Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!
Does Srila Prabhupada WANT TO REMAIN as SOLE Diksa guru in ISKCON with the Ritvik Representatives conducting FORMALITY initiation 1st and 2nd ON HIS BEHALF – Disciples so Initiated are Srila Prabhupada’s AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS?
Answer: YES
Note: here Srila Prabhupada is VERY CLEAR of his INTENTIONS for the FUTURE in his WILL:
1) Srila Prabhupada’s Will :
– “The system of management WILL CONTINUE AS IT IS NOW AND THERE IS NO NEED OF ANY CHANGE.”
– “In the event of death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said directors, a successor director or directors may be appointed by the remaining directors, PROVIDED THE NEW DIRECTOR IS MY INITIATED DISCIPLE …”
2) Srila Prabhupada the INITIATOR Guru
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
680312iv.sf Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes, I AM the spiritual master of this institution, and ALL the members of the society, they’re supposed to be MY disciples. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, and they are initiated by me spiritually. So therefore the spiritual master is called guru. That is Sanskrit language.
WHOSE disciple in ISKCON?
Note: Disciple belongs to whoever gives DISCIPLINE TO him: In ISKCON we are ALL being DISCIPLINED by Srila Prabhupada (we receive instructions (DISCIPLINE) FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books,Tapes, Cd,Mp3s. Even the most basic discipline, 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Mantra and four Regulative Principles are coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. Common sense — if you ARE being disciplined BY Srila Prabhupada then it follows you ARE Srila Prabhupada’s disciple. How can it be otherwise?
The MEANING of the word “disciple”
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”
3) DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS
Note: Disciplic SUCCESSION MEANS to SUCCEED Srila Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada is the LAST name in Disciplic Succession of ACARYAS:
SB 3.29.17 P Explanation of Devotional Service by Lord Kapila
In Bhagavad-gita, Thirteenth Chapter, it is clearly stated that one should execute devotional service and advance on the path of spiritual knowledge BY ACCEPTING THE ACARYA. Acaryopasanam: one should worship an acarya, a spiritual master who knows things as they are. THE SPIRITUAL MASTER MUST BE IN THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION FROM KRSNA. THE PREDECESSORS OF THE SPIRITUAL MASTER ARE HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER, HIS GREAT-GRAND SPIRITUAL MASTER AND SO ON, WHO FORM THE DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION OF ACARYAS.
68-02-13. Letter: Upendra
My Guru Maharaja was in the 10th generation from Lord Caitanya. We are 11th from Lord Caitanya. The disciplic sucession is as follows: 1. Sri Krishna, 2. Brahma, 3. Narada, 4. Vyasa, 5. Madhva, 6. Padmanabha, 7. Nrihari, 8. Madhava, 9. Akshobhya, 10. Jayatirtha, 11. Jnanasindhu, 12. Purusottama, 13. Vidyanidhi, 14. Rajendra, 15. Jayadharma, 16. Purusottama, 17. Vyasatirtha, 18. Laksmipati, 19. Madhavendra Puri, 20. Isvara Puri (Advaita, Nityananda) 21. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, 22. (Svarupa, Sanatana) Rupa, 23.(Jiva) Raghunath, 24. Krishna dasa, 25. Narottama, 26. Visvanatha, 27. (Baladeva.) Jagannatha, 28. (Bhaktivinode) Gaura-kisora, 29. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati, Sri Barshabhanavidayitadas, 30. SRI SRIMAD BHAKTIVEDANTA.
4) Srila Prabhupada is the ONLY PROMINENT Acarya:
Note: ONLY Srila Prabhupada will lay claim to be PROMINENT ACARYA to be FOLLOWED because of his books,cds,tapes, disciples, temples so extensive over the world for FUTURE generations OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS:
68-04-12. Letter: Dayananda
Regarding parampara system: THERE IS NOTHING TO WONDER FOR BIG GAPS. Just like we belong to the Brahma Sampradaya, so we accept it from Krishna to Brahma, Brahma to Narada, Narada to Vyasadeva, Vyasadeva to Madhva, and between Vyasadeva and Madhva there is a big gap. But it is sometimes said that Vyasadeva is still living, and Madhva was fortunate enough to meet him directly. In a similar way, we find in the Bhagavad-gita that the Gita was taught to the sungod, some millions of years ago, but Krishna has mentioned only three names in this parampara system–namely, Vivasvan, Manu, and Iksvaku; and SO THESE GAPS DO NOT HAMPER FROM UNDERSTANDING THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM. WE HAVE TO PICK UP THE PROMINENT ACARYA, AND FOLLOW FROM HIM. There are many branches also from the parampara system, and it is not possible to record all the branches and sub-branches in the disciplic succession. WE HAVE TO PICK UP FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE ACHARYA IN WHATEVER SAMPRADAYA WE BELONG TO.
5) Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT LINK:
Note: Srila Prabhupada and his words are on the transcendental platform therefore his PURPORTS to the SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM is the CURRENT LINK. AS LONG AS WE HAVE PRABHUPADA’S PURPORTS TO THE SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE WILL BE OUR CURRENT LINK BECAUSE **THE REAL** MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM ARE **HIS** PURPORTS.
SB 2.9.7 As already stated, Brahmä is the original spiritual master for the universe, and since he was initiated by the Lord Himself, the MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM IS COMING DOWN BY DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION, and in order to receive THE REAL MESSAGE OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM one should approach THE CURRENT LINK, or spiritual master, in the chain of disciplic succession.
ADI 1.35
There is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. In his absence, THEREFORE, HIS WORDS OF DIRECTION SHOULD BE THE PRIDE OF THE DISCIPLE.
Note: Srila Prabhupada is not ONLY the Founder of ISKCON but he is ALSO Founder AND the Acarya of ISKCON. There is a HYPHEN in between the Founder AND Acarya. Founder–Acarya means Srila Prabhupada is founder AND Acarya of ISKCON:
70-11-27. Letter: Jayapataka
So the account should be opened and checks should be drawn out by two signatures. One of the signatures must be mine and the other names should also be registered: Jayapataka Swami, Acyutananda Swami and Madhudvisa Swami (Founder AND Acarya, President, Secretary and Treasurer respectively.) These four names should be registered.
71-01-02. Letter: Bank of Baroda
- I was being maintained by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of which I am the Founder AND Acarya.
71-04-20. Letter: Unknown
Let me introduce myself as the FOUNDER-ACARYA of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.
74-11-13 Letter: Deoji Punja:
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated October 25, 1974 and am glad to read the contents. It is very good that you have already opened the center and registered the Society. This is good beginning. One thing, regarding registering, is that our system is to keep the name of the FOUNDER-ACARYA HIS DIVINE GRACE A. C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA ON ALL REGISTRATION DOCUMENTS, AS WELL AS ALL STATIONERY, BOOKS, AND PUBLICATIONS. So I see the name there on the letterhead in Subaladas Swami’s letter, so it is all right. In this way do it.
Note: SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL.
681002LE.SEA Lectures
Tamala Krsna: Can a Christian in this age, without a spiritual master, but by reading the Bible and following Jesus’s words, reach the…
Prabhupada: When you read Bible, you follow spiritual master. How can you say without? As soon as you read Bible, that means you are following the instruction of Lord Jesus Christ, that means you are following spiritual master. So where is the opportunity of being without spiritual master?
Madhudvisa: I was referring to a living spiritual master.
Prabhupada: Spiritual master is not the question of… SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. So your question is without spiritual master. Without spiritual master you cannot be, at any stage of your life. You may accept this spiritual master or that spiritual master. That is a different thing. But you have to accept. As you say that “by reading Bible,” when you read Bible that means you are following the spiritual master represented by some priest or some clergyman in the line of Lord Jesus Christ. So any case, you have to follow a spiritual master. There cannot be the question without spiritual master. Is that clear?
Note: Diksa is illustrated graphically here Vasudeva was on Suddha sattva platform(Maha Bhagavata –ACARYA) this is WHY from him Krsna is TRANSFERRED to Devaki. Conditioned soul can NOT transfer Krsna in another’s heart(initiation). This is HOW the relationship becomes REVEALED in dasya(servant), sahkhya(friendship) etc. You can SEE Krsna at this stage in your HEART. The process can take MANY life times:
SB 10.2.18 Prayers by the Demigods for Lord Krsna in the Womb:
Thereafter, accompanied by plenary expansions, the fully opulent Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-auspicious for the entire universe, was transferred from the mind of Vasudeva to the mind of Devaki. Devaki, having thus been initiated by Vasudeva, became beautiful by carrying Lord Krsna, the original consciousness for everyone, the cause of all causes, within the core of her heart, just as the east becomes beautiful by carrying the rising moon.
PURPORT: As indicated here by the word manastah, the Supreme Personality of Godhead was transferred from the core of Vasudeva’s mind or heart to the core of the heart of Devaki. We should note carefully that the Lord was transferred to Devaki not by the ordinary way for a human being, but by diksa, initiation. Thus the importance of initiation is mentioned here. Unless one is initiated by the right person, who always carries within his heart the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one cannot acquire the power to carry the Supreme Godhead within the core of one’s own heart.
Further details:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
Note: July 9th 1977 Order confirms RITVIK REPRESENTATIVE:
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
Similarly, a disciple’s qualifications must be observed by the spiritual master before he is accepted as a disciple. In our Krsna consciousness movement, the requirement is that one must be prepared to give up the four pillars of sinful life-illicit sex, meat-eating, intoxication and gambling. In Western countries especially, we first observe whether a potential disciple is prepared to follow the regulative principles. Then he is given the name of a Vaisnava servant and initiated to chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, at least sixteen rounds daily. In this way the disciple renders devotional service under the guidance of the spiritual master OR HIS REPRESENTATIVE FOR AT LEAST SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR. He is then recommended for a second initiation, during which a sacred thread is offered and the disciple is accepted as a bona fide brahmana.
Letter to: All G.B.C., All Temple Presidents
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Vrindaban
9 July, 1977
To All G.B.C., and Temple Presidents
Dear Maharajas and Prabhus,
Please accept my humble obeisances at your feet. Recently when all of the GBC members were with His Divine Grace in Vrndavana, Srila Prabhupada indicated that soon He would appoint SOME OF HIS SENIOR DISCIPLES TO ACT AS “RITVIK–REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ACARYA, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PERFORMING INITIATIONS, BOTH FIRST INITIATION AND SECOND INITIATION. His Divine Grace has so far given a list of eleven disciples who will act in that capacity:
His Holiness Kirtanananda Swami
His Holiness Satsvarupa dasa Gosvami
His Holiness Jayapataka Swami
His Holiness Tamala Krsna Gosvami
His Holiness Hrdayananda Gosvami
His Holiness Bhavananda Gosvami
His Holiness Hamsaduta Swami
His Holiness Ramesvara Swami
His Holiness Harikesa Swami
His Grace Bhagavan dasa Adhikari
His Grace Jayatirtha dasa Adhikari
In the past Temple Presidents have written to Srila Prabhupada recommending a particular devotee’s initiation. Now that Srila Prabhupada has named these representatives, Temple Presidents may henceforward send recommendation for first and second initiation to whichever of these eleven REPRESENTATIVES ARE NEAREST THEIR TEMPLE. After considering the recommendation, THESE REPRESENTATIVES MAY ACCEPT THE DEVOTEE AS AN INITIATED DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA BY GIVING A SPIRITUAL NAME, OR IN THE CASE OF SECOND INITIATION, BY CHANTING ON THE GAYATRI THREAD, JUST AS SRILA PRABHUPADA HAS DONE. THE NEWLY INITIATED DEVOTEES ARE DISCIPLES OF HIS DIVINE GRACE A.C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPAD, THE ABOVE ELEVEN SENIOR DEVOTEES ACTING AS HIS REPRESENTATIVE. After the Temple President receives a letter from these REPRESENTATIVES giving the spiritual name or the thread, he can perform the fire yajna in the temple as was being done before. The name of a newly initiated disciple should be sent by THE REPRESENTATIVE who has accepted him or her to Srila Prabhupada, to be included in His Divine Grace’s “Initiated Disciples” book.
Hoping this finds you all well.
Your servant,
Approved: Tamala Krsna Gosvami
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Secretary to Srila Prabhupada
[Srila Prabhupada’s signature appears on the original]
Note: “Initiated Disciples” books was actually MAINTAINED BY Srila Prabhupada’s SECRETARY Tamala Krsna Gosvami who was the DEVIANT who later DEFIED and BETRAYED Srila Prabhupada:
770707rc.vrn Conversations
Tamala Krsna: These men, they can also do second initiation. So there’s no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. ANYBODY WHO GIVES INITIATION IS DOING SO ON YOUR BEHALF.
Prabhupada: YES.
Tamala Krsna: YOU KNOW THAT BOOK I’M MAINTAINING OF ALL OF YOUR DISCIPLES’ NAMES? Should I continue that?
Prabhupada: Hm.
Note: some people raise some objections as to there can be many Acaryas in the future in ISKCON who can give diksa etc etc etc .
1) Sorry – NO VACANCY! HopeFOOLS wanabe “acaryas” can open ANOTHER SEPARATE branch as Srila Prabhupada is ALREADY ISKCON Founder AND Acarya. Position is FILLED. In ALL Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS FRONT COVERS Srila Prabhupada will REMAIN THE UNDISPUTED FOUNDER-ACARYA OF ISKCON.
2) Only the PROMINENT Acarya is ACCEPTED TO BE FOLLOWED and Srila Prabhupada is STILL the PROMINENT Acarya. And will REMAIN PROMINENT Acarya as long as HIS BOOKS EXIST on this planet.
3) It is not so cheap:
SB 3.15.24 P Description of the Kingdom of God
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD IN ONE LIFE, BUT IN THE HUMAN FORM ONE SHOULD AT LEAST UNDERSTAND THE GOAL OF LIFE AND BEGIN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. It is said that the human form is a great boon because it is the most suitable boat for crossing over the nescience ocean. The spiritual master is considered to be the most able captain in that boat, and the information from the scriptures is the favorable wind for floating over the ocean of nescience. The human being who does not take advantage of all these facilities in this life is committing suicide. Therefore one who does not begin Krsna consciousness in the human form of life loses his life to the influence of the illusory energy. Brahma regrets the situation of such a human being.
Further readings:
Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
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Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
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Physically Present Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31641
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31834
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WHEN I order
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2603.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31480
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43453#more-43453
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2265.htm
Mahesh Raja Prabhu says: Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!
Srila Prabhupada ( tri-kal-jna ) reminds his real followers:
“Just to cheat some innocent people, one makes a show of advanced spiritual life and becomes known as a SADHU, MAHATMA or RELIGIOUS PERSON.”
“According to their karma, all living entities are wandering throughout the entire universe. Some of them are being elevated to the upper planetary systems, and some are going down into the lower planetary systems. Out of many millions of wandering living entities, one who is very fortunate gets an opportunity to associate with a bona fide spiritual master by the grace of Kṛṣṇa. By the mercy of both Kṛṣṇa and the spiritual master, such a person receives the seed of the creeper of devotional service.
Madhya 19.151
One who has not listened carefully to the instructions of the spiritual master is unfit to chant or preach the cult of devotional service. One has to water the bhakti-latā-bīja after receiving instructions from the spiritual master.
Madhya 19..152.purport
The devotee must therefore be very careful not to commit offenses against the spiritual master. As soon as one is deviated from the spiritual master, the uprooting of the bhakti-latā begins, and gradually all the leaves dry up.
Madhya 19.156. purport
Sometimes these unwanted creepers look exactly like the bhakti-latā creeper. They appear to be of the same size and the same species when they are packed together with the bhakti-latā creeper, but in spite of this, the creepers are called upaśākhā. A pure devotee can distinguish between the bhakti-latācreeper and a mundane creeper, and he is very alert to distinguish them and keep them separate.
Madhya 19.159.purport
“If one does not distinguish between the bhakti-latā creeper and the other creepers, the sprinkling of water is misused because the other creepers are nourished while the bhakti-latā creeper is curtailed.
Madhya 19.160
Just to cheat some innocent people, one makes a show of advanced spiritual life and becomes known as a SADHU, MAHATMA or RELIGIOUS PERSON. All this means that the SO-CALLED DEVOTEE has become victimized by all these unwanted creepers and that the real creeper of bhakti-latā-bīja has been stunted.
Madhya.19.160 purport
There is a part of the purport SB 2:9,44 where a description of the bona fide spiritual master is given “One who is now the disciple is the next spiritual master. And one cannot be a bona fide and authorized spiritual master unless one has been strictly obedient to his spiritual master ,…and then later in purport” One should not think of Brahmaji as a dead great grandfather , as we have experience on this planet..He is the oldest great ,grandfather and he is still living, and Narada is still living.”
A devotee came to my house recently and explained that Devotees in Mississippi began the rtvik doctrine ..I explained that the idea came mostly from our 1970’s history and July 9th letter etc.So this idea that Prabhupada gradually used the rtvik program starting about 1970 and gradually gave devotees more responsibilities is attempted to be hidden…Our history is told with deceitfulness to hide Prabhupada ‘s using time,place and circumstances…And surely the July 9th letter is never shown to new devotees who are trying to mislead to follow a “living guru: idea…Gradually the result of enlightening Vaisnavas over the internet is becoming successful. A few days ago the video with Aindra is so powerful because of Aindra’s fame and martyr status.
Thanks Dharma Prabhu, even Srila Sridhar Swami used and glorified the term ritvik in his Declaration of Succession. He refers there to Srila Prabhupada also as ‘Swami Maharaj’
Public Declaration
by Srila Bhakti Rakshak Sridhar Dev-Goswami Maharaj
[from a recording on Gaura Purnima, 26th March, 1986]
According to the desire of my Divine Master, I have been maintaining this Disciplic Succession but it is no longer possible for me, as I am now too old and an invalid. You all know from long ago I have chosen Sriman Bhakti Sundar Govinda Maharaj and I have given him sannyasa. All my Vaishnava Godbrothers are very affectionate towards him and it is also their desire to give him this position. I have previously given to him the charge of the Math and now I am giving him the full responsibility of giving Harinam, diksha, sannyasa, etc., as an Acharya of this Math on behalf of myself.
Those who have any regard for me should give this respect and position to Govinda Maharaj as my successor. As much as you have faith in my sincerity, then with all sincerity I believe that he has got the capacity of rendering service in this way. With this I transfer these beads and from now he will initiate on my behalf as ritvik. The ritvik system is already involved both here and also in the foreign land. The ritvik is the representative. So if you want to take from me, and you take by his hands, then it will be as well and as good as taking from me.
In the Mahamandala, Sagar Maharaj and many others are also ritvik of Swami Maharaj and also myself. They may do so, but in this Math and in any Math under this Math, he will be the representative. If anyone cannot accept this, he may leave the Math rather than stay here and disturb the peace of the Math. With all my sincerity and good feelings to Guru-Gauranga, to the Vaishnavas and the Acharyas, Mahaprabhu, Pancha-Tattva, Radha-Govinda and Their Parshadas, with all my sincere prayers to Them, henceforth he will represent me in this affair beginning from today’s function.
Now I shall go from here and he will do the necessary. On my behalf, he will give Harinama, diksha, sannyasa, and everything.
Prabhu, could you please post the link to the video you refer to.
Hare Krsna.
Yhs, Bal.
http://www.scsmath.com/docs/successor.html
Although there is some validation of the Ritvik process here, in terms of our sampradaya this does not validate Sridhar Maharaja’s position of ”Acharya” and as such does not validate Govinda Maharaja’s position as Ritvik. The fact that Srila Prabhupada instructed that he chose the said eleven sanyassis as Ritvik representatives is validation enough as he is the only representative of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Maharaja and the sole Acharya in our disciplic succession.
So although I accept that the process of ritvik is not uncommon in our sampradaya, Sridhar Maharaja’s affirmation of this process (although valid in itself) is tinged with the fact that his own position (and that of Govinda Maharaja) is itself invalid for the simple fact that Sridhar Maharaja was NOT the chosen successor of Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur.
Even if the Ritvik process (for the sake of argument) had NEVER been part of our Sampradaya and had NEVER been used before, Srila Prabhupada’s direction for its use is ABSOLUTE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED AS HE IS THE SOLE ACHARYA AND DIKSA GURU OF OUR SAMPRADAYA AND IS AUTHORIZED BY THE LORD TO MAKE SUCH ADJUSTMENTS.
I thank all the vaisnavas above for their points and comment also and find them agreeable.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Balaram das:….even Srila Sridhar Swami used and glorified the term ritvik in his Declaration of Succession. He refers there to Srila Prabhupada also as ‘Swami Maharaj’
Mahesh: Balarama Prabhu, just to point out. The word “Srila” can not refer to an ordinary person. Sridhar Maharaja was a CONDITIONED soul. He went against his guru Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. There is NO WAY Sridhar Maharaja a CONDITIONED soul who was SEVERE OFFENDER to Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and DISOBEYED him can be INVESTED WITH BOTH BEAUTY AND THE POWER TO UNDERSTAND THE LILA OF KRSNA. There was NO REALIZATION of Krsna Lila. Hence, he was NOT a Diksa Guru. He was a CHEATER in the guise of Diksa Guru. In his books Sridar Maharaja is IMPERSONAL In regards to Krsna’s NAME. If you compare Srila Prabhupada he has EVERY PAGE Krsna, Krsna, Krsna,Krsna,Krsna,Krsna,Krsna. Krsna on it. BUT Sridhar Maharaja is IMPERSONAL. You hardly find him addressing “Krsna” name in his books. Sridhar Maharaj’s conclusion as with his Gaudya Math folks is the Jiva soul came from Brahmajyoti NOT Vaikuntha or Goloka that Srila Prabhupada states and teaches us. This means Sridhar Maharaj had NO REALIZATION. Simply parroting the Sanskrit does NOT make one a REALIZED soul and THAT is what Sridhar Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja were doing PARROTING Sanskrit verses and FOOLING others. THEY HAD ZERO REALIZATION. THAT is the difference. Srila Prabhupada was REALIZED Maha- Bhagavata he COULD **SEE** VAIKUNTHA,GOLOKA,KRSNA talk with Krsna there was ACTUAL COMMUNICATION with Krsna hence, you COULD tell from Srila Prabhupada’s PURPORTS his REALIZATIONS. Srila Prabhupada IS the Diksa guru. Others are CONDITIONED SOUL CHEATERS.
731221mw.la Conversations
Guest (1): Prabhupada, what is the meaning of the word Srila?
Prabhupada: Srila is… just like we say “Sri” to the ordinary person. And Srila to very respectable person.
Guest (1): La.
Prabhupada: La, yes. Sri means beauty, and la means lila. SO “ONE WHO IS INVESTED WITH BOTH BEAUTY AND THE POWER TO UNDERSTAND THE LILA OF KRSNA.”
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Here is Sridhar Maharaja’s character explanation by Srila Prabhupada:
Note: “HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA.”
Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=4118#comment-31178
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Note: Prabhupada: SO BOTH OF THEM ARE SEVERE OFFENDERS
770422r3.bom Conversations
Prabhupada: As far as possible, I have tried to present. In one place I have criticized my Godbrothers.
Tamala Krsna: Last night?
Prabhupada: No, no, in Caitanya-caritamrta.
Tamala Krsna: Oh, yeah, at the end in one line. We were… When we read that, it was actually relishable, very personal.
Prabhupada: Sridhara Maharaja is little…
Tamala Krsna: He read it?
Prabhupada: I think so.
Tamala Krsna: Did he make any comment?
Prabhupada: He cannot make any comment. These are facts. Two parties there were. One party, to use guru as their instrument for self-aggrandizement, AND ANOTHER PARTY LEFT GURU. SO BOTH OF THEM ARE OFFENDERS. This Kunja Babu, this Tirtha Maharaja’s party, he wanted to enjoy senses through guru. And the Bagh Bazaar party, they left.
Tamala Krsna: Vasudeva.
Prabhupada: SO BOTH OF THEM ARE SEVERE OFFENDERS.
Tamala Krsna: What about Sridhara Maharaja?
Prabhupada: SRIDHARA MAHARAJA BELONGED TO THE BAGH BAZAAR PARTY. And I was living aloof. My Guru Maharaja approved. He said, “It is better that he is aloof from them.”
Note: Although Sridhar Maharaja came in DIRECT touch with TWO Mahabhagavatas he was still VERY DISRESPECTFUL towards them because of HIS BIG EGO. The reason he has accepted the Ritvik system in HIS CAMP is he considered HIMSELF the worshipable ACARYA. He just IMITATED Srila Prabhupada.
Sridhar Maharaj and his camp NEVER addressed Srila Prabhupada in PROPER Vaisnava etiquette as “Srila Prabhupada” rather they called him “Swami Maharaj” this is way of belittling our Srila Prabhupada to a LOWER status. They are DECEITFUL HYPOCRITES.
Srila Prabhupada WARNED his disciples against his CONDITIONED soul wannabe Acarya God
brothers:
SPL Rupanuga, April 28, 1974.
“You are right about Sridhara Maharaja’s genuineness. But in my opinion he is the best of the lot. He is my old friend, AT LEAST HE EXECUTES THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. I do not wish to discuss about activities of my Godbrothers but it is a fact they have no life for preaching work. All are satisfied with a place for residence in the name of a temple, they engage disciples to get foodstuff by transcendental devices and eat and sleep. They have no idea or brain how to broadcast the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu.”
My Guru Maharaja used to lament many times for this reason and he thought if one man at least had understood the principle of preaching then his mission would achieve success. In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT SRIDHARA MAHARAJA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR *DISOBEYING* THIS ORDER OF GURU MAHARAJA, AND HE AND OTHERS WHO ARE ALREADY DEAD UNNECESSARILY THOUGHT THAT THERE MUST BE ONE ACARYA. If Guru Maharaja could have seen someone who was qualified at that time to be acarya he would have mentioned. Because on the night before he passed away he talked of so many things, but never mentioned an acarya. His idea was acarya was not to be nominated amongst the governing body. He said openly you make a GBC and conduct the mission. So his idea was amongst the members of GBC who would come out successful and self effulgent acarya would be automatically selected. SO SRIDHARA MAHARAJA AND HIS TWO ASSOCIATE GENTLEMEN UNAUTHORIZEDLY SELECTED ONE ACARYA AND LATER IT PROVED A FAILURE. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM. This attempt was made previously by them, especially Madhava Maharaja and Tirtha Maharaja and Bon Maharaja but somehow or other I saved the situation. This is going on. WE SHALL BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THEM AND NOT MIX WITH THEM. THIS IS MY INSTRUCTION TO YOU ALL. THEY CANNOT HELP US IN OUR MOVEMENT, BUT THEY ARE VERY COMPETENT TO HARM OUR NATURAL PROGRESS. SO WE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THEM.”
Note: Unfortunately the disciples were NOT going to listen to Srila Prabhupada. They wanted to be WORSHIPPED as Diksa gurus with FREE SLAVES(disciples),MONEY, POWER, POSITIONS,PROPERTIES. They USURPED Srila Prabhupada’s position FOR THEMSELVES. In 1978 Tamala Krsna, Jayapataka, Satsvarupa, Jayadvaita, and the GBC gang they went to “Senior” devotee Sridhar Maharaja for “advise” on how to be Diksa guru. There were TWO meetings March 20th and March 26 in 1978. In the First meeting 20th March 1978 consisted of Satsvarupa, Jayapataka,Tamal Krsna,Kirtanandana,Hamsudatta,Harikesa,Hari Sauri,Bhagavana das,Jayatirtha das,Rupanuga das. In the 2nd meeting March 26 1978 consisted of Satsvarupa, Jayadvaita,Pradyumna,Svarupa Damodara, Subhaga das. The questions were STAGED. You can TELL HOW they WANTED Sridhar Maharja to give them sanction to be Diksa Guru. This was done in 1978 . This was AFTER giving POISON to Srila Prabhupada in 1977. They USED Sridhar Maharaja as a TOOL to get Diksa guru RUBBER STAMP from him so that the ordinary devotees would NOT question this. VERY VERY VERY CUNNING MANIPULATIVE TRICK. This was because devotees considered Sridhar Maharaja as a SENIOR God brother in good standing. They DUPED the devotees. They wanted to FOOL the devotees by getting AUTHORIZATION of their GURUSHIP CERTIFICATES from the MOUTH of Sridhar Maharaja. Tamala Gunda and company were giving EXCUSES that Srila Prabhupada has asked the disciples to go to Sridhar Maharaja for any advise. This is just BOGUS MADE-UP PROPAGANDA. The FACT is they WANTED to be RUBBER STAMPED as Diksa gurus through the MOUTH of SENIOR figure: Sridhar Maharaja.
VERY Carefully Study the DATE order:
Srila Prabhupada calls Sridhar Maharaja as SEVER OFFENDER in ***APRIL 1977*** (770422r3.bom ) And in SPL Rupanuga, ***APRIL 28, 1974*** Srila Prabhupada tells them SRIDHARA MAHARAJA AND HIS TWO ASSOCIATE GENTLEMEN UNAUTHORIZEDLY SELECTED ONE ACARYA AND LATER IT PROVED A FAILURE. There is just NO WAY that Srila Prabhupada would have asked Tamal Krsna and Company to go to Sridhar Maharaj for “advise” after November 1977. On the CONTRARY Srila Prabhuapada’s advise is:
SPL Rupanuga, ***APRIL 28, 1974***
THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM.
WE SHALL BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THEM AND NOT MIX WITH THEM. THIS IS MY INSTRUCTION TO YOU ALL. THEY CANNOT HELP US IN OUR MOVEMENT, BUT THEY ARE VERY COMPETENT TO HARM OUR NATURAL PROGRESS. SO WE MUST BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THEM.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Room Conversation, **January 19, 1976**, Mayapur
Bhavananda: “People are attracted by the Westerners coming to the matha. So if we’re up at that matha, any of us, and then they say, “Just see.” They say in Bengali, “Just see. They are coming. To see our guru maharaja, they are coming.”
Prabhupada: THAT WAS THE POLICY OF MADHAVA MAHARAJA AND SRIDHARA MAHARAJA, THAT “ALTHOUGH BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI IS PROPAGATING THROUGHOUT, HE IS SUBORDINATE TO US, UNDER OUR INSTRUCTION.” SO ALL THESE THREE.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Room Conversation, February 3, 1976, Mayapur
Prabhupada: “At least historically it be proved. (break) …cause of envy of my Godbrothers. I was known. Although they knew that Prabhupada liked me very much, because I am grhastha, I was known as paca-grhastha. PACA-GRHASTHA MEANS A ROTTEN GRHASTHA. And now they say, “This grhastha has come out more than us? What is this?” (break) Sridhara Maharaja’s chief disciple…?
Bhavananda: Gaura.
Prabhupada: HE ALWAYS USED TO SAY TO SRIDHARA MAHARAJA THAT “YOU ARE SEEING ABHAY BABU AS GRHASTHA, BUT HE IS MORE THAN MANY YOGIS.” HE WAS TELLING.”
Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Visvakarma, **November 09, 1975**
“Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated September 3, 1975 with the enclosed statement about Van Maharaja. So I have now issued orders that ALL my disciples should AVOID ALL OF MY GODBROTHERS. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY DEALINGS WITH THEM NOR EVEN CORRESPONDENCE, NOR SHOULD THEY GIVE THEM ANY OF MY BOOKS OR SHOULD THEY PURCHASE ANY OF THEIR BOOKS, NEITHER SHOULD YOU VISIT ANY OF THEIR TEMPLES. PLEASE AVOID THEM.
Hare Krsna Mahesh Raja prabhu,
Thank you for pointing out the misuse of the exalted term ‘Srila’ in conjunction with Sridar Swami and I apologize for this error. I was in no way equating the divine position of HDG Srila Prabhupada with his conditioned soul godbrother. I am fully aware of all your references and still have my original copy of Srila Prabhupada’s 1974 letter to Rupanuga das, which I received that year and have used and quoted many times.
Srila Prabhupada also told us not to associate with his godbrothers, but also not to criticize them.
I was in Sridham Mayapur for the 1974 festival when the devotees were invited by Sridhar swami to visit the Caitanya Sarasvat Math for prasadam.
This invite was sanctioned by Srila Prabhupada, however later on the same day Madhudvisa das (then swami & GBC) came to me and said that Srila Prabhupada was in a rage when he heard how the GM speakers had denigrated his preaching mission by subtly referring to so many ‘low class’ western devotees being made. Srila Prabhupada had called a meeting with all the GBC & sannyasis and blasted them for NOT defending him and his mission.
To the best of my understanding, this 1974 reply letter to Rupanuga das was penned shortly after the above episode which is still clearly etched in my mind 41 years later.
My reply to Dharma prabhu was just to confirm the use of the ritvik term, even in recent Vaisnava history, but in no way put Sridhar Swami on the most exalted position of saktyavesa avatar.
Once again regret and apologize for my foolishness in using that term inappropriately.
Yhs,
Balaram das.
Someone recently wrote that the Ritviks base everything on just one letter from Prabhupada, and in that way they were dismissing the Ritvik idea for lack of more evidence.
So I’m thinking if that one letter is so inconsequential then how come myself, (along with all my contemporaries) were never shown said letter in all the time we were in Iskcon? Is this so called inconsequential letter shared freely within Iskcon today? Are newcomers shown this letter before they’re told to take an Iskcon Guru? If there is nothing in this letter to prove His Divine Grace wanted a system other than the one the GBC pushes on newcomers then surely there would be nothing to hide, and the letter, (along with any other supporting documents) would be freely available and open for public discussion within Iskcon without fear of consequence? After all we are told everything else Srila Prabhupada wrote or spoke is of utmost importance and worthy of deep and thoughtful study and discussion,… so why not this letter too?
Generally we see in the world that leaders withhold information and suppress open, free talks out of fear, fear of what they stand to loose.
Surya Narayana das – New Zealand.
Dear Surya Narayana Prabhu,
Rascals, demons and fools will say ANYTHING to avoid following Srila Prabhupada’s instructions because they want to continue with their business of ‘plundering and pillaging’. The Ritvik order is only one of a myriad of instructions they have IGNORED OR DISCARDED, that is why ISKCON is now only made up of TYRANTS AND WEAKLINGS (who don’t have the gonads or the brains to do anything about it).
Most of ISKCON is made up of very young people who haven’t got a clue because they are being brainwashed by these ”older” arse-lickers of the GBC who have just one thing in mind and that is to keep their position as PARASITES AND FLUNKY’S.
They are made of the same stuff as the politicians of the world who ‘play’ an unsuspecting world population of dumb fools to create more and more wealth for bankers, multinational corporations and their own circle of cronies by the old method of ‘divide and conquer’.
FISKCON “leaders” are just UNWANTED GUESTS, that’s all! so if they continue to feed them, and continue to heed them they won’t go away!
The proof of the pudding is in the eating! All of ‘the evidence’ is in Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL books and when those instructions are followed ONLY THEN THE PROOF BECOMES MANIFEST. We shouldn’t waste our time trying to ”analyze” statements made by by nitwits and brain-dead morons who make it their business to deny the words, directions and instructions of our sole Diksa Guru and Acharya A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja Prabhupada.
Your humble servant in the service of Srila Prabhupada.
Sudarsana
dharma: And surely the July 9th letter is never shown to new devotees who are trying to mislead to follow a “living guru: idea…Gradually the result of enlightening Vaisnavas over the internet is becoming successful.
Mahesh: July 9th 1977 letter the Anti Ritvik CROOKS still want to HIDE – it is a fact! The reason is very simple. That—- is no ordinary letter. That IS Srila Prabhupada——- as his instructions are non-different:
THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF
Adi 1.35 The Spiritual Masters
The SERVICE of the spiritual master IS ESSENTIAL. IF THERE IS NO CHANCE TO SERVE THE SPIRITUAL MASTER DIRECTLY, A DEVOTEE SHOULD SERVE HIM BY REMEMBERING HIS INSTRUCTIONS. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SPIRITUAL MASTER’S INSTRUCTIONS AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER HIMSELF. IN HIS ABSENCE, THEREFORE, HIS WORDS OF DIRECTION SHOULD BE THE PRIDE OF THE DISCIPLE.
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Note:They will NEVER be able to defeat Srila Prabhupada. The Anti Ritviks are like clouds covering the Srila Prabhupada sun. Sometimes sun is covered by the clouds but even though the clouds cover the sun you can still perceive the presence of the sun due to its light. You can tell it is day time. Take ANY SINCERE soul when you show him the Ritvik July 9th 1977 letter they ACCEPT it. And—they CAN understand that these Anti Ritvik goons want to replace Srila Prabhupada with themselves.
If a SINCERE person is shown the July 9th 1977 Ritvik letter Srila Prabhupada will give him that understanding from WITHIN his heart that Srila Prabhupada IS the CURRENT Diksa guru of ISKCON:
SB 1.7.22 P The Son of Drona Punished
The spiritual master, BY HIS WORDS, CAN PENETRATE INTO THE HEART OF THE SUFFERING PERSON AND INJECT KNOWLEDGE TRANSCENDENTAL, which alone can extinguish the fire of material existence.
710805pc.lon Conversations
Prabhupada: Of course, to search out guru is very nice. But if you want a cheap guru or if you want to be cheated, then there will be many cheater gurus. BUT IF YOU ARE SINCERE, THEN YOU’LL HAVE SINCERE GURU.