KB 82 Lord Krsna and Balarama Meet the Inhabitants of Vrndavana
The WHOLE philosophy is considered on the basis of inconceivable, SIMULTANEOUS ONENESS AND DIFFERENCE.
The whole philosophy is acintya bedabeda tattva ie. SIMULTANEOUSLY inconceviable oness and difference.
When Srila Prabhupada is indicating the role of Brahma as a demigod he is classified as conditioned by material desire to be controller of the universe. Otherwise he is classified as a pure devotee.
SB 2.9.7 P
The post of Brahma to officiate in the creation of the universe is offered to the MOST PURE living being, and unless one is so qualified one cannot expect to be treated like Brahmaji directly.
SB 3.9.8
A PURE DEVOTEE OF THE LORD LIKE BRAHMA and persons in his disciplic succession are always unhappy to see the perplexities of the conditioned souls, who are suffering the onslaughts of the threefold miseries which pertain to the body and mind, to the disturbances of material nature, and to many other such material disadvantages.
SB 3.9.39 P
A PURE DEVOTEE OF THE LORD LIKE BRAHMA and those in his line of disciplic succession always desire that the Lord be known all over the universe by each and every one of the living entities.
681219BG.LA Lectures
Tamala Krsna: I’ve always been confused as to… It says here that a pure devotee like Haridasa Thakura would not fall victim to Mayadevi’s temptations, but even Lord Brahma, Lord Siva, might fall victim. I always thought that they were pure devotees of the Lord.
Prabhupada: No. THEY ARE PURE DEVOTEES, BUT THEY ARE GUNAVATARA. Just like Lord Brahma is the supreme personality within this material universe. He’s the father of all living entities. So they are… Of course, if we very scrutinizingly study, Haridasa Thakura is, in devotional service, in greater position than Brahma. Although he is considered the incarnation of Brahma, Brahma Haridasa. So we should not be disturbed when we see Lord Brahma and Lord Siva is captivated in that way. We should take this instruction, that is Lord Brahma, Lord Siva becomes victim of maya sometimes, what to speak of us? Therefore we shall be very, very careful. There is chance of falldown even in the status of Brahma and Siva, what to speak of ordinary persons. Therefore we should be very strongly inclined to Krsna consciousness like Haridasa Thakura. Then we shall be able very easily to overcome the allurement of maya. That is to be understood. Not that “Brahma showed that,” what is called, “weakness. He is weak or he is less.” No. That is for our instruction. Yes. Or first of all, his. Yes.
710116SB.ALL Lectures
Prabhupada: THE DEMIGODS ARE NOT PURE DEVOTEES. THEY ARE DEVOTEES. JUST LIKE BRAHMA IS THE BEST OF THE DEMIGODS BUT HE HAS A MATERIAL DESIRE THAT “I SHALL BE THE CONTROLLER OF THE UNIVERSE.” THEREFORE HE IS NOT A PURE DEVOTEE. Bhaktivinoda Thakura has said, kita janma hau, jatha tua dasa, bahir-mukha brahma-janme, nahi mora asa. Is not that? So a pure devotee does not try to become a Brahma also, what to speak of other demigods, because anyone within this material world, he has got some material desire, anyone. Therefore he is not liberated. He is conditioned. Only the pure devotee who is trying to satisfy Krsna by all his activities, he is liberated.
69-03-23. Letter: Himavati
Regarding your question about Lord Siva and Thakura Haridasa, and their different response to sex agitation: This does not mean that Lord Siva has become degraded from the devotional platform. A devotee even if he is sometimes found that he is attracted by sex life, that does not mean he is degraded. That is by chance. Because Lord Siva is Grhastha, so by his past habits if he appeared to have been attracted by sex life, that does not mean he has been degraded from his position. You should never think of any devotee like that. There are many other stories also, BUT SUCH APPARENT falling is without any influence to very very advanced devotees. A neophyte should always be careful. One should not discuss about such great devotees’ apparent fall-down. Just like one should not discuss about the sun who evaporates urine from the earth; it is possible for the sun to do it, and still remain the sun, but for ordinary man if he lives in a filthy place he will be infected. So Lord Siva or Lord Brahma, they are highly elevated devotees, and we should not try to criticize about their behavior even though it appears against the rules. These things are very nicely explained in Srimad-Bhagavatam in course of discussion between Maharaja Pariksit and Sukadeva Goswami, in the 10th canto. Your next question: In regard to Kardama Muni, how can a pure devotee become passionate for any amount of agitation? THAT IS NOT PASSION. One should not be impotent also. One should have full potency, to beget children, but such sex life should be under his full control. PASSION IS A DIFFERENT THING. PASSION MAKES ONE BLIND. And a devotee is full controller; that is the difference. THE EXAMPLE IS GIVEN OF THE TORTOISE; AS SOON AS HE LIKES HE DISCLOSES HIS SENSES, AND WHEN HE LIKES HE PULLS THEM WITHIN. THAT IS THE POSITION OF A PURE DEVOTEE. He can wind up the senses, whenever he likes and he can exhibit the senses whenever he likes. On the whole, the senses are under his control. He is not under the control of the senses as are the ordinary persons.
73-05-09. Letter: Caturbhuja
Your nest question: “The Bhagavad-gita says that Lord Brahma is a conditioned soul. Then how was it possible for him to impart the Vedas to a non-conditioned soul–Narada Muni?” SO, LORD BRAHMA IS A CONDITIONED SOUL MEANS THAT DUE TO HIS DESIRE TO BECOME THE CREATOR OF THE MATERIAL MANIFESTATION HE HAD TO TAKE BIRTH WITHIN THE MATERIAL WORLD. But although he WAS conditioned by such desire, still HE IS a great devotee of Lord Krsna. HE HAS WRITTEN BRAHMA-SAMHITA WHICH IS PURE VAISNAVA LITERATURE DESCRIBING THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD. Lord Brahma was the first created being within the universe and the first spiritual master, as he received knowledge from within his heart from Lord Krsna. Narada appeared as the son of Brahma and therefore he had to accept Lord Brahma as his spiritual master.
Note: the reason that Lord Brahma could write Brahma-samhita (PURE vaisnava literature) is because he was able to VISUALISE the spiritual world through transcendental realization.
Adi 1.50 The Spiritual Masters
The English maxim that God helps those who help themselves is also applicable in the transcendental realm. There are many instances in revealed scriptures of the Personality of Godhead’s acting as the spiritual master from within. He was the spiritual master who instructed Brahma, the original living being in the cosmic creation. When Brahma was first created, he could not apply his creative energy to arrange the cosmic situation. At first there was only sound, vibrating the word tapa, which indicates the acceptance of hardships for spiritual realization. Refraining from sensual enjoyment, one should voluntarily accept all sorts of difficulty for spiritual realization. This is called tapasya. An enjoyer of the senses can never realize God, godliness or the science of theistic knowledge. THUS WHEN BRAHMA, INITIATED BY SRI KRSNA BY THE SOUND VIBRATION TAPA, ENGAGED HIMSELF IN ACTS OF AUSTERITY, BY THE PLEASURE OF VISNU HE WAS ABLE TO VISUALIZE THE TRANSCENDENTAL WORLD, SRI VAIKUNTHA, THROUGH TRANSCENDENTAL REALIZATION. Modern science can communicate using material discoveries such as radio, television and computers, but the science invoked by the austerities of Sri Brahma, the original father of mankind, was still more subtle. In time, material scientists may also know how we can communicate with the Vaikuntha world. Lord Brahma inquired about the potency of the Supreme Lord, and the Personality of Godhead answered his inquiry in the following six consecutive statements. These instructions, which are reproduced in Srimad-Bhagavatam (2.9.31-36), were imparted by the Personality of Godhead, acting as the supreme spiritual master.
Note: BRAHMA AS THE ACARYA OF OUR DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION CANNOT FALL DOWN THIS FALL DOWN OCCURRED WHEN HE WAS NOT THE ACARYA(HE WAS BLESSED BY THE LORD–“HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA” WHEN HE HEARD SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM FROM THE LORD).
SB 3.12.28
THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORTALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS HEARD TO HAVE OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES.
750511mw.per Conversations
Devotee (1): So how is it that Lord Brahma is a pure devotee…
Prabhupada: NO, HE IS NOT PURE DEVOTEE.
Devotee (1): He’s not.
Prabhupada: ANYONE WHO IS IN THE MATERIAL WORLD, HE IS NOT PURE DEVOTEE. HE HAS TO BECOME A PURE DEVOTEE. BUT THERE ARE PURE DEVOTEES. THEY COME. THEY ARE NOT SUBJECTED TO ALL THIS. THEY COME FOR THE DELIVERANCE OF THE FALLEN SOULS. THEY ARE ABOVE LORD BRAHMA, LORD SIVA.
Devotee (2): So, Srila Prabhupada, isn’t Lord Brahma the original spiritual master in our sampradaya?
Prabhupada: Yes. But we should take that IT WAS HIS LILA TO SHOW THAT “EVEN I AM SUBJECTED. HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD TAKE RISK HERE.” We should take like that because he’s our guru. We should not take him that he was subjected to lusty desires, but he made a show that “Even I am also subjected.” And he gave up this, changed the body for that. Therefore we should not observe if there is a show of fault of the guru. We should take a different way. Tejiyasam na dosaya. Just like the sun is soaking water from urine, but we should not imitate that, that “We also, let us take urine.” Then you’ll die. He can do so. Tejiyasam na dosaya. The sun can do that. Still he is not affected. Everyone knows the sun soaks water from the urine. But should you imitate that: “Oh, let me take urine”? No. It is not for you. That is advised. Isvaranam, those who are isvaras, the controllers, there is no fault. You should not imitate them; simply you should imitate their instruction. Not that their activities which we may not understand, why he is doing that.
68-07-09. Letter: Jadurani
Your questions about Lord Brahma: “Brahma is a great devotee of Lord Krishna and Brahma Samhita, etc., reveal his knowledge of the Lord. So are these 2 stories (namely, 1. He doubted Krishna became a cowherds Boy and stole His cows, etc.; 2. Krishna showed him the 1.4 part of His creation after Brahma had to designate himself as 4-headed Brahma.), are these 2 stories just examples to we conditioned souls, who think we can put God under restrictions?” BRAHMA IS NOT AMONG THE GREAT DEVOTEES, BUT HE IS A DEVOTEE OF KRISHNA. ALL THE GREAT DEVOTEES OF KRISHNA ARE IN THE KRISHNA LOKA, CONSTANT COMPANIONS OF KRISHNA AT VRINDABAN. THEY ARE ACTUALLY GREAT DEVOTEES OF KRISHNA. BRAHMA IS GREAT DEVOTEE IN THE SENSE THAT HE WANTS TO SERVE KRISHNA THE BEST WITH SOME MATERIAL POWER. THAT MEANS THAT HE HAS A TENDENCY TO ENJOY SOME MATERIAL OPULENCE. SO KRISHNA HAS MADE HIM THE NUMBER 1 LIVING CREATURE WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE. BUT A GREAT DEVOTEE DOES NOT WANT EVEN THE POSITION OF A BRAHMA. HE WOULD PREFER TO BECOME AN INSIGNIFICANT LIVING CREATURE LIKE AN ANT OR SPIDER IN THE HOUSE OF A GREAT DEVOTEE, THEN TO BECOME BRAHMA, WHO HAS GOT THE INCLINATION OF BECOMING POWERFUL IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. THE GREAT DEVOTEES ARE ALWAYS LIBERATED FROM ALL MATERIAL DESIRES, BIG OR SMALL. THAT IS THE SIGN OF GREAT DEVOTEES.
68-04-19. Letter: Sivananda
Now, regarding your question about Brahma, he may be chosen either from the liberated or the conditioned souls. IN THIS CASE BRAHMA IS A LIBERATED SOUL FROM THE BEGINNING; THEREFORE THERE IS NO CONTRADICTION THAT BRAHMA CAN BE HARIDASA THAKURA. Those who are conditioned souls are eternally so, which means that it is never possible to trace out how long ago the conditioned existence began.
(by Mahesh Raja)
Is it a safe inference based on the contents in the letter dated 68-07-09 to Jadurani cited above in the article under reference that for an example, these so called GBC gurus in the present Iskcon management have had a tendency to enjoy some material opulence in order to serve Lord Shri Krishna Chaitanya’s movement with some material power as Lord Brahma desires ?
Dear Learned Readers, your comments are appreciated.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri: Is it a safe inference based on the contents in the letter dated 68-07-09 to Jadurani cited above in the article under reference that for an example, these so called GBC gurus in the present Iskcon management have had a tendency to enjoy some material opulence in order to serve Lord Shri Krishna Chaitanya’s movement with some material power as Lord Brahma desires ?
Mahesh: these bogus gbc manufactured conditioned soul gurus are NOT on the same level as Lord Brahma.
Lord Brahma status is that he heard Srimad-Bhagavatam DIRECTLY from the Lord and he was BLESSED by the Lord:
AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES.
SB 3.12.28
THIS EXTRAORDINARY IMMORTALITY ON THE PART OF BRAHMA WAS HEARD TO HAVE OCCURRED IN SOME PARTICULAR KALPA, BUT IT COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE KALPA IN WHICH BRAHMA HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD THE FOUR ESSENTIAL VERSES OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM BECAUSE THE LORD BLESSED BRAHMA, AFTER GIVING HIM LESSONS ON THE BHAGAVATAM, THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE BEWILDERED IN ANY KALPA WHATSOEVER. THIS INDICATES THAT BEFORE THE HEARING OF SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM HE MIGHT HAVE FALLEN A VICTIM TO SUCH SENSUALITY, BUT AFTER HEARING SRIMAD-BHAGAVATAM DIRECTLY FROM THE LORD, THERE WAS NO POSSIBILITY OF SUCH FAILURES.
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The bogus gbc rubber-stamped gurus are NOT confidential servants of Lord Krsna.
Krsna does NOT talk to them. These are just money screwing slavery making devious karmis in THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES:
SB 8.9.28 P The Lord Incarnates as Mohini-Murti
In Bhagavad-gita (4.11) it is said, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham: the Supreme Personality of Godhead is the supreme judge who rewards or punishes different persons according to their surrender unto His lotus feet. Therefore it can actually be seen that although karmis and bhaktas may work in the same place, at the same time, with the same energy and with the same ambition, they achieve different results. The karmis transmigrate through different bodies in the cycle of birth and death, sometimes going upward and sometimes downward, thus suffering the results of their actions in the karma-cakra, the cycle of birth and death. The devotees, however, because of fully surrendering at the lotus feet of the Lord, are never baffled in their attempts. Although externally they work almost like the karmis, the devotees go back home, back to Godhead, and achieve success in every effort. The demons or atheists have faith in their own endeavors, but although they work very hard day and night, they cannot get any more than their destiny. The devotees, however, can surpass the reactions of karma and achieve wonderful results, even without effort. It is also said, phalena pariciyate: one’s success or defeat in any activity is understood by its result. THERE ARE MANY KARMIS IN THE DRESS OF DEVOTEES, BUT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN DETECT THEIR PURPOSE. THE KARMIS WANT TO USE THE PROPERTY OF THE LORD FOR THEIR SELFISH SENSE GRATIFICATION, BUT A DEVOTEE ENDEAVORS TO USE THE LORD’S PROPERTY FOR GOD’S SERVICE. THEREFORE A DEVOTEE IS ALWAYS DISTINCT FROM THE KARMIS, ALTHOUGH THE KARMIS MAY DRESS LIKE DEVOTEES. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gita (3.9), yajnarthat karmano ‘nyatra loko ‘yam karma-bandhanah. One who works for Lord Visnu is free from this material world, and after giving up his body he goes back home, back to Godhead. A karmi, however, although externally working like a devotee, is entangled in his nondevotional activity, and thus he suffers the tribulations of material existence. Thus from the results achieved by the karmis and devotees, one can understand the presence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who acts differently for the karmis and jnanis than for the devotees. The author of Sri Caitanya-caritamrta therefore says:
krsna-bhakta—-niskama, ataeva ‘santa’
bhukti-mukti-siddhi-kami—-sakali ‘asanta’
The karmis who desire sense gratification, the jnanis who aspire for the liberation of merging into the existence of the Supreme, and the yogis who seek material success in mystic power are all restless, and ultimately they are baffled. But the devotee, who does not expect any personal benefit and whose only ambition is to spread the glories of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is blessed with all the auspicious results of bhakti-yoga, without hard labor.
Note: it is better to be a sincere street sweeper then bogus misleading gbc rubber-stamped “gurus” who are destined to go to hell:
Bg 3.7 P Karma-yoga
Instead of becoming a pseudo-transcendentalist for the sake of wanton living and sense enjoyment, it is far better to remain in one’s own business and execute the purpose of life, which is to get free from material bondage and enter into the kingdom of God. The prime svartha-gati, or goal of self-interest, is to reach Visnu. The whole institution of varna and asrama is designed to help us reach this goal of life. A householder can also reach this destination by regulated service in Krsna consciousness. For self-realization, one can live a controlled life, as prescribed in the sastras, and continue carrying out his business without attachment, and in that way make progress. Such a sincere person who follows this method is far better situated than the false pretender who adopts show-bottle spiritualism to cheat the innocent public. A SINCERE SWEEPER IN THE STREET IS FAR BETTER THAN THE CHARLATAN MEDITATOR WHO MEDITATES ONLY FOR THE SAKE OF MAKING A LIVING.
720308BG.CAL Lectures
That is the test. As soon as he has become Krsna conscious, he has fully surrendered to Krsna. Immediately he becomes the greatest mahatma. Sa mahatma sudurlabhah. A mahatma like me, because, simply by changing dress… That is another thing. Because sometimes this dress gives us good opportunity for easy livelihood. That is another thing. But those who take this dress for begging and for fulfilling the hungry belly, that is…, that mahatma is different thing. He is not mahatma; he is duratma. MY GURU MAHARAJA USED TO SAY THAT IF ONE IS INCLINED TO COLLECT MONEY BY SHOWING DEITY, IT IS BETTER TO BECOME A SWEEPER IN THE STREET. IT IS BETTER TO BECOME A SWEEPER IN THE STREET, BECAUSE HE’S EARNING HIS LIVELIHOOD HONESTLY. AND THIS MAN WHO IS KEEPING A TEMPLE AND DOING ALL NONSENSE, SIMPLY BY SHOWING DEITY, COLLECTING SOME MONEY, THIS CLASS OF MEN, THEY’RE MOST SINFUL. You cannot do so. You cannot take other’s money. You’ll be debtor. Therefore gradually, because this class of men are developed at the present moment, they have become… In Vrndavana there are so many temples, they have become, made a business by showing temple, collecting money. This is not good. There must be… Temple means people should come, people should learn the science of God. That is temple. Not that to make a business of temple. Therefore everything is, not only in India, all over the world, the churches also, they’re dwindled.
701219SB.SUR Lectures
Prabhupada: Yes. It is not to be kept falsely. You see? YAMADUTAS ARE… THEY ARE VERY INTELLIGENT. IF YOU KEEP IT FALSELY, THEY CAN CATCH YOU. THEY ARE NOT FOOLISH PERSONS THAT YOU CAN CHEAT HIM. No, it is not possible. You must be actually Vaisnava; then you are excused. Otherwise not. You cannot cheat. So they are being trained up to become actually Vaisnavas, not a pseudo Vaisnava, simply for earning livelihood. No. That is not our proposition. And those who are earning livelihood by presenting himself as false Vaisnava, their condition is more condemned. My Guru Maharaja used to say that “Instead of earning your livelihood by presenting yourself as a Vaisnava, better you become a sweeper in the street and earn your livelihood. Don’t cheat.” That was the order of my Guru Maharaja. “It is better to become a sweeper in the street than to become a false Vaisnava.” That is real philosophy.
Devotee (3): Prabhupada, you said that the greatest offense is to chant thinking that “My sins will be washed away” and commit sins, or wants to.(?) So what is the result that that person gets if he dies in that condition?
Prabhupada: HE DIES A SINFUL. BECAUSE HE DOES NOT WANT TO GO BACK TO GODHEAD, HE WANTS TO MAKE SOME PROFIT, SO HE DIES SINFUL, AND HE HAS TO BE PUNISHED FOR THAT REASON, IN SPITE OF HIS FALSE THIS TILAKA AND FALSE MALA. HE’LL BE PUNISHED. Yes?
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
Lord Brahma heard Srimad Bhagavatam directly from the Lord and these people also heard the same scripture from the Lord’s authoritative representative Srila Prabhupada.
Is it not a FACT ?
Hare Krishna. AGTSP.
There is a big difference between “these people” who are conditioned souls,and Lord Brahma,who is a pure devotee listener. “The walls” are also listening. When we chant the Maha mantra,all kinds of entities benefit from. The Ants,and Animals who are near by are listening. One can chant for millions of years and still get no benefit,if one is resistance to surrendering to Krsna,but “one can become a pure devotee in a second”.
Amar Puri: Lord Brahma heard Srimad Bhagavatam directly from the Lord and these people also heard the same scripture from the Lord’s authoritative representative Srila Prabhupada.
Is it not a FACT ?
Hare Krishna. AGTSP.
Mahesh: BUT the BIG difference is in SUBMISSIVE HEARING. Lord Brahma is OBEDIENT devotee. SUBMISSIVE aural reception. THAT is the standard of HEARING. Not the hearing of an ASS. These bogus gbc voted in rubber-stamped CONDITIONED soul “gurus” are NOT SUBMISSIVE. They are ANTI Ritvik hence, Anti Srila Prabhupada they are DISOBEDIENT and have chosen to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada with THEMSELVES as Diksa guru. These are just a bunch of ill-motivate THUGS in the DRESS of devotees. OBVIOUS that they did NOT hear SUBMISSIVELY from Srila Prabhupada.
Note: Simply by SUBMISSIVE aural reception of the transcendental message, one’s heart becomes cleansed of ALL dirty things. Thus Krsna consciousness becomes fixed in the heart of a devotee.
KB 87 Prayers by the Personified Vedas
The personified Vedas continued to pray: “Dear Lord, considering all points of view, if one has to worship someone superior to him, then just out of good behavior one should stick to the worship of Your lotus feet because You are the ultimate controller of creation, maintenance and dissolution. You are the controller of the three worlds, Bhuh, Bhuvah and Svah, You are the controller of the three material qualities. Demigods and persons advanced in spiritual knowledge are always engaged in hearing and chanting about Your transcendental pastimes because this has the specific potency of nullifying the accumulated results of sinful life. Intelligent persons factually take a dip in the ocean of Your nectarean activities and very patiently hear of them. Thus they immediately become freed from the contamination of the material qualities; they do not have to undergo severe penances and austerities for advancement of spiritual life. This chanting and hearing of Your transcendental pastimes is the easiest process for self-realization. Simply by SUBMISSIVE aural reception of the transcendental message, one’s heart becomes cleansed of all dirty things. Thus Krsna consciousness becomes fixed in the heart of a devotee.
Note: Lord Brahma was able to **VISUALIZE** THE TRANSCENDENTAL WORLD, SRI VAIKUNTHA, THROUGH TRANSCENDENTAL REALIZATION.
Adi 1.50 The Spiritual Masters
THUS WHEN BRAHMA, INITIATED BY SRI KRSNA BY THE SOUND VIBRATION TAPA, ENGAGED HIMSELF IN ACTS OF AUSTERITY, BY THE PLEASURE OF VISNU HE WAS ABLE TO VISUALIZE THE TRANSCENDENTAL WORLD, SRI VAIKUNTHA, THROUGH TRANSCENDENTAL REALIZATION
SB 2.9.35 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
The impersonalists can imagine or even perceive that the Supreme Brahman is thus all-pervading, and therefore they conclude that there is no possibility of His personal form. Herein lies the mystery of His transcendental knowledge. This mystery is transcendental love of Godhead, and one who is surcharged with such transcendental love of Godhead can without difficulty see the Personality of Godhead in every atom and every movable or immovable object. And at the same time he can see the Personality of Godhead in His own abode, Goloka, enjoying eternal pastimes with His eternal associates, who are also expansions of His transcendental existence. This vision is the real mystery of spiritual knowledge, as stated by the Lord in the beginning (sarahasyam tad-angam ca). This mystery is the most confidential part of the knowledge of the Supreme, and it is impossible for the mental speculators to discover by dint of intellectual gymnastics. The mystery can be revealed through the process recommended by Brahmaji in his Brahma-samhita (5.38) as follows:
premanjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
santah sadaiva hrdayesu vilokayanti
yam syamasundaram acintya-guna-svarupam
govindam adi-purusam tam aham bhajami
“I worship the original Personality of Godhead, Govinda, whom the pure devotees, their eyes smeared with the ointment of love of Godhead, ALWAYS OBSERVE WITHIN THEIR HEARTS. This Govinda, the original Personality of Godhead, is Syamasundara with all transcendental qualities.”
Therefore, although He is present in every atom, the Supreme Personality of Godhead may not be visible to the dry speculators; still the mystery is unfolded before the eyes of the pure devotees because their eyes are anointed with love of Godhead. And this love of Godhead can be attained only by the practice of transcendental loving service of the Lord, and nothing else. THE VISION OF THE DEVOTEES IS NOT ORDINARY; IT IS PURIFIED BY THE PROCESS OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE. IN OTHER WORDS, AS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENTS ARE BOTH WITHIN AND WITHOUT, SIMILARLY THE LORD’S NAME, FORM, QUALITY, PASTIMES, ENTOURAGE, ETC., AS THEY ARE DESCRIBED IN THE REVEALED SCRIPTURES OR AS PERFORMED IN THE VAIKUNTHALOKAS, FAR, FAR BEYOND THE MATERIAL COSMIC MANIFESTATION, ARE FACTUALLY BEING TELEVISED IN THE HEART OF THE DEVOTEE. THE MAN WITH A POOR FUND OF KNOWLEDGE CANNOT UNDERSTAND, ALTHOUGH BY MATERIAL SCIENCE ONE CAN SEE THINGS FAR AWAY BY MEANS OF TELEVISION. FACTUALLY, THE SPIRITUALLY DEVELOPED PERSON IS ABLE TO HAVE THE TELEVISION OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD ALWAYS REFLECTED WITHIN HIS HEART. THAT IS THE MYSTERY OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.
Note: the Anti Ritvik goons did not want to hear Srila Prabhupada with SUBMISSIVE aural reception INSTEAD they wanted to CAPTURE Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru post, be worshiped by disciples (free slaves) MONEY,properties hence they wanted to get rid of Srila Prabhupada:
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
Dear Learned Readers,
Thank you very much for sharing your kind answers on a different angels of your individual respective perception of the understanding and realization of the knowledge of our Jagat Guru HDG Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
In the beginning, these so called GBC gurus did have submissive reception to Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and as a result of it, they did attain some Spiritual qualities proportionately to the level of their submissiveness with sincerity. No doubt about it. So, did Lord Brahma in the beginning with his Tapa.
They did hear Srimad Bhagavatam as well. But Shri Brahmaji maintained the level of submissiveness selflessly to the Lord and gained the Love and Trust of his Spiritual Master who empowered Lord Brahma for the Job. Whereas these people so called GBC gurus did not maintain such level of submissiveness selflessly to their Spiritual master Srila Prabhupada as any intelligent wise person can see through the via media of Srila Prabhupada’s VANI , Therefore, with their disobedience contradictory actions they fell down to lose Love and Trust of their Spiritual master Srila Prabhupada.
That is the reason, Srila Prabhupada did not authorize any of his disciple to become His SUCCESSOR because they did not maintain the level of submissiveness on account of their personal motivation and thus, they are considered UNQUALIFIED.
The rest is the history as we all know it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Devotee: “So those disciples who don’t have opportunity to see you or speak with you…”
Prabhupada: “That he was speaking, vani and vapuh. Even if you don’t see his body, you take his word, vani.”
Devotee: “But how do they know they’re pleasing you, Srila Prabhupada?”
Prabhupada: “If you actually follow the words of guru, that means he is pleased. And if you do not follow, how he can be pleased?”
Devotee: “Not only that, but your mercy is spread everywhere, and if we take advantage, you told us once, then we will feel the result.”
Prabhupada: “Yes.”
Devotee: “And if we have faith in what the guru says, then automatically we’ll do that.”
Prabhupada: “Yes. My Guru Maharaja passed in 1936, and I started this movement in 1965, thirty years after. Then? I am getting the mercy of guru. This is vani. Even the guru is not physically present, if you follow the vani, then you are getting help.”
Devotee: “So there’s no question of ever separation as long as the disciple follows the instruction of guru.”
Prabhupada: “No. Cakhu-dan dilo jei… What is that, next one?”
Devotee: “Cakhu-dan dilo jei, janme janme prabhu sei.”
Prabhupada: “Janme janme prabhu sei. So where there is separation? Who has opened your eyes, he is birth after birth your prabhu.”
(Srila Prabhupada Morning Walk, San Francisco, July 21, 1975)
Certainly, these so called GBC gurus do not please their Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada because they did DISOBEY the Guru’s Order and His VANI. Therefore, it is OPEN for every intelligent wise person to see through the via media of the Vapu’s VANI HDG. Srila Prabhupada as explained in the above cited conversation of Srila Prabhupada with His followers.
Thus, they are UNQUALIFIED occupying the post as a GURU in the world wide Hare Krishna institution known as ISKCON.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.