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(review by Ramachandra Dasa)
Any sincerely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada today must have at least once wondered:”What would Srila Prabhupada say today about his movement, his disciples, about with whom we should associate, about whose association we should avoid etc… ”
Despite Srila Prabhupada’s evidential information from the scriptures and despite his showing us by personal example what to do, the answers to those questions in devotional circles remain unclear and are even sometimes the cause of major disagreements.
We are therefore very pleased to announce a release of a new e-book compilation of the name Punar Musiko Bhava, soon available for download free of charge on our Montreal website www.harekrishnamontreal.com. Here in this compilation from the teachings of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, the compiler of the edition His Grace Sriman Purujit Prabhu, brings a complete view on the topic of guru-aparada. Many devotees in the recent years have written papers and books on similar topics. What makes this presentation unique is that all the ideas are lucidly brought directly from the lotus mouth of our beloved spiritual master His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada himself.
Devotees all around the planet are facing now so many issues and sub issues. For example: harassment from the public, fall downs, lack of enthusiasm, lack of manpower, lack of funds, lack of cooperation between the different camps etc. Even a new person who is aspiring to learn about the science of Krishna Consciousness in theory and practice under the guidance of Srila Prabhupada will have to ultimately face all those innumerable difficulties. As it is apparent from the statements of Srila Prabhupada in Punar Musiko Bhava, all these problems are sprouting from the core and that is when a pure devotee is offended, everything becomes topsy-turvy.
According to the Nectar of Devotion, there are many offenses we should avoid while chanting. However, the most serious offenses are the offense to the spiritual master and his sincere followers, disobeying the orders of the spiritual master and committing sinful activities on the strength of chanting. If devotees keep on consciously or unconsciously committing especially these three offenses, they will not be able to ultimately chant at all and the stringent laws of maya will cut them down in every step of their so-called preaching or propagation of Krishna Consciousness. Why? Because bhakti-yoga which is preformed whimsically is nothing but disturbance to society, what to speak of spiritual society? “Devotional service performed without reference to the Vedas, Puranas, Pancaratras, etc., must be considered sentimentalism, and it causes nothing but disturbance to society.” Adi 7.102
We cannot learn the scriptures without approaching a bona fide spiritual master. Even Lord Krishna Himself declares in the Bhagavad-Gita:
Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.
(Bg.4.34)
How we approach the spiritual master is stated in the same sloka: by service. And unless the service is performed with the right service attitude, our so-called surrender will not be accepted.
We should all take precaution not to commit the same mistakes and offenses to Srila Prabhupada’s lotus feet over and over again and thereby continuing chanting the holy name offensively. There is no better help we can get but from Srila Prabhupada himself in this regard and this wonderful compilation puts everything in context, so why not take advantage of this and save ourselves from another fall down?
(review by Ramachandra Dasa)
Download PDF: http://www.iskcon-truth.com/pdf/punar_musiko_bhava.pdf
Dear Learned Readers,
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
It appears from the following writing of the author or the compiler of this book entitled ; ” Punar Musiko Bhava – A New Book from Srila Prabhupada! ” contradict when the readers read as such ;
” Any sincerely devoted disciple of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada today must have at least once wondered:”What would Srila Prabhupada say today about his movement, his disciples, about with whom we should associate, about whose association we should avoid etc… ”
The author continues ;
” Despite Srila Prabhupada’s evidential information from the scriptures and despite his showing us by personal example what to do, the answers to those questions in devotional circles remain unclear and are even sometimes the cause of major disagreements.”
I wonder what remain ” unclear ” as quoted above ?
Whereas HDG. Srila Prabhupada has indeed given all the answers in His VANI including those questions put forth. I find the compiler CONTRADICTS as to what the author takes from Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and makes his very own quoting. He quotes Srila Prabhupada in his presentation in the above named book besides he uses further ; His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanatha Swami Prabhupada name as the author which is totally misleading and misrepresenting because Srila Prabhupada is not the author of the said book.
What kind of a cheating is this ?
Hare Krsna Prabhu, Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
if things are not “unclear”, then why there is so much confusion and conflict amongst the prabhupadanugas?
Specifically which questions and answers remain “unclear” by Purujit’s and Machanchora’s opinions? Srila Prabhupada said that “all,questions and answers are there in his books”. Questions an answers must be bonafide,and strictly pertaining to matters relating to the managerial and spiritual structures of our movement ,and not pertaining to disagreements in the applications of answers to specific questions by disciples as given by Srila Prabhupada. If we drift and create new questions and answers that are not relevant to the necessary execution of devotional service and it’s practical applications as found in Srila Prabhupada’s books and other documented sources of his,we will create unnecessary disturbances,born out of a desire to excel others and compete for distinction . Semantics are of no use,when clear instructions are available.
you would be surprised, Prabhu, but for some so called followers of Prabhupada even the instructions like chanting at least 16 rounds daily, observing the 4 regs and waking up for mangala aratik are not clear…
Dear Learned Readers,
In his Book under discussion in the following section, we read ;
WHO CAN BECOME A RTVIK?
The Vedic ritualistic ceremonies, the knowledge thereof, and the person who agrees to perform
them are inspired by the Supreme Soul. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā, matta sm tir j ānam
apohanam ca: [Bg. 15.15] from the Lord come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. The
Supersoul is situated in everyone’s heart (sarvasya cāham h di sannivi a , īśvara sarvabh
tānām h d-deśe ‘rjuna ti hati [Bg. 18.61]), and when one is advanced in Vedic knowledge,
the Supersoul gives him directions. Acting as Supersoul, the Lord gives inspiration to a suitable
person to perform the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies.
SB 7.3.30
IN FACT whereas SB.7. 3.30 purport reads as follows ;
The Vedic ritualistic ceremonies, the knowledge thereof, and the person who agrees to perform them are inspired by the Supreme Soul. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā, mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca: [Bg. 15.15] from the Lord come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. The Supersoul is situated in everyone’s heart (sarvasya cāhaṁ hṛdi sanniviṣṭaḥ, īśvaraḥ sarva-bhūtānāṁ hṛd-deśe ’rjuna tiṣṭhati [Bg. 18.61]), and when one is advanced in Vedic knowledge, the Supersoul gives him directions. Acting as Supersoul, the Lord gives inspiration to a suitable person to perform the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies. In this connection, four classes of priests, known as ṛtvik, are required. They are mentioned as hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.
The Author or Compiler of the Book under discussion ignores to write the very important portion of the purport which is ;
” In this connection, four classes of priests, known as ṛtvik, are required. They are mentioned as hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.”
The above mentioned portion lines in the purport of SB.7.3.30 are missing in the presentation by the complier of the Book.
I wonder what remains the personal MOTIVE of the compiler by not mentioning in his presentation in the BOOK under discussion and WHY the compiler ignores to state the remaining very important stated portion of the SB.7.3.30 purport ?
Hare Krsna Prabhu! Jaya Srila Prabhupada!
how many rtviks were required to perform the yajna/initiation ceremony during Srila Prabhupada´s manifested presence? did Srila Prabhupada use all of these 4 classes of rtvik for performance of the yajna?
Makhanacora, As it appears that I must have missed it to reply on time, sorry about that.
However, I have already given a reply in this connection else where under different article on this web site which reads as ;
Amar Puri says:
1. July 2018 at 12:47 am
Dear Learned Readers,
I came across by chance at the following LINK which got my attention to reply for it which I never knew it existed. ( Probably, as it appears I must have missed it to reply on time, sorry about that )
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-role-of-ritviks-in-1970s-iskcon.html
Sunday, January 22, 2017
The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE…
krishna1008: The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON
In his Blog, Makhancora dasa initiated by Purujit dasa writes asking questions on behalf of Purujit as it appears ;
” My question about how many rtviks did Srila Prabhupada use to perform the initiations and other ceremonies in his movement remained unanswered by Amar Puri. Did Srila Prabhupada use 4 rtviks — the ¨hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.¨?
Srila Prabhupada explains in the Srimad Bhagavatam 7.3.30 the quality and the qualification of the authorized Rtviks who used to serve and perform Yajana ( Fire Sacrifice ) on behalf of the Rishis, qualified personalities in the science of God — Krsna Realization.
Based on the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada authorized also certain Senior Individuals, his disciples who served SELFLESSLY Srila Prabhupada as a Rivik Brahmna. Brahmna is one of the category who can perform such Ritvik activities IF s/he is authorized by the Acharya. This is very very very simple to understand it. Isn’t it Makhanacora dasa ?
Is your Initiator Purujit authorized by Srila Prabhupada ?
If so, where is such ORDER that makes him an authorized Ritvik Brahman ( when Purujit never had any authorized formal Brahmana Initiation himself ) as per one of the 4 categories of the Authorized Ritvik as described in the S.B. 7.3.30 which Makhanacora is refuting and leading to a misrepresentation creating a smoke screen of cheating by quoting Srila Prabhupada and the Shastras ?
Furthermore, I am totally surprised to read the following from PADA’s writing when he says in his Blog mentioned above ;
[PADA: Right, there are a lot of people who claim to be Prabhupadanugas, but they are actually not happy to see the success of the sincere Prabhupadanugas. So these opponents are sort of acting as agents of Kali to disrupt the sincere preaching — while posing as “the most sincere” Srila Prabhupada devotees. Same thing happened to Srila Prabhupada, he said many of his “senior” God brothers were envious, and they were constantly attacking his work, and this envious process was giving him “depression repression, oppression.”
Para continues ; “ Anyway, Purujit prabhu is doing the job, Madhu Pandit is doing the job, Akshaya Patra Jaipur, Sunnyvale Yatra, local Bay Area Prabhupadanugas, Krishnapath.org, Krishna.org, Jitarati’s book printing folks — and many other sincere people — are all doing the job, and they should get the credit. And they will get the credit from Krishna for doing His work. And they will get extra credit from Krishna for doing His work in the face of so many envious opponents.”
And he goes on and on ………. but unfortunately it looks like Pada fell short to find out the FACTS about Purujit’s misrepresentation through his Initiate Makhancora dasa under Purujit’s direction, of course, who creates in his writing all types of smoke screen to bewilder the Readers including PADA.
I sincerely do hope that Pada do read this comments and write it on his blog for the kind perusal of his Readers including Makhancora dasa.
Now it is your turn to answer my questions, Purujit directly or through your Chamcha Makhancora. Do not forget that you are a CHEATER.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Makhancora dasa ” confusion and conflict ” are the signs and symptoms of the level of an IGNORANCE.
The Rtviks ceremony was and / or is conducted by the qualified Brahma-Vadis, followers of the Vedic principles for performing sacrifices as explained in the SB. 8.23.13 which reads as ;
TRANSLATION
” Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Nārāyaṇa, thereafter addressed Śukrācārya, who was sitting nearby in the midst of the assembly with the priests [brahma, hotā, udgātā and adhvaryu]. O Mahārāja Parīkṣit, these priests were all brahma-vādīs, followers of the Vedic principles for performing sacrifices. “.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
I hope that the Author or the Compiler of the Book learn a lesson to present the FACTS as it is in his compilation when quotes Srila Prabhupada in the COMPLETENESS of quotes from HDG. Srila Prabhupada without deleting or adding anything at his WHIMS as pointed out in my comments.
Otherwise, he stands to lose everything as the MATTO says ; “Again you become a mouse, punar muniko bhava i.e. a BOGUS, CHEATER, – CHEAP PREACHER preaching simply for a certain prestige in the devotee community.
Srila Prabhupada has also warned against a disciple becoming “over-intelligent.” He gave the example of the mouse who requested the blessing of a sage to make him a cat in order to protect him from being harassed by a cat. Later he asked to become a dog to save him from the unwanted attacks of a dog. Finally he desired to become a tiger to avoid being chased by tigers. Upon receiving this final blessing he approached the sage who had bestowed the benedictions and boldly declared that he now wanted to eat the very benefactor who had blessed him in the first place. So the sage finally cursed him, punar muniko bhava: “Again you become a mouse.”
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna Prabhus. Please accept my humble obeisances. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The contradictions mentioned by Amar Puri indeed stand out and say a lot about the motive of the author.
The instructions of Srila Prabhupada are perfect mathematical equations. If you take out or add something to one side of the equation, the other side must be changed also. Presence of contradiction/error in equation indicates the attempt to change the content/meaning. “Prabhupāda: Hen. The hen is giving egg and, by the backside, by the rectum, and eating by the mouth. So one man is considering that “This mouthpiece is expensive, because I have to give to eat. Better cut it.” So if the mouth is cut, then there will be no egg because a dead body. So this is not good logic, [laughing] that the expensive portion may be cut and the profitable portion may be kept. This kind of interpretation will not be helpful. If you accept the whole—this side and that side—then business will go on.”
Srila Prabhupada’s books contain no mistakes since he is a liberated soul – nitya siddha. To write under Srila Prabhupada’s name and to meddle with real meanings constitutes a great offense. The offenses made by the author are as follows: The 3rd offense is to disobey the orders of the spiritual master; and mainly: The 6th offense is to give some interpretation on the holy name of the Lord.
Amrit Singh says: ” The contradictions mentioned by Amar Puri indeed sand out and say a lot about the motive of the author. ”
As it appears from his writing that the Compiler or the Author yarns for certain personal motive for a prestige, adoration and distinction under the banner of the Rtvik system of Srila Prabhupada. To carry on his personal agenda, he runs his show of business in cultivating KC. That is the problem. From the link provided, it appears that he runs the program from his place where he lives and certain bewildered Jivas pay a visit there.
I wonder if the story of the Monk part 1 and 2 written by Makhanhcora dasa published here on this web site has something to do with the author of the book having a mutual common interest and connection amongst each other………………….
It is sad to see that these types of deviating activities taking place under the Rtvik banner of Srila Prabhupada. These type of mentality of people are very dangerous indeed who misguide and cheat people for personal FALSE prestige, adoration and distinction .
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“Prabhupada: Ramana Maharshi, yes, I am speaking of Ramana Maharshi. He never preached about Krsna’s superexcellent position, never preached. This is going on. Everyone is taking advantage of Bhagavad-gita and he’s preaching in his own way, foolish way. “Own way” means foolish way. This is going on. You cannot… Suppose you have got your philosophy, but you cannot take my book and preach your philosophy. If you have got philosophy, you write your philosophy. Why do you take advantage of my book and misinterpret? This is cheating. Because my book is very popular, you take advantage of my book and preach your own nonsense philosophy. This is going on. If you want to smoke ganja, you smoke in your own hand. Why you capture my hand and smoke? What is this? So the ganja-smelling will be in my hand, not in your hand. This is going on. Why do they take advantage of Bhagavad-gita and preach their nonsense philosophy? That is our protest. You preach your nonsense philosophy. We have no objection. But don’t touch Bhagavad-gita. This is our Krsna consciousness movement. What is the… Do you think it is honesty that you want to preach something of your own philosophy and you take advantage of my book and mislead others? Is that very good, honest business? This is going on. This is going on, very dangerous position. In our country, and what to speak of other countries, all these swamis, yogis, and politicians, and scholars, they are doing like this. Very dangerous position. Why should you touch Bhagavad-gita? You speak, you preach, your own philosophy. There are so many philosophies. But our only objection is that “Why should you preach your nonsense philosophy through Bhagavad-gita?” Do you think it is right?”
This condition Jiva, the Author of the Book desires certain Prathistha similar to the present Iskcon system created by the conditioned Jivas known as the GBC in the rank and file of having to accept some certain POSITION by themselves, in this case, of his own in order to continue his cultivation of Krsna consciousness under the teachings of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada. That is the material DISEASE to which he seems to accept in the form of a certain PRATHISTHA , if any, knowingly or unknowingly as the present Iskcon gurus of all sorts do.
As a result of it, this bewildered Jiva continues to do what it satisfies his WHIMS.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“So unless one is self-realized, there is practically no use writing about Krsna. This transcendental writing does not depend on material education. It depends on the spiritual realization. You’ll find, therefore, in the comments of Bhagavatam by different acaryas, even there are some discrepancies, they are accepted as asat-patha. It should remain as it is.” (Lecture, Vrindavana, March 31,1976)
Is the Author of the book Self Realized – Brahamavadi ?
Why did he delete the very important part of the Purport as pointed out in my comments from his presentation of the book under discussion ?
What kind of a personal motive he has in doing what he does ?
Hope he gives up his personal motive of acceptance in the aspiration of the false prestige and position which has blinded him completely.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar’ji
I have noted the context of your comments and find them extremely disrespectful and offense towards our officiating acarya(rtvik) His Grace Purujit Prabhu.
Purujit Prabhu never claimed to be a pure devotee(Utama Adhikari) or self-realized soul so even for arguments sake if he did make a mistake and removed a part of the purport of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada whimsically – he is allowed to do so(which by the way is not the case and there can be giving planty of solid evidence to that). Amarji you are you reading daily the BG ? defiantly not and I am sure that even if you have ever read it you won’t be able to remember anything because you so puffed up (like a Puri) and Lord Krishna blocked the remaining of intelligence of yours. Either way I will try to remind you here:
“Even if one commits the most abominable actions, if he is engaged in devotional service, he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated.” Bg 9.30
Even if there was some fault here with Purujit Prabhu, what right you have to use such harsh comments like :” BOGUS, CHEATER & etc.” this is a non human way how to resolve things what to speak about
Vaishnava. Your behavior is clearly less than a dog who is creates a huge commotion because someone nocked on the neighbors door. Even in the karmi world your are consider to be innocent until proven to be guilty. But the fact that you jumped on this, taking advantage of something that seems like a deviation without even waiting for the respond from our community (Bhaktivedante Lives In Sound Society) decided to insult and accuse him of so many things proves you simply an envious barking dog under the dress of a so called “Srila Prahbupada disciple”.
My words might sound harsh but they are absolutely current and in order to bring more light on it I will have to mention that few years ago (2013) here in our Montreal Prabhupadanuga community been done a great damage by rascals such as Amar who creating those quarrels between us by spreading their bogus philosophy :” As it appears from his writing that the Compiler or the Author yarns for certain personal motive for a prestige, adoration and distinction under the banner of the Rtvik system of Srila Prabhupada. To carry on his personal agenda, he runs his show of business in cultivating KC. That is the problem. From the link provided, it appears that he runs the program from his place where he lives and certain bewildered Jivas pay a visit there.” Amar Puri15. January 2017 at 6:46 pm
I my self witnessed how due to similar propaganda a good boy by the name Bhakta Sergey Prabhu who Purujit Prabhu was helping in his Krishna Consciousness here in Montreal came one morning to the temple and attacked using physical violence Purujit Prabhu, just prior to this he mess mailed all the Prabhupadanugs in Montreal saying that Purujit Prabhu should be KILLED – and to our surprise non of our Godbrothers here in Montreal protested even a bit our trying to put reason into his consciousness. The bloody scene the next morning in the temple could have been avoided if those so called Prabhupada’s disciple of Montreal where endowed by some brains but unfortunately till this day non of them even stepped into our ashram here where we constantly hold programs for the public (Gita class, Love feast, Festivals and etc ) for the last 5 years.
What right do you or people like you have to criticize Purujit Prahbu? What have YOU done for Srila Prabhupada’s movement ? did you create any full time devotees ? have you cooked a single Love Feast so the poor karmis can come and hir about our Divine spiritual master? have you collected dontations from unthankful puffed up congregation members that only come to eat, brag and give to you their sinful dirty money ? In your whole life span in this material universe did you establish one single temple? Or did you follow the most basic principle of spiritual life – accepting a bonafine spiritual master ?
Well I don’t know, I have no clue if you follow any of Srila Prabhupada’s orders, NO MEAT EATING, NO ILLICIT SEX, NO gambling NO intoxication or if you chanting 16 rounds of the HOLY NAMES OF THE LORD.
“Simply criticizing and no work, that is the business of inferior men.”
Letter to: Nityananda — Bombay 25 November, 1972
But Purujit Prabhu as our honorable rtvik (officiating acarya) is doing all of what was mentioned above and even much more. He was able to train Makhancora Prabhu my humble self and continues to train many others who just like him will take a vow and become a bonafide disciple of Srila Prabhupada. many can testify and me(who I know for the last 3-4 years) that he is up to the standard and beyond.
This is a great disrespect towards Srila Prabhupada himself that someone dares to criticize in such an uncivilized manner the rvtik(officiating acarya) of our Society who is in charge of confirming someone to be a bonafide disciple of His Divine Grace. Using this as a spring board for defamation of our societies preaching works is low class and belongs to a man with a character of less then that of a dog.
The reads of this forum including the Administrators of the website himself are included in my reply to Amarji’s “Purports” and are too to blame for allowing such comments to be posted on what considered to be the “Prabhupadanugas” website. Amar is a nonsense commentator but even more are the Administrators of the website who allow such a behavior here, simple disgraceful.
In the same book you will find that we should not tolerate such blasphemy and act acoring to Srila Prahbupada’s Divine instructions & orders :
ONE SHOULD NOT TOLERATE BLASPHEMY OF A PURE DEVOTEE
“One should be very meek and humble in his personal transactions, and if insulted a Vaiṣṇava should be tolerant and not angry. But if there is blasphemy against one’s guru or another Vaiṣṇava, one should be as angry as fire. This was exhibited by Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. One should not tolerate blasphemy against a Vaiṣṇava but should immediately take one of three actions. If someone blasphemes a Vaiṣṇava, one should stop him with arguments and higher reason. If one is not expert enough to do this he should give up his life on the spot, and if he cannot do this, he must go away. “CC adi 7.50
Now in regards to the philosophical issue which Amarji stated above :“Is the Author of the book Self Realized — Brahamavadi ? “
I would like to bring to your attention Amarji that Purujit Prahbu never claimed to be the author and as stated by me in the review to the book Purujit is only complied :” Here in this compilation from the teachings of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada, the compiler of the edition His Grace Sriman Purujit Prabhu.”
The title which we choose to advertise :” A New Book from Srila Prabhupada” is ment for promotion purposes and not to misled anyone since it obivouse that it is nothing but another compilated material from Srila Prabhupada’s Divine Vani- therefor Purujit is not the author.
Neither Purujit Prabhu never clamied to be a self-realized soul, he was appointed in the Bhaktivedanta Lives In Sound Society as the rtvik by its members and can be removed at any point from that position.
It is completely ridiculous to propose that the rtvik whom is charge of executing the formal initiation to be a pure devotee on the level of Srila Prahbupada(utama adhikari) and we can clearly understand it from Srila Prahbupada example and teachings. Srila Prabhupada never said that the officiating acarya(rtvik) must be a Utama Adhikari or self-realized soul, in this connection you can see that the first rtvik was Kirtananada and others who we can clearly recognize as less then neophytes(illicit sex mongers , poison givers and etc) never the less Srila Prabhuapda gave them all a chance in his preaching mission and allowed to preform this ceremony. Why? Because obviously to be a (Utama Adhikari) or self-realized soul is not the qualification to be a rtvik.
So who are those Brahma-vadi s which are mentioned in this verse, these are simply ritualist priests priests who where engaged by Sukracarya for preforming of Vedic Rituals is our connection to His Divine Grace Srila Prabupada depends on such persons like Sukracarya or Tamal or maybe Jayapataka or who do you like more Amarji? Of course not at all:
“There may be discrepancies in pronouncing the mantras and observing the regulative principles, and, moreover, there may be discrepancies in regard to time, place, person and paraphernalia. But when Your Lordship’s holy name is chanted, everything becomes faultless.
PURPORT
Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has recommended:
harer nama harer nama
harer namaiva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva
nasty eva gatir anyatha
[Cc. Adi 17.21]
“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Brhan-naradiya Purana 38.126) In this age of Kali, it is extremely difficult to perform Vedic ritualistic ceremonies or sacrifices perfectly. Hardly anyone can chant the Vedic mantras with perfect pronunciation or accumulate the paraphernalia for Vedic performances. Therefore the sacrifice recommended in this age is sankirtana, constant chanting of the holy name of the Lord. Yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah (SB 11.5.29). Instead of wasting time performing Vedic sacrifices, those who are intelligent, those who possess good brain substance, should take to the chanting of the Lord’s holy name and thus perform sacrifice perfectly. I have seen that many religious leaders are addicted to performing yajnas and spending hundreds and thousands of rupees for imperfect sacrificial performances. This is a lesson for those who unnecessarily execute such imperfect sacrifices. We should take the advice of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu (yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah). Although Sukracarya was a strict brahmana addicted to ritualistic activities, he also admitted, nischidram anusankirtanam tava: “My Lord, constant chanting of the holy name of Your Lordship makes everything perfect.” In Kali-yuga the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies cannot be performed as perfectly as before. Therefore Srila Jiva Gosvami has recommended that although one should take care to follow all the principles in every kind of spiritual activity, especially in worship of the Deity, there is still a chance of discrepancies, and one should compensate for this by chanting the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In our Krsna consciousness movement we therefore give special stress to the chanting of the Hare Krsna mantra in all activities.”SB 8.23.16
And we definitely not I need of approval of a puffed up Puriji to be able to chant our 16 rounds and tell us that we need some Brahma-vadi s in order to be accepted you Vaishnava community. In fact here is a quote that explains who are the Brahma-vadis :
“So by chanting Hare Krsna mantra one becomes free from sinful reaction. Not only that, he becomes very soon a devotee. Yatas tad-visaya matih. Yatah means simply by chanting. Here it is clearly stated, nama-vyaharanam, chanting of the holy name. Vyaharanam means chanting. Nama-vyaharanam visnoh, “of Lord Visnu.” So not only he becomes free from all sinful reaction of his life, but yatas tad-visaya matih: his mind becomes fixed up in the lotus feet of Krsna. So try to understand what is the result of chanting, simply by chanting Hare Krsna mantra. Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommends, harer nama harer nama harer namaiva kevalam [Cc. Adi 17.21]. So without offense, without committing offense, if we regularly chant this Hare Krsna mantra, then we remain freed from all sinful reaction of life and our attachment for the Supreme Lord in devotional service increases. Yatas tad-visaya matih. Brahma-vadibhih. Brahma-vadi means those who are very much fond of Vedic rituals, performances, yajnas. There was an argument, conversation with Haridasa Thakura and a brahmana. The Haridasa Thakura says that offenseless chanting of the holy name of Lord, one not only becomes free, not only he becomes brahma-bhuta [SB 4.30.20], but his love of Godhead manifests. The dormant love of Godhead manifests and automatically he is liberated. So that brahmana protested that “Don’t exaggerate your chanting in this way. One becomes liberated after performing so much austerities, penances, and you say simply by chanting Hare Krsna? This is too much exaggeration.” So there was argument, and the argument increased, and there was cursing also, and Haridasa Thakura was a little bit agitated, and the brahmana became offender and he suffered. That incidence is described in the Caitanya-caritamrta.”Srimad-Bhagavatam 6.2.9-10 — Allahabad, January 15, 1971
From the very beginning Purujit Prabhu was standing against those demon like “Gurus” who obstract the bonafide and original teachings of Srila Prabhupada, therefore comparing Purujit Prabhu to those demons is a simply blasphemy. Again I call everyone who reads my comment not to tolerate such a blasphemy against a front line preacher in Srila Prabhupada’s mission who is trying to spread the holy name of the Lord all over the world:
“A pure devotee, satāṁ nindā, a pure devotee who is trying to spread the holy name of God, if somebody becomes envious upon him, that person is a great offender. So another devotee should be very much angry upon such person. Krodha bhakta-dveṣi-jane. Bhakta-dveṣi means one who is envious of a pure devotee. And who is a pure devotee? Who is trying to spread the holy name of the Lord all over the world.” Śrīmad-Bhāgavatām 6.2.9-10 — Allahabad, January 15, 1971
The fact that Purujit Prahbu is preaching the original message of Srila Prahbupada’s teachings proves that he is beyond and material motivation:
“We have actually seen that one of the disciples of Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura wanted to enjoy the property of his spiritual master, and the spiritual master, being merciful toward him, gave him the temporary property, but not the power to preach the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu all over the world. That special mercy of the power to preach is given to a devotee who does not want anything material from his spiritual master but wants only to serve him.” SB 5.18.22
I call all the so called prabhupadanugas who take side in similar criticize to first of all try to preach and make disciples for Srila Prabhupada and them open their mouth, I am sure that a more pleasant words will come from their mouth the from this Kali-chela.
Sincerely your servant Ramachandra Dasa (Bhaktivedanta Lives In Sound Society Montreal)
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE…
Amar Puri has accused His Grace Purujit Prabhu of ulterior motives because of his not mentioning a portion of Srila Prabhupada’s purport to SB.7.3.30. Let’s see the context then. Purujit Prabhu quotes Srila Prabhupada regarding the qualification of a person to conduct vedic rituals, how one becomes inspired by the Lord Himself to perform sacrifices when he becomes advanced in vedic knowledge. That is the main point and consideration – the qualification of one to become a vedic priest. The ommited portion of the purport, which Amar Puri has with great pomp and expectation put forward, deals simply with the technical detail about the number and name of the rtviks used in vedic sacrificial ceremonies. My question about how many rtviks did Srila Prabhupada use to perform the initiations and other ceremonies in his movement remained unanswered by Amar Puri. Did Prabhupada use 4 rtviks – the ¨hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.¨? Let’s take a look into his instructions:
Letter to: Hanuman — Bombay 4 October, 1973 :
Now just as all my other disciples are doing, you take care that they follow very faithfully chanting of 16 rounds daily, and following all of the rules and principles of Krishna conscious very strictly. You should immediately send their beads for chanting on to Karandhara das Adhikari in Los Angeles who is one of the senior disciples I have authorized to chant on beads. Then, after receiving the beads back from Karandhara you can hold a fire ceremony and perform the sacrifice as you have seen me doing so many times.
Letter to: Vaikunthanatha, Saradia — Bombay 4 April, 1971 :
Ask your wife to chant this mantra and you hear it and if possible hold a fire ceremony as you have seen during your marriage and get this sacred thread on your body. Saradia, or ANY twice-initiated DEVOTEE, may perform the ceremony.
(note: ¨devotee¨ is singular. ONE PERSON)
Letter to: Bhagavat Asraya — Mayapur 13 March, 1977
Now you may perform the Agnihotra on Rama Navami as you have proposed. The first initiate should vow to always follow the regulative principles and chant at least sixteen rounds daily. The brahmanas should be explained the qualities of brahminical life and be allowed to hear the gayatri tape in the right ear after the ceremony. The best way to instruct the initiates is by your own good example.
Letter to: Revatinandana — Bombay 4 January, 1973 :
Please accept my blessings. Just now I have received some more requests for giving first initiation from Dhananjaya, and now I am receiving weekly not less than ten to fifteen such requests from new students. So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads such long distance, and it has become little bothersome for me also, so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America Kirtanananda Swami is going that. So now if there are two of you that will give me great relief. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new devotees in America, Canada, like that, you can chant on the beads for the European continent new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting. They may continue to send me their letters of request, along the President’s recommendation, and I shall give them name and it will be entered by my Secretary in our records, only I will send my letter of reply to you and you will purchase beads there and chant them and send, along with my letter to the new initiates. Is that all right?
Letter to: Gurudasa — Los Angeles 22 June,
I have informed Hamsaduta that the five students in Hamburg who are now ready to receive Gayatri may do so when they visit your London temple during Rathayatra celebration. So I think you know all the procedures by now and you may give them the Gayatri as I have already prescribed by using the tape record of the mantras and performing the fire sacrifice.
Letter to: Bibhu — Los Angeles 21 May, 1972 :
I think my secretary has recently sent one copy of Gayatri Mantra for Kutila dasi and enclosed herewith please find one sacred thread and one copy of Gayatri Mantra for Mahendra dasa. EITHER YOU OR Ranadhira can hold a fire sacrifice and present sacred threads to Kutila and Mahendra.
Letters : 1974 Correspondence : August : Letter to: Abhirama: — Vrindaban 16 August, 1974 : 74-08-16 :
As you have suggested, you may hold a fire sacrifice and the beads may be chanted upon by Rupanuga Prabhu. You should impress upon the new disciples that they are taking vows before Radha and Krsna, the spiritual master, and the Vaisnavas. They must always chant at least 16 rounds daily and avoid the four sinful activities.
Letters : 1974 Correspondence : August : Letter to: Mahamsa: — Vrindaban 16 August, 1974 : 74-08-16 :
You may hold a fire sacrifice and chant on their beads and impress upon them they are taking vows before Radha and Krsna, the spiritual master, and the Vaisnavas. They must always chant 16 rounds daily and avoid the four sinful activities.
And so on. ¨EITHER YOU OR Ranadhira can hold a fire sacrifice …¨ implies to me that either ONE or the other ONE can perform the sacrifice. Where does Srila Prabhupada mention 4 rtviks to conduct the yajna? According to Amar Puri’s philosophy, ¨backed¨ by this technical detail from Prabhupada’s purport to SB 7.3.30, Srila Prabhupada is bogus, because he repeatedly violated the ¨4 rtviks per sacrifice¨ principle and, as mentioned by Ramacandra Prabhu, he appointed persons, who were not up to Amar Puri’s imagined standard to act as rtviks. So what was the motive of Srila Prabhupada? What was the agenda? Yes, the motive is very clear and that is, that in Kali-yuga these vedic sacrifices are impossible to be performed in proper dimensions and requirements as Srila Prabhupada repeatedly explains. But, because the kali-yugis can see only externally and cannot appreciate fully the purely spiritual significance of initiation, there has to be some show, some theatre for the eye, some entertainment, fire burning, seeds cracking… And shallow people like Amar Puri are very much attached to these external features of vedic system, so when such, for the execution of the vedic system in Kali-yuga quite irrelevant, detail is left out, they become super-alert.
The essence of his triggering this obnoxious blasphemy against Purujit Prabhu is not philosophical. As any intelligent person can see, the supposed reason – ommiting a portion of a purport which contains a detail irrelevant to what is being established i.e. qualification of a rtvik – is insignificant. The essence of Amar Puri’s comments is pure envy which is apparent from the personal platform on which he is slandering Purujit Prabhu without asking any questions for clarifying or understanding Prabhu’s frame of thoughts.
Then Amar Puri’s ¨samadhi¨ goes on: ¨I wonder what remains the personal MOTIVE of the compiler by not mentioning in his presentation in the BOOK under discussion and WHY the compiler ignores to state the remaining very important stated portion of the SB.7.3.30 purport.¨
So let me ask Amar Puri a question in similar fashion:
You have quoted SB 8.23.13, the ¨brahma-vadis¨ verse. But what remains your personal motive, that you ignore the following verses – SB 8.23.14 – 15 and especially SB 8.23.26 and their purports, where it is established that simply by performing sankirtan-yajna everything becomes perfect, in opposition to your suggestion that 4 rtviks are an absolute necessity and that by leaving this information out a big big hidden agenda is now exposed?
That is quoted in Ramacandra Prabhu’s comment, but I shall put again:
¨There may be discrepancies in pronouncing the mantras and observing the regulative principles, and, moreover, there may be discrepancies in regard to time, place, person and paraphernalia. But when Your Lordship’s holy name is chanted, everything becomes faultless.
PURPORT
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu has recommended:
harer nāma harer nāma
harer nāmaiva kevalam
kalau nāsty eva nāsty eva
nāsty eva gatir anyathā
[Adi 17.21]
“In this age of quarrel and hypocrisy the only means of deliverance is chanting the holy name of the Lord. There is no other way. There is no other way. There is no other way.” (Bṛhan-nāradīya Purāṇa 38.126) In this age of Kali, it is extremely difficult to perform Vedic ritualistic ceremonies or sacrifices perfectly. Hardly anyone can chant the Vedic mantras with perfect pronunciation or accumulate the paraphernalia for Vedic performances. Therefore the sacrifice recommended in this age is saṅkīrtana, constant chanting of the holy name of the Lord. Yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi sumedhasaḥ (Bhāg. 11.5.29). Instead of wasting time performing Vedic sacrifices, those who are intelligent, those who possess good brain substance, should take to the chanting of the Lord’s holy name and thus perform sacrifice perfectly. I have seen that many religious leaders are addicted to performing yajñas and spending hundreds and thousands of rupees for imperfect sacrificial performances. This is a lesson for those who unnecessarily execute such imperfect sacrifices. We should take the advice of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu (yajñaiḥ saṅkīrtana-prāyair yajanti hi sumedhasaḥ). Although Śukrācārya was a strict brāhmaṇa addicted to ritualistic activities, he also admitted, niśchidram anusaṅkīrtanaṁ tava: “My Lord, constant chanting of the holy name of Your Lordship makes everything perfect.” In Kali-yuga the Vedic ritualistic ceremonies cannot be performed as perfectly as before. Therefore Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī has recommended that although one should take care to follow all the principles in every kind of spiritual activity, especially in worship of the Deity, there is still a chance of discrepancies, and one should compensate for this by chanting the holy name of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement we therefore give special stress to the chanting of the HareKṛṣṇa mantra in all activities.¨
By the way, the context of the ¨brahma-vadis¨ verse is in connection with the appearance of Lord Vamanadeva which took place in Treta-yuga when performance of the yajna was the yuga-dharma. Now we have Kali-yuga though, I don’t know if you are aware of this fact. In Kali-yuga the yuga-dharma is harinama-sankirtana.
In our BHAKTIVEDANTA LIVES IN SOUND SOCIETY, under the blessed leadership of His Grace Sriman Purujit Prabhu, daily harinam and book distribution is going on in Canada (harekrishnamontreal.com) and Europe (facebook.com/bfasram). Therefore there is no fault. But you see differently. What can be done? Anyone who has heard about Mr. Freud knows about ¨self-defending¨mechanisms. One of them, very strong and subtle, nevertheless visible, is ¨projection¨. We project OUR OWN thoughts, motives, angers etc. on OTHERS. So, yes, His Grace Purujit Prabhu is distinguished from the weak, pale and stagnant mass of so called ¨Prabhupadanugas¨ who mostly (except for few glorious examples of active, enthusiastic, dynamic, inspired and happy devotees) spend their lives in useless chewing the chewed vomit of ¨bogus guru, is the poison in the milk, GBC, JEW-B-C, pedophilia, murder, how iskcon has deviated, Hitler is so nice, they killed our Prabhupada¨ issues by his tireless effort in positively spreading Krsna consciousness and the Holy Name all around. Under his influence Prabhupada’s books are being translated (into french, polish, croatian, spanish, german, slovak, japanese, russian, hebrew). Under his influence there are temples being opened where ¨bewildered jivas¨ come, chant Hare Krsna, dance in ecstasy before Sri Panca-tattva and Srila Prabhupada, hear from the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam and become inspired to take up Krsna consciousness, begin to chant 16 rounds and abandon 4 sinful activities. This is the influence of Sriman Purujit Prabhu.
So far your influence is concerned, your influence in inspiring others to become Krsna conscious equals zero. That wouldn’t be the worst crime, not everyone can preach. Especially the dead man cannot do it. So that’s ok, let the dead man chill out, be a lazy fool, eat and sleep and shut up. But we know that there is a clique of busy fools in Montreal, a flock of nonsense persons like you, so much so that on the basis of false rumors spread by a person who’s name is not worthy to be mentioned here an unfortunate devotee from Finland who donated 400euros for future printing of Srila Prabhupada’s books in Slovakia asked for his donation back. I have the conversation stored. That is not even low-class, to donate and then withdraw, but because of propaganda such as the one we see here, he became bereft of the mercy to participate in the most glorious devotional activity, which is Prabhupada’s books distribution. Thus a horrendous violence has been commited on this poor soul and people like you – envious rascals, snakes, liars, mudhas, naradhamas and aparadhis – are responsible for this hellish situation. Congratulations! Your ¨seva¨ has undoubtedly pleased Srila Prabhupada to the max. You have adopted the ¨service¨ of the watchdog of cyberspace, hunting down those who you consider deviant. But now you really bark up the wrong tree.
It is so, yes, Purujit Prabhu doesn’t actually have to cultivate a separate agenda to become praised by others and have fame. We are happy that you acknowledge his prestige and fame. Yet we never forget that to be chastised by a wise man is better than to be praised by a fool, so we are not very elated by your appreciation.
Srila Prabhupada describes in the Gita 10.4-5 : PURPORT :
Yaśaḥ, fame, should be according to Lord Caitanya, who said that a man is famous when he is known as a great devotee. That is real fame. If one has become a great man in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and it is known, then he is truly famous. One who does not have such fame is infamous.
Purujit Prabhu is an established devotee, a preacher of Krsna consciousness and therefore he is famous. You, rascal hidden in a hole not doing anything but simply criticizing on some completely irrelevant trifle, you are infamous. Naturally, when someone is praising Purujit Prabhu instead of you, it becomes very painful for you and then you have to spit venom like an obnoxious snake. But Srila Prabhupada tells us how to deal with nonsense people like yourself:
Cc. Madhya-lila : Madhya 1: The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu : Madhya 1.218 : PURPORT
¨Śrīla Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says, chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra pāyeche kebā: unless one serves a Vaiṣṇava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaiṣṇavas, his path is clear. Consequently Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu requested all the Vaiṣṇavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rūpa and Sanātana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaiṣṇava sees that another Vaiṣṇava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaiṣṇavas are not envious. If a Vaiṣṇava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaiṣṇavas become very joyful-that is, if they are truly Vaiṣṇavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaiṣṇava is certainly not a Vaiṣṇava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaiṣṇavas. Why should a Vaiṣṇava be envious of another Vaiṣṇava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaiṣṇava is very pleased to accept another Vaiṣṇava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the śāstra (upekṣā). The word upekṣā means neglect. One should neglect an enviousperson. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaiṣṇavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaiṣṇavas in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. There is no need to serve a jealous person who is in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava. When Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura says chāḍiyā vaiṣṇava sevā nistāra payeche kebā, he is indicating an actual Vaiṣṇava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaiṣṇava.¨
So, following this purport, you are nothing to us. We do not respect you, but reject you, and I request everyone who reads this to adopt the same attitude and thus save himself from the offence of vaisnava-aparadha which one may commit by accepting and identifying oneself with the garbage presented here by unfortunate rascals like Amar Puri and Amrit Singh.
As his Grace Ramacandra Prabhu has quoted: ¨Simply criticizing and no work, that is the business of inferior men. So do not be disturbed by them, go on with your work, increasing more and more. Never mind the jackals howl.¨
(Letter to: Nityananda — Bombay 25 November, 1972)
WHAT DO YOU DO, RASCALS? WHERE ARE YOUR LOVE FEASTS? WHERE ARE YOUR BHAGAVATAM AND BHAGAVAD-GITA CLASSES? WHERE ARE YOUR GUESTS AND PEOPLE ABANDONING ILLICIT-SEX, MEAT-EATING, INTOXICATION, GAMBLING AND CHANTING 16 ROUNDS OF HARE KRSNA MAHA MANTRA ON THEIR BEADS INSPIRED BY YOUR ASSOCIATION?
I DARE YOU! I DARE YOU TO PUBLICLY AND BOLDLY DECLARE HERE THAT YOU HAVE BEEN YOURSELF CHANTING AT LEAST 16 ROUNDS AND FOLLOWING THE 4 REGS FOR THE LAST 6 MONTHS SO YOU CAN CLAIM SRILA PRABHUPADA TO BE YOUR SPIRITUAL MASTER!!!
And if you do so, then I dare you to come to one of our centres, Montreal or Slovakia and do this under the observation of devotees. And when you succeed, i shall personally wash your feet, drink the thing and remain silent for 6 months.
But i have serious doubts about your sadhana, Amar Puri.
Dear learned readers, just take note of this:
Amar Puri says:
17. January 2017 at 2:23 am
This condition Jiva, the Author of the Book desires certain Prathistha similar to the present Iskcon system created by the conditioned Jivas known bla bla bla..
Amar Puri at 2:23 IN THE MORNING says this and that, nonsense… What is this? Instead of taking rest to be fresh for mangala-arati and nice morning japa, Amar Puri browses the internet to crusade against devotees and preachers of Krsna consciousness… Or are you some kind of an empowered soul, writing transcendental literature at half past two like Srila Prabhupada? When will you publish it? Just see the fun.
One last thing: instead of meditating on Krsna, Amar Puri meditates on the relationship of some insignificant Makhancora dasa, the author of the ¨Monk on the Road¨ (which is published on this website without my knowledge and permission, by the way. Maybe the administrator could shed a bit of light on this?) with Purujit Prabhu.
In order to save your time, so you can waste it in some other fruitless way, because we do not like to be meditated upon by you, I tell you here, that I accept His Grace Sriman Purujit Prabhu as my siksa-guru. He cultivated me intensely and extensively for the last 8 years and I fall flat at his lotus feet anywhere, anytime and without any reservation. I am ready to hubly, submissively and obediently serve and assist him in any way possible in his glorious effort to spread Krsna consciousness for the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada. So… No one can speak like this about you, right? Must hurt like hell… So, burn if you like… who can stop you?
My request to you, Amar Puri, is that at the very fag-end of your life, please do not set yourself on this path of spiritual suicide – vaisnava-aparadha.
You kindly appologize publicly to Purujit Prabhu and delete your blasphemous comments. That is my advise to you.
And this obscure figure of the name Amrit Singh, that is even not interesting to be adressed… simply quoting unrelated topics… Half-hen logic. You are half-hen yourself, you nonsense, why don’t you quote the whole vedabase folio here in order not to ommit something, so no one can be suspicious of your hidden agendas and cheating? Fool No.1.
your servant Makhancora dasa.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Makhancora dasa initiated by Purujit dasa writes asking questions on behalf of Purujit as it appears ;
” My question about how many rtviks did Srila Prabhupada use to perform the initiations and other ceremonies in his movement remained unanswered by Amar Puri. Did Srila Prabhupada use 4 rtviks — the ¨hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.¨?
Srila Prabhupada explains in the Srimad Bhagavatam 7.3.30 the quality and the qualification of the authorized Rtviks who used to serve and perform Yajana ( Fire Sacrifice ) on behalf of the Rishis, qualified personalities in the science of God — Krsna Realization.
Based on the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada authorized also certain Senior Individuals, his disciples who served SELFLESSLY Srila Prabhupada as a Rivik Brahmna. Brahmna is one of the category who can perform such Ritvik activities IF s/he is authorized by the Acharya. This is very very very simple to understand it. Isn’t it Makhanacora dasa ?
Is your Initiator Purujit authorized by Srila Prabhupada ?
If so, where is such ORDER that makes him an authorized Ritvik Brahman ( when Purujit never had any authorized formal Brahmana Initiation himself ) as per one of the 4 categories of the Authorized Ritvik as described in the S.B. 7.3.30 which Makhanacora is refuting and leading to a misrepresentation creating a smoke screen of cheating by quoting Srila Prabhupada and the Shastras in his long unnecessarily USELESS comments cited above. ?
who from the present personalities performing initiation ceremonies as ritvik are authorized by Prabhupada? no one. so your philosophy is now to stop initiations altogether? because no one is authorized “directly”? living guru philosophy?
i am not initiated by Purujit Prabhu, what you are saying? get real… Purujit Prabhu performed the ceremony. I am an initiated disciple of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, following the vows of initiation and discipline he has given.
At least Purujit Prabhu is recommended by Hansadutta Prabhu , who is directly appointed by Prabhupada, to perform ritvik initiations. no one else has such a recommendation from any of the original 11 ritviks. But that you have no idea about, so you ramble here aimlessly.
1) Hansadutta has ALSO denied Srila Prabhupada was given poison although the EVIDENCE is VERY clear:
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47921
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47931
How to understand the poisoning of Srila Prabhupada’s body and his disappearance?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47943
2) Hansadutta’s Ritvik does NOT understand what is Ritvik July 9th 1977 Order from Srila Prabhupada:
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/Ham100208.htm
and here, again, Srila Prabhupada answers your ideas. for you these are useless comments, but a sincere devotee will see immediately where you´re at:
Letter to: Hanuman — Bombay 4 October, 1973 :
Now just as all my other disciples are doing, you take care that they follow very faithfully chanting of 16 rounds daily, and following all of the rules and principles of Krishna conscious very strictly. You should immediately send their beads for chanting on to Karandhara das Adhikari in Los Angeles who is one of the senior disciples I have authorized to chant on beads. Then, after receiving the beads back from Karandhara you can hold a fire ceremony and perform the sacrifice as you have seen me doing so many times.
Letter to: Vaikunthanatha, Saradia — Bombay 4 April, 1971 :
Ask your wife to chant this mantra and you hear it and if possible hold a fire ceremony as you have seen during your marriage and get this sacred thread on your body. Saradia, or ANY twice-initiated DEVOTEE, may perform the ceremony.
(note: ¨devotee¨ is singular. ONE PERSON)
Letter to: Bhagavat Asraya — Mayapur 13 March, 1977
Now you may perform the Agnihotra on Rama Navami as you have proposed. The first initiate should vow to always follow the regulative principles and chant at least sixteen rounds daily. The brahmanas should be explained the qualities of brahminical life and be allowed to hear the gayatri tape in the right ear after the ceremony. The best way to instruct the initiates is by your own good example.
Letter to: Revatinandana — Bombay 4 January, 1973 :
Please accept my blessings. Just now I have received some more requests for giving first initiation from Dhananjaya, and now I am receiving weekly not less than ten to fifteen such requests from new students. So it is becoming very expensive to send so many sets of beads such long distance, and it has become little bothersome for me also, so I think now you may be appointed by me to give first initiations to new disciples by chanting on their beads on my behalf. In America Kirtanananda Swami is going that. So now if there are two of you that will give me great relief. Kirtanananda will chant on the beads for new devotees in America, Canada, like that, you can chant on the beads for the European continent new disciples. They shall, of course, still be considered as my disciples, not that they shall become your disciples, but you will be empowered by me to chant their beads and that is the same effect of binding master and disciple as if I were personally chanting. They may continue to send me their letters of request, along the President’s recommendation, and I shall give them name and it will be entered by my Secretary in our records, only I will send my letter of reply to you and you will purchase beads there and chant them and send, along with my letter to the new initiates. Is that all right?
Letter to: Gurudasa — Los Angeles 22 June,
I have informed Hamsaduta that the five students in Hamburg who are now ready to receive Gayatri may do so when they visit your London temple during Rathayatra celebration. So I think you know all the procedures by now and you may give them the Gayatri as I have already prescribed by using the tape record of the mantras and performing the fire sacrifice.
Letter to: Bibhu — Los Angeles 21 May, 1972 :
I think my secretary has recently sent one copy of Gayatri Mantra for Kutila dasi and enclosed herewith please find one sacred thread and one copy of Gayatri Mantra for Mahendra dasa. EITHER YOU OR Ranadhira can hold a fire sacrifice and present sacred threads to Kutila and Mahendra.
Letters : 1974 Correspondence : August : Letter to: Abhirama: — Vrindaban 16 August, 1974 : 74-08-16 :
As you have suggested, you may hold a fire sacrifice and the beads may be chanted upon by Rupanuga Prabhu. You should impress upon the new disciples that they are taking vows before Radha and Krsna, the spiritual master, and the Vaisnavas. They must always chant at least 16 rounds daily and avoid the four sinful activities.
Letters : 1974 Correspondence : August : Letter to: Mahamsa: — Vrindaban 16 August, 1974 : 74-08-16 :
You may hold a fire sacrifice and chant on their beads and impress upon them they are taking vows before Radha and Krsna, the spiritual master, and the Vaisnavas. They must always chant 16 rounds daily and avoid the four sinful activities.
The Rtviks ceremony was and / or is conducted by the qualified Brahma-Vadis, followers of the Vedic principles for performing sacrifices as explained in the SB. 8.23.13 which reads as ;
TRANSLATION
” Hari, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Nārāyaṇa, thereafter addressed Śukrācārya, who was sitting nearby in the midst of the assembly with the priests [brahma, hotā, udgātā and adhvaryu]. O Mahārāja Parīkṣit, these priests were all brahma-vādīs, followers of the Vedic principles for performing sacrifices. “.
OM TAT SAT
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
“From my side I have already referred to what Srila Prabhupada said to me when I , As a BBT trustee, suggested that we revert back to his original Indian publication of Srimad Bhagavatam ‘No, whatever Hayagriva has done is perfect, I have full faith in him as the editor of my books.’ This is all I need to Know, who is a greater authority than Srila Prabhupada, about the books of Srila Prabhupada ? Jayadvaita?, Akruranath?, or anyone else?” – Hansadutta
I wonder what Hansadutta would say about tiny Purujit’s editing project? What would Gargamuni say?
Purujit knows what they would say. But of course, Purujit only takes advice if it suits his ambition for adoration and distinction. If it doesn’t, he could care less for you.
So please spare us the “Purujit was recommended by Hansadutta” speech. Purujit recommended Purujit.