The Guru Is A Pure Devotee!

The Guru Is A Pure Devotee

The Guru Is A Pure Devotee!

BY: MADHUDVISA DAS

During Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence there was no confusion in ISKCON over the qualifications and qualities of a bona fide guru. Srila Prabhupada was personally present and he exhibited all the qualities perfectly and all the devotees understood the spiritual master was a pure devotee. That’s what Srila Prabhupada demonstrated by his personal actions, that’s what he wrote in his books, that’s what he preached in his classes and that’s what the devotees understood and accepted.

The spiritual master is a transparent via-medium to Krishna. His words are non-different from Krishna’s, hearing him is just as good as hearing Krishna personally. And his words are absolute and perfect because he is not presenting his own ideas, he is simply repeating what Krishna and the previous acaryas have said in a way suitable for the understanding of the audience. He’s not changing the message, adulterating it or adding in any ideas of his own, he’s presenting Krishna’s words and Krishna’s philosophy AS IT IS.

Yasodanandana: Before you came, many gurus came, but they did not make any pure devotee of Krsna.Prabhupada: How they can? HE IS NOT PURE DEVOTEE OF KRSNA. HOW CAN HE DO? Krsna-sakti vina nahe nama pracara: “WITHOUT BEING EMPOWERED BY KRSNA NOBODY CAN TURN A PERSON TO BECOME DEVOTEE OF KRSNA.” It is not… ARTIFICIALLY, YOU CANNOT MAKE. HE MAY MAKE A SHOW of gold manufacturing, but HE CANNOT MAKE A DEVOTEE OF KRSNA. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. (750203mw.haw)

“…Because ONE WHO HAS UNDERSTOOD KRSNA PERFECTLY… THIS IS THE QUALIFICATION OF GURU. So that qualification, to attain, is not very difficult. BUT BECAUSE WE ARE RASCALS, WE DO NOT TRY TO TAKE THE QUALIFICATION. THAT QUALIFICATION IS VERY SIMPLE. One… Who can understand Krsna? KRSNA IS NOT SO CHEAP THING. He has said already that yatatam api siddhanam kascin mam vetti tattvatah. SO IT IS NOT VERY EASY. BUT IT IS VERY EASY IF YOU TAKE THE PROCESS, easiest process. What is that easiest process? That easiest process: YOU DON’T TALK NONSENSE; YOU SIMPLY TALK WHAT KRSNA HAS SAID. THAT’S ALL. And many times they give me very great credit that I have done wonderful. Yes, I have done wonderful. But what is the reason? Because I AM NOT A RASCAL. I SPEAK WHAT KRSNA HAS SPOKEN. THAT’S ALL. VERY EASY. EVERYONE CAN DO THAT. NOT ONLY I. ANY OF YOU, YOU CAN DO THIS. SIMPLY SPEAK what is…, WHAT KRSNA HAS SAID. That’s all. DON’T MAKE ADDITION, ALTERATION. Then you become rascal. Immediately you become rascal.” (740810SB.VRN)

Of course a bona fide guru is free from all material desires and always relishing transcendental bliss on the spiritual platform. He no longer has any attachment to the material world at all. He is enjoying a higher, spiritual taste. He’s always thinking of Krishna and Krishna’s pastimes, he’s always chanting Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. He’s very anxious to use every moment in Krishna’s service, therefore he does not like to waste even a second without thinking of Krishna and doing some practical service for Krishna. Therefore he does not sleep very much or eat very much. He considers sleeping a great waste of time and tries to minimise it as much as possible and he respects Krishna’s prasadam, but he relishes seeing his disciples and the fallen conditioned souls enjoying Krishna’s prasadam more than enjoying eating it himself. His pleasure is in seeing his disciples prepare and offer sumptuous, first-class food to Krishna and to see that sumptuous prasadam distributed to the fallen conditioned souls.

“…Therefore real, steady bhava is definitely displayed in the matter of CESSATION OF MATERIAL DESIRES (ksanti), UTILISATION OF EVERY MOMENT IN THE TRANSCENDENTAL LOVING SERVICE OF THE LORD (avyartha-kalatvam), EAGERNESS FOR GLORIFYING THE LORD CONSTANTLY (nama-gane sada ruci), ATTRACTION FOR LIVING IN THE LAND OF THE LORD (pritis tad-vasati sthale), COMPLETE DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL HAPPINESS (virakti), and PRIDELESSNESS (mana-sunyata). One who has developed all these transcendental qualities is really possessed of the bhava stage, AS DISTINGUISHED FROM THE STONEHEARTED IMITATOR OR MUNDANE DEVOTEE.” (SB 2.3.24)

“This is the injunction, Vedic. If you want to know things which is beyond your conception, beyond your sense perception, then you must approach a bona fide spiritual master. What is the symptom of bona fide spiritual master? EVERYONE WANTS TO BECOME SPIRITUAL MASTER. So that is also stated. Sabde pare ca nisnatam. One who has taken complete bath in the ocean of the Vedic literature, sabde pare ca nisnatam. Just like if you take bath, you become refreshed. If you take nice bath, you feel refreshed. Sabde pare ca nisnatam. Without refreshness, one cannot understand this sublime subject matter. And the guru, or the spiritual master, should be refreshed by taking bath in the ocean of Vedic knowledge. And what is the result? Sabde pare ca nisnatam brahmany upasamasrayam. By, after such cleanliness, he has taken shelter of the Supreme Absolute Truth, without any material desires. HE HAS NO MORE ANY MATERIAL DESIRES; HE’S SIMPLY INTERESTED IN KRSNA, or the Absolute Truth. These are the symptoms of guru, or spiritual master.” (720908BG.PIT)

“…There may be many great souls–jnanis, yogisBhaktas, or pure devotees, are also called great souls–-but THEY ARE VERY RARELY FOUND. One can find many great souls amongst yogis and jnanis, but a truly great soul, A PURE DEVOTEE OF THE LORD, WHO IS FULLY SURRENDERED TO THE LORD, IS VERY RARELY FOUND (sa mahatma sudurlabhah, Bg. 7.19). A DEVOTEE’S MIND IS ALWAYS CALM, QUIET AND DESIRELESS because he is always anyabhilasita-sunyam, HAVING NO DESIRE OTHER THAN TO SERVE KRSNA as His personal servant, friend, father, mother or conjugal lover. Due to his association with Krsna, a devotee is always very calm and cool…” (SB 4.24.20)

“‘A SOBER PERSON WHO CAN TOLERATE THE URGE TO SPEAK, THE MIND’S DEMANDS, THE ACTIONS OF ANGER, AND THE URGES OF THE TONGUE, BELLY, AND GENITALS IS QUALIFIED TO MAKE DISCIPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD.’ In this verse Rupa Gosvami mentions six “pushings” (vegam). This pushing is a kind of impetus. For instance, when nature calls, we have to go to the toilet, and we cannot check this urge. So this urge is called vegam, a kind of pushing. According to Rupa Gosvami, there are six vegams. Vaco vegam is the urge to talk unnecessarily. That is a kind of pushing of the tongue. Then there is krodha-vegam, the urge to become angry. When we are pushed to anger, we cannot check ourselves, and sometimes men become so angry that they commit murder. Similarly, the mind is pushing, dictating, “You must go there at once,” and we immediately go where we are told. The word jihva-vegam refers to the tongue’s being urged to taste palatable foods. Udara-vegam refers to the urges of the belly. Although the belly is full, it still wants more food, and that is a kind of pushing of the belly. And when we yield to the pushings of the tongue and the belly, the urges of the genitals become very strong, and sex is required. If one does not control his mind or his tongue, how can he control his genitals? In this way, there are so many pushings, so much so that the body is a kind of pushing machine. Rupa Gosvami therefore tells us that ONE CAN BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER ONLY WHEN HE CAN CONTROL ALL THESE URGES.” (PoP 5)

After Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance from our mundane vision in 1977 the GBC (in conjunction with senior members of the Gaudiya Math) concocted the “Zonal Acarya System,” claiming Srila Prabhupada appointed eleven acaryas as his successors. They continued to preach the same “Guru-Tattva” Srila Prabhupada taught us and showed us by his personal example, claiming that Srila Prabhupada’s “successors” were on the same level of spiritual advancement as him. Unfortunately, the new “Acaryas” were not actually as advanced as Srila Prabhupada and could not live their lives according to the philosophy or exhibit the symptoms of a pure devotee so the whole thing was a fas. Any devotee who noticed this and mentioned something was immediately branded an “envious snake,” an offender of the “pure devotee” and treated accordingly (bashed, sometimes killed, blasphemed, thrown out and banned from all ISKCON temples, etc.) The same treatment was given to any initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada who was not prepared to surrender to and worship the “Zonal Acarya” [his godbrother] as if he was his spiritual master!

Gosani means gosvami. A person who has full control over the senses and mind is called a gosvami or gosani. ONE WHO DOES NOT HAVE SUCH [SENSE] CONTROL IS CALLED GODASA, OR A SERVANT OF THE SENSES, AND CANNOT BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER. A spiritual master who actually has control over the mind and senses is called gosvami.” (Adi 7.13)

From the beginning, any intelligent person could see these men were not the acaryas and pure devotees described in Srila Prabhupada’s books at all. Of course they may have been sincere devotees, but they falsely elevated themselves to a very high position without any authority and without the necessary purity, realization or spiritual advancement and violently suppressed any of their godbrothers who objected. It’s human nature that when one is elevated to a very high post he thinks he’s qualified to accept it. I just read that yesterday in the Sri Caitanya-caritmrta. When Sanatana Gosvami was in prison and was trying to get out by bribing the prison officer who was a Muslim he addressed him as a great holy man and a very advanced scholar of the Koran and Srila Prabhupada says in his purport that it appears Sanatana Gosvami was trying to cheat the jail officer:

“It appears from this statement that Sanatana Gosvami, who was formerly a minister of the Nawab, was trying to cheat the Mohammedan superintendent. A jail superintendent had only an ordinary education, or practically no education, and he was certainly not supposed to be very advanced in spiritual knowledge. However, just to satisfy him, Sanatana Gosvami praised him as a very learned scholar of the Scriptures. THE JAILKEEPER COULD NOT DENY THAT HE WAS A LEARNED SCHOLAR BECAUSE WHEN ONE IS ELEVATED TO AN EXALTED POSITION, ONE THINKS ONESELF FIT FOR THAT POSITION…” (Madhya 20.6)

“So these are to be practiced. Etan vegan yo visaheta dhirah: ‘One who has become successful in controlling the urges of all these things,’ prthivim sa sisyat, ‘now he’s free to make disciples all over the world.’ And they’re not, that… I CANNOT CONTROL EVEN MY TONGUE AND CONTROL MY GENITAL, AND I BECOME SPIRITUAL MASTER? THIS IS NONSENSE. THIS IS NONSENSE. YOU LEARN FIRST OF ALL. TRY TO CONTROL. BECOME FIRST-CLASS CONTROLLER, dhirah. That is called dhirah, not disturbed by any urges. Etan vegan yo visaheta dhirah. Dhiras tatra na muhyati. This word is used, dhirah. DHIRAH MEANS VERY SOBER, FULLY CONTROLLED. That is called dhirah. Dhiras tatra na muhyati. UNLESS YOU BECOME DHIRAH, YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS SPIRITUAL LIFE. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Therefore Krsna says in the Bhagavad-gita, tatha dehantara-praptir dhiras tatra na muhyati. Dhiras tatra na muhyati.” (740116SB.HAW)

There were a number of visits to one of Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers by some members of the GBC soon after Srila Prabhupada’s disappearance and some reports suggest he told them that they were qualified to be acarya’s, just like Srila Prabhupada. Of course there is a possibility he was trying to cheat the leaders of Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON, knowing well the appointment of unqualified men as Acarya had destroyed the Gaudiya Math and it was sure to have the same effect on ISKCON…

“..In the latter days of my Guru Maharaja he was very disgusted. Actually, he left this world earlier, otherwise he would have continued to live for more years. Still he requested his disciples to form a strong Governing body for preaching the cult of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. HE NEVER RECOMMENDED ANYONE TO BE ACARYA OF THE GAUDIYA MATH. BUT Sridhara Maharaja IS RESPONSIBLE FOR DISOBEYING THIS ORDER of Guru Maharaja, and he and others who are already dead unnecessarily thought that there must be one acarya. IF GURU MAHARAJA COULD HAVE SEEN SOMEONE WHO WAS QUALIFIED AT THAT TIME TO BE ACARYA HE WOULD HAVE MENTIONED… SO Sridhara Maharaja and his two associate gentlemen UNAUTHORIZEDLY SELECTED ONE ACARYA AND LATER IT PROVED A FAILURE. THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. In some of the camps the acarya is being changed three times a year. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP….

But the GBC did not care to follow Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions and immediately after his disappearance they were off to the Gaudiya Matha for “advice” on how the initiations for new devotees should go on. And they came back puffed-up and thinking they were just like Srila Prabhupada and they appointed themselves “acaryas” “just like Prabhupada”…

THE JAILKEEPER COULD NOT DENY THAT HE WAS A LEARNED SCHOLAR BECAUSE WHEN ONE IS ELEVATED TO AN EXALTED POSITION, ONE THINKS ONESELF FIT FOR THAT POSITION…”

“In the Bhagavad-gita (18.5), Krsna clearly states that sacrifice, charity, and penance are never to be given up by a transcendentalist. If he is at all intelligent he must continue these three activities, even if he is highly elevated. A DEVOTEE IS NATURALLY VERY HUMBLE, AND EVEN IF HE IS HIGHLY ELEVATED HE DOES NOT CONSIDER HIMSELF TO BE SO. A practical example is found in the life of the author of the Caitanya-caritamrta, Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami. He was a vastly learned scholar and a first-class devotee, yet he still referred to himself as the lowest of mankind, lower than the bacteria in the stool. He wrote that he was so sinful that no one should even utter his name, lest that person fall down! Of course, when a great devotee speaks this way, we should not believe that he is actually in the lower status of life; we should rather take it as evidence that out of humility A PURE DEVOTEE NEVER THINKS HE IS ELEVATED. HE ALWAYS THINKS HE IS IN THE LOWEST STATUS OF SPIRITUAL LIFE.” (NBS 13)

So we all know the result of the “Zonal Acarya” system… Tens of thousands of innocent devotees were fooled into thinking these men were appointed by Srila Prabhupada as his successors and if one did not surrender to the “Zonal Acarya” and serve him in every way he was an “envious snake” and was disobeying Srila Prabhupada. So these acaryas collected disciples, not on the strength of their own preaching and purity, but on the strength and purity of Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada attracts and convinces new devotees by their reading of his books and by the association and preaching of sincere devotees who are actually following Srila Prabhupada. Once the new devotees were attracted by Srila Prabhupada the Zonal Acaryas took over and stopped them from worshiping Srila Prabhupada in any way, shape or form, and forced them to direct that worship to them INSTEAD. Unfortunately they were not transparent via-mediums to Krishna as Srila Prabhupada is. Therefore instead of understanding the offerings and service of their disciples were not meant for their sense gratification, rather their position was to offer whatever their disciples offered to them to Srila Prabhupada, then Srila Prabhupada would offer it to Srila Bhaktsiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur and so on up to Krishna, they hijacked the offerings and service of their disciples and enjoyed themselves!

“OTHERWISE DON’T TRY TO BECOME GURU. Impersonalists, half-understood, partially understood, HE CANNOT BECOME GURU. This is the Caitanya Mahaprabhu’s formula. Therefore FIRST OF ALL TRY TO UNDERSTAND KRSNA. YOU WILL UNDERSTAND IN SUCH A WAY THAT YOU CAN REFUTE ALL OTHERS’ ARGUMENT, ALL OTHERS’ OPPOSITION. THERE ARE SO MANY OPPOSING ELEMENTS. THEN YOU ARE GURU. OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT BECOME A GURU. GURU IS NOT SO TEENY THING OR TRIFLE THING THAT EVERYONE BECOMES GURU MAHARAJA, no. THAT IS NOT GURU. Sa mahatma… Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah. (750128BG.TOK)

“One who cannot deliver his dependents from the path of repeated birth and death should never become a spiritual master, a father, a husband, a mother or a worshipable demigod.” (770217rc.may)

“…The conditioned souls, therefore, must hear with appreciation and devotion the Lord’s pastimes in relationship with the external energy, and such acts are as good as the hearing of rasa-lila in the liberated stage. A CONDITIONED SOUL SHOULD NOT IMITATE THE ACTIVITIES OF LIBERATED SOULS. Lord Sri Caitanya never indulged in hearing the rasa-lila with ordinary men.” (SB 2.7.53)

The result was all the sincere devotees who were fooled into thinking it was Srila Prabhupada who wanted them to surrender to these men and serve them, and who thought they were serving Srila Prabhupada and Krishna by serving them, did not get the results they expected from their “devotional service.” Because the result of serving a person who is materially interested is NOT NOT NOT the same as the result of serving a pure devotee. One is the path to hell and the other is the path back home, back to Godhead

“Those who are always engaged in bhajana–Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare–-they are mahatmas. Mahatmanas tu mam partha daivim prakrtim asritah, bhajanty ananya-manasah. This is bhajana–-Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama… There is mahatma. So mahat-sevam dvaram ahur vimukteh. IF YOU SERVE SUCH A MAHATMA, JUST LIKE HARIDASA THAKURA, WHO IS ALWAYS ENGAGED IN CHANTING HARE KRSNA, HARE KRSNA, THEN YOUR PATH OF LIBERATION IS OPEN. And tamo-dvaram ahur yositam sangi-sangam. AND IF YOU ASSOCIATE WITH MATERIALISTIC PERSONS WHO ARE AFTER SENSE GRATIFICATION, then your tamo-dvaramTHAT IS THE WAY TO DARKNESS. The life’s business is not tamo-dvaram. Tamasi ma jyotir gama. Jyotir gama, go to the light. Don’t remain in… This is Vedic instruction.” (741120SB.BOM)

So these devotees serving Srila Prabhupada’s “successors” found, even thought they were sincerely following the process of Krishna consciousness to their best ability, their material desires were increasing rather than decreasing… For that is the result of serving someone who has material desires…

“Therefore, THE GURU IS ALWAYS ENGAGED IN CHANTING. Mahaprabhoh kirtana-nrtya-gita-–chanting and dancing. UNLESS HE PERFORMS IT HIMSELF, HOW CAN HE TEACH HIS DISCIPLES? So his first symptom is that he will give you such instructions that IMMEDIATELY YOU WILL FEEL RELIEF FROM ALL ANXIETY, and his second symptom is that HE IS ALWAYS PERSONALLY ENGAGED IN CHANTING THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD AND DANCING. Mahaprabhoh kirtana-nrtya-gita vaditra-madyan-manaso rasena–-the spiritual master enjoys transcendental bliss within his mind by chanting and dancing. Unless you become blissful, you cannot dance. You cannot dance artificially. When devotees dance, it is not artificial. They feel some transcendental bliss, and therefore they dance. It is not that they are dancing dogs. No. Their dancing is performed from the spiritual platform… “The spiritual master is always thinking of the pastimes of Krsna with His consort–-Srimati Radharani–-and the gopis. Sometimes he is thinking about Krsna’s pastimes with the cowherd boys. This means that he is always thinking of Krsna engaged in some kind of pastime. Pratiksanasvadana-lolupasya. Pratiksana means he is thinking that way twenty-four hours a day. That is Krsna consciousness. ONE MUST BE ENGAGED TWENTY-FOUR HOURS A DAY IN THINKING OF KRSNA. You have to make yourself a program like this. We, at least, have made such a program–-ALL THE BOYS AND GIRLS IN THE KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT ARE ENGAGED TWENTY-FOUR HOURS DAILY–not just officially, not that once a week they meditate or go to some temple. No, THEY ENGAGE TWENTY-FOUR HOURS A DAY.” (JSD 4.2)

So it was very difficult. Most devotees blamed themselves for their inability to follow the process and principles and gradually fell down from the regulative principles and left the movement disappointed, frustrated and bewildered, not really understanding what went wrong at all.

“Just like anger, tongue. then jihva-vegam. Then udara-vegam. From tongue come little down. Udara means belly. The belly is already filled up, still I want to fill it more. That is called vegam, pushing of the belly. And when there is so much pushing of the tongue and pushing of the belly, the next underneath the genital, there is force of the genital. Then I require some sex. If I eat more, if I use my tongue unnecessarily, if I allow my mind to do anything and everything, then I cannot check my genital also. There will be sex urge which I cannot check. In this way there are so many pushing. Rupa Gosvami says ONE WHO HAS CONTROL OVER ALL THIS PUSHING MACHINE, HE CAN BECOME SPIRITUAL MASTER. NOT THAT SPIRITUAL MASTER IS MANUFACTURED. ONE HAS TO LEARN THIS. How to check the pushing of these things. Etan vegan yo visaheta dhirah. ONE WHO CAN CONTROL OVER THESE PUSHINGS AND REMAIN DHIRAH, STEADY, prthivim sa sisyat: HE CAN MAKE DISCIPLES ALL OVER THE WORLD. Open. Yes. (690218BG.LA)

Gradually it became so obvious the “Zonal Acaryas” were not qualified and the whole system collapsed. The “solution,” dreamt up by an ISKCON sannyasi and a disciple of one of Srila Prabhupada’s godbrothers, was to invent a new type of “guru.” They conceived of a “guru” who would be under the jurisdiction of the GBC, who was not absolute, who could break the regulative principles, yet still remain a “bona fide ISKCON guru”, who didn’t have to chant 16 rounds even or get out of bed for Mangala Aroti, who didn’t have to exhibit any of the symptoms of a guru clearly mentioned in Srila Prabhupada’s books, and above all ISKCON would no longer take any responsibility at all for any of these “gurus”. There was to be no guarantee to devotees at all that these “bona fide ISKCON gurus” were even devotees in good standing!! Let the buyer beware! This is the current ISKCON guru system…

Under this system the GBC is quite happy to approve any disciple of Srila Prabhupada as a “guru” as long as they have some “aspiring disciples” and there are no serious objections from the Temple Presidents or the GBC… There is apparently no other qualification…

Now the GBC quite openly hold “GBC appraisals” and “guru appraisals” and also warn and suspend gurus to indicate to their disciples that it’s time to start thinking about getting “reinitiated” yet again… The GBC publish the findings of their appraisals informing us that many of their “Gurus” and GBC’s are not even able to come up to the basic standard that was expected of a new bhakta who wanted to live in a temple in Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence. Then it was very clear that to live in the temple it was required all devotees actually follow the four regulative principles [no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication], if they couldn’t follow they couldn’t stay in the temple. All the devotees [even the married ones] got out of bed before 4:00am, took bath and attended the whole morning program [Mangala-aroti, Tulsi-puja, chanting japa, Deity Greeting, Srila Prabhupada’s Guru-puja, Kirtana, Class, Kirtana, Prasadam] and everyone voluntarily agreed to be engaged FULL TIME in some service for the pleasure of Srila Prabhupada and Krishna [most often distributing Srila Prabhupada’s books]…. Actually this is the medicine to cure the disease we are all suffering from in the material world. This is sadhana-bhakti, Krishna consciousness… This material disease is so acute that if we don’t engage in Krishna consciousness 24 hours a day, Maya is so strong she will divert us from the path, back home, back to Godhead.

“As Brahma, the first created being, had to undergo tapasya to get information from the Supreme… The Supreme Lord is within you. He’s there. But He will advise. When you are fixed up by tapasya, determined with vow, then He will talk to you. He’s ready to talk, but you require to acquire the qualification to hear Him. And what is that qualification? This Krsna consciousness, devotional service. As it is said in the Bhagavad-gita, tesam satata-yuktanam bhajatam priti-purvakam. Such persons… Tesam satata-yuktanam. SATATA MEANS ALWAYS, TWENTY-FOUR HOURS, NOT THAT FIVE MINUTES I MEDITATE AND REST OF THE TIME I LIVE LIKE CATS AND DOGS. No. This kind of meditation will not help you. Krsna says, satata. Satata means twenty-four hours. YOU HAVE TO MOLD YOUR LIFE IN SUCH A WAY THAT TWENTY-FOUR HOURS YOU’LL THINK OF KRSNA. THIS IS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. IF YOU THINK, ‘NOW I HAVE CHANTED MY SIXTEEN ROUNDS. NOW I’VE FINISHED MY BUSINESS. NOW I CAN DO WHATEVER NONSENSE I LIKE, ‘NO’. KRSNA SAYS NO. Satata. THEREFORE WE HAVE TO PLAN OUR LIFE IN SUCH A WAY THAT WE HAVEN’T GOT ANY OTHER ENGAGEMENT THAN SERVICE OF KRSNA. THIS IS REQUIRED. Tesam satata-yuktanam. SATATA MEANS TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. Yukta means engaged. WHAT FOR? What is that engagement? Bhajatam. Bhajatam, bhaja sevayam: TO SERVE KRSNA. Bhajatam. How? Priti-purvakam. Not that ‘Oh, Krsna has said. All right, let me do.’ No. WITH LOVE AND AFFECTION. Then you’ll get attachment. UNLESS YOU DEVELOP LOVE FOR KRSNA, YOU CANNOT BE ENGAGED TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Therefore it is said, priti-purvakam: NOT OFFICIALLY, BUT WITH LOVE. If you acquire this qualification, then you will talk with Krsna who is within your heart.” (750403CC.MAY)

“According to your recommendation I am accepting for second initiation Amala-harinama das Brahmacari and Viraja dasi. Now hold a fire ceremony for attendance of devotees only. YOU MUST BE SURE THAT THESE DEVOTEES ARE VERY STRICTLY FOLLOWING THE REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES AND CHANTING A MINIMUM OF SIXTEEN ROUNDS DAILY. THEY MUST BE FULLY ENGAGED IN DEVOTIONAL SERVICE, 24 HOURS PER DAY. Please find enclosed two gayatri mantra sheets and one sacred thread. After the fire sacrifice, play the tape of me reciting the gayatri mantra into the right ear of these initiates and show them how to count on their fingers.” (76-10-24.Rad)

“…A PURE DEVOTEE MUST ENGAGE IN THE SERVICE OF THE LORD TWENTY-FOUR HOURS A DAY, WITHOUT CESSATION; HIS LIFE IS SO MOLDED THAT AT EVERY MINUTE AND EVERY SECOND HE ENGAGES IN SOME SORT OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE TO THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD.” (SB 3.29.11-12)

“Thus discussion of Srimad-Bhagavatam, which describes the character and pastimes of devotees and the Lord, is very quickly effective. The International Society for Krishna Consciousness has been organised for this purpose. IN EVERY CENTER OF THIS SOCIETY–-NOT ONLY IN THE MORNING, EVENING OR NOON, BUT PRACTICALLY TWENTY-FOUR HOURS A DAY–-THERE IS CONTINUOUS DEVOTIONAL SERVICE GOING ON. Anyone who comes in contact with the Society automatically becomes a devotee. We have actual experience that many karmis and others come to the Society and find a very pleasing and peaceful atmosphere in the temples of ISKCON.” (SB 4.12.48)

“‘King Ambarisa always fixed his mind on the lotus feet of the Lord and talked of Him only.’ (Bhag. 9.4.19) We should also take this opportunity in life to become as good as a great saint simply by NOT TALKING UNNECESSARILY WITH UNWANTED PERSONS. WE SHOULD EITHER TALK OF KRSNA OR CHANT HARE KRSNA UNDEVIATINGLY. This is called muni-vrata. The intelligence must be very sharp (samahita-dhiyah) and should always be acting in Krsna consciousness. The words etad abhyasatadrtah indicate that if one takes these instructions from a spiritual master with great reverence (adrta) and practices them accordingly, he will find this bhakti-yoga process to be very, very easy.” (SB 4.24.71)

“This Krsna consciousness movement is therefore the greatest boon to humanity because it keeps one always engaged in Krsna’s service. THE DEVOTEES THINK OF KRSNA, ACT FOR KRSNA, EAT FOR KRSNA, SLEEP FOR KRSNA AND WORK FOR KRSNA. THUS EVERYTHING IS ENGAGED IN THE SERVICE OF KRSNA. A total life in Krsna consciousness saves one from material contamination.” (SB 4.30.19)

“Why should you try for any hard process? Simply chant Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare. Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. And YOU CAN CHANT TWENTY-FOUR HOURS A DAY. THERE ARE NO RULES OR REGULATIONS. EITHER IN THE STREET OR IN THE SUBWAY, AT YOUR HOME OR IN YOUR OFFICE–THERE IS NO TAX, NO EXPENSE. WHY DON’T YOU DO IT?” (JSD 5.2)

“Asakrt means continuously. NOT THAT PERFORM KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS FIFTEEN MINUTES’ MEDITATION, AND THEN DO ALL NONSENSE THINGS, TWENTY-FOUR HOURS. NO, NO, NO, NO. NOT THAT KIND OF… TWENTY-FOUR HOURS ENGAGED IN KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, THAT IS WANTED. That is called asakrt. Twenty-four. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR FORMULA OF LIFE IN SUCH A WAY THAT NOT A SINGLE MOMENT IS GONE WITHOUT KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS.. Avyartha-kalatvam. This is Rupa Gosvami’s… A devotee, A PURE DEVOTEE OF KRSNA, HE ALWAYS SEES: “WHETHER MY TIME IS WASTED UNNECESSARILY?” He should be very much alert: “WHY I’M SLEEPING SO MUCH, WASTING SO MUCH TIME?” That is devotees, Krsna conscious. “OH, I AM WASTING SO MUCH TIME WITHOUT ANY ENGAGEMENT OF KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS?” That is called asakrt.” (741022SB.MAY)

“So we have to STICK TO THESE PRINCIPLES to keep ourselves on the transcendental platform, RISING EARLY IN THE MORNING, OFFER MANGALA ARATI, THEN GRADUALLY, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, ATTENDING CLASS, GURU-PUJA, AND SO ON, SO ON. UP TILL YOU GO TO BED, YOU SHOULD ALWAYS BE ENGAGED. Then you will be above these three gunas…So our these rules and regulation, restriction, means to keep one on the vasudeva platform. We should remember always that. And if you keep yourself on vasudeva platform, these things will not entice you. Otherwise we shall be enticed and fallen down.” (750828SB.VRN)

So this full-time engagement in Krishna consciousness is not fanatical. It’s the ONLY WAY out of the material way of life. In the beginning we may find such “full-time” Krishna consciousness a little austere, but it will purify our heart [if we are serving a pure devotee that is] and the dormant spark of Krishna consciousness will awaken within our hearts and serving Krishna will become transcendental bliss, spiritual ecstasy…

“It is said that one who has unflinching faith in the Supreme Personality of Godhead, which means unflinching faith in the Vaisnava or the pure devotee of the Supreme Lord, develops all the good qualities of the demigods. Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana. sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah (Bhag. 5.18.12). Prahlada Maharaja also said, naisam matis tavad urukramanghrim (Bhag. 7.5.32). UNLESS ONE TAKES THE DUST OF THE LOTUS FEET OF A PURE VAISNAVA ON ONE’S HEAD, ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IS, and unless one knows the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one’s life remains imperfect. A GREAT SOUL WHO HAS FULLY SURRENDERED TO THE SUPREME LORD AFTER UNDERSTANDING HIM FULLY and after repeatedly undergoing austerities and penances for many, many lives IS VERY RARE.” (SB 4.21.43)

“So that is the position of guru. Guru is respected as good as God. Why? Only for this qualification, that HE DOES NOT SPEAK ANYTHING NONSENSE. HE SPEAKS ONLY WHAT HE HAS HEARD FROM THE ACARYA…” (760904SB.VRN)

ISKCON has constantly ignored the point of the GURUS QUALIFICATIONS and advertised so many UNQUALIFIED men as “bona fide ISKCON gurus”… The only “qualification” they have is approval by the GBC… Their argument is “Srila Prabhupada wanted his disciples to become gurus, we are Srila Prabhupada’s disciples therefore we must be the gurus!” But ISKCON have NEVER consider the QUALIFICATIONS of a bona fide guru and checked to see if their “gurus” actually possess all of these QUALIFICATIONS… And now they are very busy trying to concoct a watered-down “guru tattva” to accommodate this…

“…You can thin milk by adding water and you can make it thick by boiling. Now is the time for us to begin the boiling process. Now you know everything how to be a Vaisnava brahmana, now YOU MUST PRACTICE THESE THINGS OR THE WHOLE THING WILL BE A SHOW ONLY. BETTER TO DEVELOP THE SMALL NUMBER OF DEVOTEES WE HAVE, MAKE THEM TRULY KRISHNA CONSCIOUS BOYS AND GIRLS THAN TO GO ON GETTING MANY FOLLOWERS WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND AND PRACTICE THE REAL PRINCIPLES. BETTER ONE MOON THAN MANY STARS. (72-05-09.Dam)

“This is instruction, that anyone who has become competent to control the tongue, to control the mind, to control the anger, to control the belly and control the genital…, if six kind of control is there, he is fit for becoming spiritual master; he can make disciples all over the world. AND IF YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOUR TONGUE, IF YOU CANNOT CONTROL YOUR ANGER, CONTROL YOUR MENTAL CONCOCTION, THEN HOW YOU CAN BECOME EVEN A SPIRITUAL MASTER? THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. Prthivim sa sisyat. One who did… That is called gosvami, gosvami or svami, master of the senses. Master of controlling these six kinds.” (730804BG.LON)

This nonsense watered-down ISKCON philosophy has spoiled everything. What is the use? They’re trying to create sentimental followers of unqualified gurus. They’re trying for a few twinkling stars. But what will a few stars do? It’s completely useless. THE GURU IS A PURE DEVOTEE… What more can I say? Srila Prabhupada has said it all already so many times… Why not listen to him and follow his instructions? That is the path of true auspiciousness and the success of every disciples life…

“It is said that A SINGLE PURE DEVOTEE OF THE LORD CAN DELIVER ALL THE FALLEN SOULS OF THE WORLD. Thus one who is actually in the confidence of a pure devotee like Narada or Sukadeva Gosvami and thus is empowered by one’s spiritual master, as Narada was by Brahmaji, can not only deliver himself from the clutches of maya, or illusion, but CAN DELIVER THE WHOLE WORLD BY HIS PURE AND EMPOWERED DEVOTIONAL STRENGTH…” (SB 2.8.5)

“So sometimes people give me very much credit that I have done wonderful throughout the whole world. But I do not know that I am wonderful man. But I know one thing, that I AM SPEAKING WHAT KRSNA HAS SPOKEN. THAT’S ALL. I AM NOT MAKING ANY ADDITION, ALTERATION. Therefore I am presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is. This credit I can take, that I don’t make any nonsense addition or alteration. And I see practically it has become successful. I have not bribed so many Europeans and Americans. I am poor Indian. I came to America with forty rupees with me, and now I possess forty crores. So there is no magic. So this is the secret, that if you want to become guru honestly… If you want to cheat, that is another thing. There are so many cheaters. People also want to be cheated. As soon as we say that “IF YOU WANT TO BECOME MY DISCIPLE, YOU WILL HAVE TO GIVE UP FOUR THINGS: NO ILLICIT SEX, NO INTOXICATION UP TO DRINKING TEA AND SMOKING CIGARETTE, NO MEAT-EATING AND NO GAMBLING,” and they criticize me, “Swamiji is very conservative.” And if I say that “You can do all nonsense, whatever you like. You simply take this mantra and give me $125,” they will like. Because in America, $125 is nothing. Any man can pay immediately. SO I WOULD HAVE COLLECTED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF I WOULD HAVE CHEATED LIKE THAT. BUT I DO NOT WANT THAT. I WANT ONE STUDENT WHO FOLLOWS MY INSTRUCTION. I DON’T WANT MILLIONS. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara-sahasrasah. If there is one moon in the sky, that is sufficient for illumination. There is no need of millions of stars. SO MY POSITION IS THAT I WANT TO SEE THAT AT LEAST ONE DISCIPLE HAS BECOME PURE DEVOTEE. Of course, I have got many sincere and pure devotees. That is my good luck. But I would have been satisfied if I could find out one only. There is no need of so-called millions of stars.” (750715AR.SF)

Instead of concentrating on creating some pure devotees ISKCON is busy in so many other watered-down money-making projects involving the Hindu Community mainly… For example, the Melbourne Temple in Australia is encouraging their “devotees” to come up to the standard of: (1) Chanting ONE round of the Hare Krishna mantra daily. (2) Reading ONE Verse & Purport of Bhagavad-gita daily.(3) Giving at least ONE DOLLAR A DAY to the temple. (4) Offering ONE hour of service per week. (5) Coming to the temple ONCE a week (Sunday Feast). And the temple president states: “If we can develop a core group of persons committed to these five principles we can increase the spiritual mood and enthusiasm of our whole community beyond our expectations.” So they have their five principles. BUT WHAT ABOUT SRILA PRABHUPADA’S FOUR REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES? There is ABSOLUTELY NO MENTION of them at all… [no illicit sex, no meat-eating, no gambling and no intoxication] And chanting at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra daily? Does anyone remember that principle?

“Well, this is a very difficult job, naturally. We don’t have a large number of followers. AS SOON AS YOU TRY TO SELL A DIAMOND, YOU CANNOT EXPECT MANY CUSTOMERS. NONETHELESS, A DIAMOND IS A DIAMOND, EVEN IF THERE ARE NO CUSTOMERS. The number of customers is not the test. THE CUSTOMER MUST PAY THE VALUE OF THE ITEM. IN THIS SOCIETY WE PROPOSE THAT YOU GIVE UP ILLICIT SEX, MEAT-EATING, INTOXICATION AND GAMBLING. WHEN PEOPLE HEAR THIS, THEY GO AWAY SAYING, ‘OH, SWAMIJI IS VERY CONSERVATIVE.’ But I cannot become liberal and tell everybody, ‘Go ahead and do all nonsense and you can become God conscious.’ I cannot possibly recommend that. THEREFORE MY FIRST CONDITION IS THAT IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BECOME MY STUDENT HE HAS TO FOLLOW THESE FOUR REGULATIVE PRINCIPLES. CONSEQUENTLY I DO NOT HAVE MANY FOLLOWERS, BUT I DO HAVE A SELECT FEW. BECAUSE THEY ARE SELECT, THEY WILL BRING ABOUT A REVOLUTION IN THE WORLD. One moon is sufficient to dissipate darkness. IF THERE IS ONE MOON, THERE IS NO NEED FOR MILLIONS OF STARS. IT IS USELESS TO EXPECT A LARGE NUMBER OF FOLLOWERS. WE WANT ONLY ONE GOOD FOLLOWER. IF I CAN GET ONE MAN TO BECOME KRSNA CONSCIOUS, I WILL CONSIDER MY MISSION FULFILLED. If you talk to whatever small number of followers I have, you will find that they talk better than any great philosopher, better than any scientist or politician. That is the quality of my students. What’s the point in talking nonsense? ONE’S WORDS MAY BE SIMPLE, BUT THEY SHOULD BE VALUABLE. Every day your employer is printing so many newspapers. On Sunday, especially, the paper is so big that one can hardly carry it. But after reading it an hour, people throw it away. Here is this book, BHAGAVAD-GITA, and PEOPLE KEEP IT AND READ IT FOR A LIFETIME, and in this way it has been read for the past 5,000 years. GIVE SUCH LITERATURE AND IT WILL BE TAKEN AND KEPT FOREVER.” (720902iv.nv)

“No, we don’t take that, by number of people. … Ekas candras tamo hanti: ‘IF ONE MAN ACCEPTS, THEN HE CAN BECOME THE BRIGHT MOON.’ Na ca tarah sahasrasah: ‘THE SO-CALLED STARS HAVE NO VALUE.’ ONE MOON IS SUFFICIENT. So our preaching is: Let one man understand Bhagavad-gita As It Is. WE DON’T WANT DISCIPLES. I NEVER COLLECTED DISCIPLES. I NEVER COMPROMISED that “You can do whatever you like, and you become my disciple. “No. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW THIS. Now also, this morning, I accepted so many… ‘First promise whether you are going to do this. Then I initiate.’ This is my policy. IF I WOULD HAVE SAID, ‘NO, YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE, AND GIVE ME SOME MONEY. I SHALL GIVE YOU MANTRA,’ THEN YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN MILLIONS, BUT I ACCEPT VERY SELECTED DISCIPLE, not that anyone, everyone comes, and I accept disciple. No. HE IS FIRST OF ALL TRAINED UP SIX MONTHS. THEN, WHEN HE IS ABLE TO PROMISE TO FOLLOW THE REGULATIVE [PRINCIPLES]….” (750520rc.mel)

“I don’t make any compromise with these rascals. No words. No, no. I never made that. Even if I don’t get any disciples, I’ll be satisfied. But I can’t make any compromise like these rascals. I cannot make. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tara sahasrasah. IF I CREATE ONE MOON, THAT IS SUFFICIENT. I DON’T WANT MANY STARS. THAT WAS MY GURU MAHARAJA’S PRINCIPLE, AND THAT IS MY PRINCIPLE. WHAT IS THE USE OF HAVING NUMBER OF FOOLS AND RASCALS? IF ONE MAN UNDERSTANDS RIGHTLY, HE CAN DELIVER THE WHOLE WORLD.” (740323mw.bom)

“…how to love God. It is not our proposition that you are Christian, you become Hindu, or you are Mohammedan, you become Christian, increase our numerical strength. We don’t want. WE DON’T WANT ANY NUMERICAL STRENGTH. WE WANT ONE SINCERE PERSON WHO HAS LEARNED TO LOVE GOD, KRSNA. That’s all. I have come to your country with this mission, and if I find one or two boys or girls sincerely have learned how to love God, Krsna, then my mission is successful. I’m not after any number of… Because IF I CAN TURN ONE SOUL TO THIS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, HE’LL DO TREMENDOUS WORK, BECAUSE HE’LL BE FIRE. You see? He can do tremendous work. Ekas candras tamo hanti na ca tarah sahasrasah. ONE MOON IS COMPLETE TO DRIVE AWAY THE DARKNESS OF NIGHT, NOT MILLIONS OF STARS REQUIRED. WHAT THESE MILLIONS OF STARS CAN DO? One moon is sufficient. So our propaganda is to create one moon. You see? But fortunately, by Krsna’s grace, many moonlike boys and girls have come to me. You see? Many moons. (chuckles) I was thinking of having only one moon, but Krsna… I AM HOPEFUL THAT THERE ARE MANY MOONS, and in future they’ll be doing very nice. This is para-upakara. To spread this Krsna consciousness movement is the best service to the humanity. Please try to understand this. It is not a bluffing thing. To love God, prema pumartho mahan… Caitanya Mahaprabhu said that the highest achievement in the human form of life is to attain perfectional stage to love God. That is the highest. Not dharmartha-kama-moksa.” (690412LE.NY)

Anyhow we have all seen what the current watered-down unauthorized “Non-Liberated Guru System” has done to ISKCON. I can’t bring myself to describe it. Everyone knows these 100+ “bona fide” ISKCON gurus are not all “bona fide” and serving them is NOT NOT NOT the same as serving Srila Prabhupada… Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not suggesting they’re not devotees or they’re demons or anything like that. They’re just not self-effulgent pure devotee Vaisnava acaryas capable of taking themselves and their disciples back home, back to Godhead. Such a great soul is very, very rare. For ISKCON to present them as such and force innocent bhaktas to take initiation from them knowing well they are not capable of taking them back home, back to Godhead, is the most heinous type of fraud, the greatest criminal activity.

“One also has to associate with such a mahatma who has accepted Krsna as the supreme source of the entire creation. WITHOUT BEING A MAHATMA, ONE CANNOT UNDERSTAND KRSNA’S ABSOLUTE POSITION. A MAHATMA IS RARE AND TRANSCENDENTAL, AND HE IS A PURE DEVOTEE OF LORD KRSNA. Foolish people consider Krsna a human being, and they consider Lord Krsna’s pure devotee an ordinary human being also. Whatever one may be, ONE MUST TAKE SHELTER AT THE LOTUS FEET OF A DEVOTEE MAHATMA AND TREAT HIM AS THE MOST EXALTED WELL-WISHER OF ALL HUMAN SOCIETY. We should take shelter of such a mahatma and ask for his causeless mercy. ONLY BY HIS BENEDICTION CAN ONE BE RELIEVED FROM ATTACHMENT TO A MATERIALISTIC WAY OF LIFE. When one is thus relieved, he can engage in the Lord’s transcendental loving service through the mercy of the mahatma.” (Madhya 22.51)

“The perfection of transcendental life can be achieved simply by touching the holy dust of the lotus feet of a holy man. In the Bhagavatam it is said, mahat-pada-rajo-‘bhisekam, which means to be blessed by the holy dust of the lotus feet of a mahat, a great devotee. As stated in Bhagavad-gita, mahatmanas tu: those who are great souls are under the spell of spiritual energy, and their symptom is that they fully engage in Krsna consciousness for the service of the Lord. Therefore they are called mahat. UNLESS ONE IS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THE DUST OF THE LOTUS FEET OF A MAHATMA ON ONE’S HEAD, THERE IS NO POSSIBILITY OF PERFECTION IN SPIRITUAL LIFE.” (SB 3.22.6)

Accepting a bogus guru is generally the end of one’s spiritual life. If one is fooled into surrendering to an unqualifed person and is cheated by him it’s very difficult to surrender again… The heart is broken, so these ISKCON “gurus,” even though they may think they’re just like Prabhupada and just as good as Prabhupada, should not be allowed to initiate in ISKCON unless they show some potency just like Prabhupada’s potency, unless they are self-effulgent Vaisnava acaryas. We have to see the symptoms first.

“‘ANY PERSON WHO SERIOUSLY DESIRES TO ACHIEVE REAL HAPPINESS MUST SEEK OUT A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER AND TAKE SHELTER OF HIM BY INITIATION. THE QUALIFICATION OF HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER IS THAT HE MUST HAVE REALIZED THE CONCLUSION OF THE SCRIPTURES BY DELIBERATION AND BE ABLE TO CONVINCE OTHERS OF THESE CONCLUSIONS. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, are to be understood as bona fide spiritual masters.’ Similarly, Visvanatha Cakravarti, a great Vaisnava, also advises, yasya prasadad bhagavat-prasadah:’By the mercy of the spiritual master one receives the mercy of Krsna.’ This is the same advice given by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu (guru-krsna-prasade paya bhakti-lata-bija). This is essential. ONE MUST COME TO KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS, AND THEREFORE ONE MUST TAKE SHELTER OF A PURE DEVOTEE. Thus one can become free from the clutches of matter.” (SB 5.14.41)

Just look at what Srila Prabhupada did from 1966-1977, eleven years, and compare his one-man effort to the results of his “successors” preaching from 1977-2017, 40 years. They’ve had four times as long and there are 100+ ISKCON gurus compared to just one Prabhupada! Have they done 100 times as much as Srila Prabhupada? Even combined together have they done as much as Srila Prabhupada? NO NO NO… They have UNDONE almost all the good work done by Srila Prabhupada! They have turned his society, ISKCON, into a completely mundane watered-down religious organization and driven out anyone at all who is seriously interested in strictly following Srila Prabhupada’s instructions. Also they train all the devotees to become offensive toward anyone who wants to seriously follow Srila Prabhupada!

“‘Only unto one who has unflinching devotion to the Lord and to the spiritual master does transcendental knowledge become automatically revealed.’ SUCH RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE DISCIPLE AND THE SPIRITUAL MASTER IS ETERNAL. ONE WHO IS NOW THE DISCIPLE IS THE NEXT SPIRITUAL MASTER. AND ONE CANNOT BE A BONA FIDE AND AUTHORIZED SPIRITUAL MASTER UNLESS ONE HAS BEEN STRICTLY OBEDIENT TO HIS SPIRITUAL MASTER. Brahmaji, as a disciple of the Supreme Lord, received the real knowledge and imparted it to his dear disciple Narada, and similarly Narada, as spiritual master, handed over this knowledge to Vyasa and so on. THEREFORE THE SO-CALLED FORMAL SPIRITUAL MASTER AND DISCIPLE ARE NOT FACSIMILES OF BRAHMA AND NARADA OR NARADA AND VYASA. THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN BRAHMA AND NARADA IS REALITY, WHILE THE SO-CALLED FORMALITY IS THE RELATION BETWEEN THE CHEATER AND CHEATED. It is clearly mentioned herewith that Narada is not only well behaved, meek and obedient, but also self-controlled. ONE WHO IS NOT SELF-CONTROLLED, SPECIFICALLY IN SEX LIFE, CAN BECOME NEITHER A DISCIPLE NOR A SPIRITUAL MASTER. One must have disciplinary training in controlling speaking, anger, the tongue, the mind, the belly and the genitals. One who has controlled the particular senses mentioned above is called a gosvami. Without becoming a gosvami one can become neither a disciple nor a spiritual master. THE SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL MASTER WITHOUT SENSE CONTROL IS CERTAINLY THE CHEATER, AND THE DISCIPLE OF SUCH A SO-CALLED SPIRITUAL MASTER IS THE CHEATED.” (SB 2.9.43)

“…In this verse, yogesvara-upasana means to render service to a pure devotee. Thus Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava-seva nistara payeche keba: WITHOUT SERVING A PURE DEVOTEE, ONE CANNOT ADVANCE IN SPIRITUAL LIFE.” (SB 4.22.22)

Anyhow the ISKCON devotees should wake up and rectify everything and return everything to the way it was in Srila Prabhupada’s physical presence, it’s not too late yet. It’s the last chance really, otherwise ISKCON will no longer exist and Srila Prabhupada’s mission will have to spread in other ways. But it will go on. There’s no stopping it. Even “ISKCON” cannot stop Srila Prabhupada’s mission or his sincere followers, no matter how hard they try.

“Lord Caitanya then asked Ramananda Raya, “Out of many so-called liberated souls, who is actually liberated?” Ramananda replied that HE WHO IS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY SATURATED WITH THE DEVOTIONAL LOVE FOR RADHA AND KRSNA IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE BEST OF ALL LIBERATED PERSONS. It is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam (6.14.4) that A DEVOTEE OF NARAYANA IS SO RARE THAT ONE CAN ONLY FIND HIM OUT OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.” (TLC 32)

So, in summary, since 1977 ISKCON has forced new devotees to give up their relationship with Srila Prabhupada, to stop worshiping Srila Prabhupada [or at least to meditate on their own “Guru” instead of Srila Prabhupada while apparently worshiping Srila Prabhupada!], to stop offering bhoga to Srila Prabhupada, to stop chanting Srila Prabhupada’s pranam mantras, and INSTEAD to take initiation and OFFER EVERYTHING to the institutionalised “ISKCON LIVING GURUS” who ISKCON quite openly admit are generally not pure devotees at all… The result of conditioned souls taking the post of acarya and guru is plain and clear for all to see. These non-liberated ISKCON gurus have NOT been able to “deliver the goods” (pure devotional service to Krishna) to their disciples and in the process Srila Prabhupada’s ISKCON has been destroyed and so many sincere followers of Srila Prabhupada have been branded as “heretics” and bashed, blasphemed and banned from ISKCON temples.

“…In the Garuda Purana IT IS said to be MORE RARE TO BE A FAMOUS DEVOTEE OF THE SUPREME LORD IN THE AGE OF KALI THAN TO BE A DEMIGOD such as Brahma or Lord Siva…” (TLC 32)

The result is tens of thousands of devotees spiritual lives have been servery damaged and the whole world is now without any association of pure devotees dedicated to practicing and preaching pure devotional service as taught by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.

“Thus Lord Caitanya told Sanatana Gosvami that ALL SCRIPTURES STRESS ASSOCIATION WITH PURE DEVOTEES OF THE GODHEAD. THE OPPORTUNITY TO ASSOCIATE WITH A PURE DEVOTEE OF THE SUPREME LORD IS THE BEGINNING OF ONE’S COMPLETE PERFECTION. This is also confirmed in Srimad-Bhagavatam (1.18.13) where it is said that the facilities and benedictions which one achieves by association with a pure devotee are incomparable. They cannot be compared to anything–-neither elevation to the heavenly kingdom nor liberation from material energy. Lord Krsna also confirms this in the most confidential instruction in Bhagavad-gita…:” (TLC 11)

There are thousands of relevant quotes from Srila Prabhupada’s books, letters, classes, etc. I would like to put in here but if I put in thousands of quotes who will read it? So my humble request is that you please read and hear all Srila Prabhupada’s books, letters, classes, conversations, etc. for yourself. It’s the most wonderful thing. Personal association with a real bona fide pure devotee!

“…This is simply a bodily concern. Here Dhruva Maharaja plainly says that a devotee has no more bodily interest. HE KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT THE BODY. From the very beginning, therefore, without wasting time in bodily exercises, A DEVOTEE SEARCHES OUT A PURE DEVOTEE and simply by his association becomes more advanced in spiritual consciousness than any yogi. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE KNOWS THAT HE IS NOT THE BODY, HE IS NEVER AFFECTED BY BODILY HAPPINESS OR DISTRESS. He is not interested in bodily relationships with wife, children, home, bank balance, etc., or in the distress and happiness which come from these things. This is the special advantage of being a devotee. THIS STATUS OF LIFE IS POSSIBLE ONLY WHEN A PERSON IS INTERESTED IN ASSOCIATING WITH A PURE DEVOTEE, who always enjoys the fragrance of the lotus feet of the Lord.

“Bhattacarya offered him his due respect and replied, “My dear Gopinatha Acarya, it is through your mercy that I have received the mercy of the Supreme Lord.” THE MERCY OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD CAN BE OBTAINED BY THE MERCY OF A PURE DEVOTEE. Lord Caitanya’s mercy was bestowed upon Bhattacarya because of Gopinatha Acarya’s endeavour. ‘You are a great devotee of the Lord,’ Bhattacarya continued, ‘and I was simply blinded by my academic education. Yes, I have obtained the mercy of the Lord through your agency only.’ Lord Caitanya Himself was greatly pleased to hear Bhattacarya say that a man can obtain the mercy of the Lord through the agency of a devotee. He appreciated his words and embraced Bhattacarya, confirming his statement.” (TLC 26)

Thank you for reading this. All glories to your service. Please give me your blessings. Chant Hare Krishna and read Srila Prabhupada’s books and be happy!

“There are many liberated souls and perfected souls, but out of all of them he who is a devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead is best. THE DEVOTEES OF THE SUPREME LORD ARE ALWAYS CALM AND QUIET, and THEIR PERFECTION IS VERY RARELY SEEN. EVEN IN MILLIONS OF PERSONS.” Prakasananda also quoted another verse (Bhag. 10.4.46) in which it is stated that ONE’S DURATION OF LIFE, PROSPERITY, FAME, RELIGION AND THE BENEDICTION OF HIGHER AUTHORITIES ARE ALL LOST WHEN ONE OFFENDS A DEVOTEE. Prakasananda also quoted another verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.5.32) which said that all the misgivings of the conditioned soul disappear at the touch of the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. However, ONE CANNOT TOUCH THE LOTUS FEET OF THE SUPREME LORD UNLESS ONE RECEIVES THE BENEDICTION OF THE DUST OF THE LOTUS FEET OF THE LORD’S PURE DEVOTEE. In other words, ONE CANNOT BECOME A PURE DEVOTEE OF THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD UNLESS HE IS FAVOURED BY ANOTHER PURE DEVOTEE of the Lord.” (TLC 22)

Comments

  1. Balaram das says:

    Madhudvisa das: “..The heart is broken, so these ISKCON “gurus,” even though they may think they’re just like Prabhupada and just as good as Prabhupada, should not be allowed to initiate in ISKCON unless they show some potency just like Prabhupada’s potency, unless they are self-effulgent Vaisnava acaryas. We have to see the symptoms first.”

    Hare Krsna Prabhu, I agree 100% with your descriptions of the qualities of an Unalloyed Pure Maha-Bhagavata Diksa Guru, according to and confirmed by Sastra. In another quote from Srila Prabhupada, we find in his Bhaktivedanta purport to SB 3-28-2, where he states, “…The final statement is atmavic-caranarcanam. Atma-vit means a self- realized soul or bonafide spiritual master. UNLESS ONE IS SELF REALIZED AND KNOWS WHAT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SUPERSOUL IS, HE CANNOT BE A BONA-FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER…” (My emphasis).

    It is now the 40th year since Srila Prabhupada concluded his vapu pastimes, and yet there is still no one even resembling a shadow of his purity and potency, as you also seem to observe with criticisms of first, the ‘zonals’ and then the ‘rubber-stamped’ multitudes.

    GBC and many devotees still after 40 years, cannot reconcile parallel lines of ‘authority’ with their bogus system, as you rightly point out, of rubber stamping totally unqualified PADs. Guroo gives one instruction, GBC or TP gives another… obvious who ‘wins’, but ultimately they all ‘lose’.

    Srila Prabhupada IS the senapati bhakta, the Founder AND Acarya of true ISKCON, and the last chance for the conditioned mlecchas in Kali-yuga to go back to Godhead. His original transcendental literatures are extant for the remaining 10,000 years of the ‘Golden Age’, his divine murti is (hopefully) in every temple and we follow and teach his instructions as vartma-pradarsak or siksa gurus.

    …Lord Caitanya foretold the coming of an empowered devotee who would take the sankirtana process everywhere: “I want to flood the whole world with the chanting of the holy names. I will personally preach and flood India with harinama sankirtana, chanting of the holy names. And My senapati bhakta (great devotee commander) will come, preach in different countries and flood the world with the chanting of Hare Krishna.”

    Tridandi Goswami A C Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, as the current link in the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya sampradaya, has categorically stated in his ‘final order’ of July 9th 1977, that the ritvik system, representative of the Acarya, which had already been in effect for many years, should be continued for future initiations and those devotees would be his disciples. This may not concur with the traditional Vedic practice, however this is Kali-yuga, kalau sudra-sambhava and Srila Prabhupada adjusted many Vedic traditions to engage the unfortunate souls in Krsna consciousness, including the process for future initiations into HIS society.

    Srila Prabhupada quotes>>> SB 4.8.54 Purport:
    Those who are not actually in the line of acaryas, or who personally have no knowledge of how to act in the role of acarya, unnecessarily criticize the activities of the ISKCON movement in countries outside of India. The fact is that such critics cannot do anything personally to spread Krsna consciousness. If someone does go and preach, taking all risks and allowing all considerations for time and place, it might be that there are changes in the manner of worship, but that is not at all faulty according to sastra. Srimad Viraraghava Acarya, an acarya in the disciplic succession of the Ramanuja-sampradaya, has remarked in his commentary that CANDALAS, OR CONDITIONED SOULS WHO ARE BORN IN LOWER THAN SUDRA FAMILIES, CAN ALSO BE INITIATED ACCORDING TO CIRCUMSTANCES. THE FORMALITIES MAY BE SLIGHTLY CHANGED HERE AND THERE TO MAKE THEM VAISNAVAS.

    As regards the ritvik system that Srila Prabhupada ordered (ritvik..YES),
    RC 5/28/77
    Satsvarūpa Mahārāja: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US (my emphasis). We want to know how first and second initiations will be conducted.
    Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating ācārya.
    Tamāla Krsna Mahārāja: Is that called rtvik-ācārya?
    Śrīla Prabhupāda: rtvik. Yes.

    Vaisnava acaryas and scholars also accept the Ritvik process>>>

    Part 1. A letter given by Prof Tatachar, Director, Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote, Mandya district, Karnataka.
    Prof. M A Lakshimtatachar, Jan 30th, 1999
    Director, Academy of Sanskrit Research
    Respected Madhupandit ji,
    Humble Pranams. Before writing this letter let me introduce myself as a Sayamacharya belonging to the family of Anantanpillai otherwise known as Anandacharya who was one among the simhasanadipathis appointed by Ramanuja himself to initiate disciples into Srivaishnavism. Further I have also continued the same tradition as I am initiating many into Srivaishnavism in the name of my revered acharya Sri U. Ve. Alwar Tirumala Iyengar Swami who was the 34th successor in the Acharyapurusha parampara. I have also enclosed herewith my bio data, which gives some information about my educational and philosophical background.
    Now, I learn that there is some discussions are going in ISKCON regarding succession. The bone of contention is whether Ritviks appointed by HH Srila Prabhupada could be considered only his representatives or should they be considered as acharyas themselves as they are initiating the disciples into the Hare Krishna movement.
    I have very carefully gone through the letter of HH Srila Prabhupada, which was issued on July 9th 1977.
    According to me this letter has five parts.
    1. In the changed circumstances permission to certain disciples to act as ritviks – as his representatives.
    2. Specific names of these who can act as ritviks – representatives of Srila Prabhupada 3. Change of procedure
    4. Stress on the point that after initiation from the ritviks appointed by HH Srila Prabhupada they are considered to be disciples of HH Srila Prabhupada only.
    5. The action to be taken to include the names of the initiated in the disciples book of HH Srila Prabhupada only.
    The letter categorically makes it clear that the eleven Ritviks can never claim acharyaship as they are the only representatives of HH Srila Prabhupada. They are like the instruments in the hands of acharya for the sake of initiation. The letter stresses again and again that the initiated are the disciples of HH Srila Prabhupada only. Refer to these statements:
    1. Ritvik – Representative of the Acharya for the purpose of performing initiations.
    2. Ritviks – These representatives may accept the devotee as an initiated disciple of Srila Prabhupada
    3. The newly initiated devotees are the disciples of HDG Srila Prabhupada.
    4. The name of the newly initiated disciple should be sent by the representative who has accepted him/her to Srila Prabhupada to be included in HIS DIVINE Grace’s “Initiated disciples book.”
    There are several such instances in SriVaishnava Parmapara (tradition). Take the example of Sri Ramanujacharya himself who was the foremost amongst the Srivaishnavacharyas. He was initiated into the Srivaishnava texts and secrets by five great acharyas who are the disciples of Acharya Yamuna. That is why is called Panchacharya Pradarshita.
    Though he was a disciple of these five Acharyas, just like the Ritviks appointed by HH Srila Prabhupada ji, these ritviks never claimed that they were the Acharyas’ of Ramanujacharya. On the other hand it seems Yamunacharya had seen Ramanuja only once in Kanchipuram when he was studying with Yadava Prakasha and he also showered blessings on Ramanujacharya from a distance. Very interestingly; Ramanucharya mentions Yamunacharya and offers obeisances to him in his benedictory verses found in the beginning of the Vedartha sangraha. This shows that Acharya Ramanuja is considered to be a sishya of Yamunacharya only.
    Besides the very concept of Ritvik has a special significance here. In the olden days there would be a Yajamana who could engage Ritvik, Adhvaryus etc., for the performance of sacrifice. These people after performing the sacrifice would get some dakshina. But the net result of the sacrifice would go to the Yajaman himself, as he was mainly responsible for the performance. The ritviks were entitled only to initiate disciples into the Hare Krishna Movement. But the disciples thus initiated by these representatives are always considered to be the disciples of Srila Prabhupada only. Since he is the yajamana who has engaged these ritviks for the performance of initiation.
    Again I have to stress that the letter makes it amply clear that the disciples thus initiated by the representatives of Srila Prabhupada are only the disciples of Srila Prabhupada only, not of the representatives.
    I also want to confirm that this system can continue perpetually even in the physical absence of HH Srila Prabhupadaji as it has continued in Ramanujas tradition as any person initiated by any acharya has dasyanama like Lakshmittathacharya Ramanuja Dasa though Ramanuja passed away long ago. Hope, Madhupandit Dasaji, Ihave made my point clear. With warm personal regards,
    Yours sincerely,
    Lakshmi Tatachar (Signed)

    Part 2. Excerpts of an interview with Prof Tatachar.
    Can an acharya who is not physically present give diksha?
    ISKCON devotee: Our point is that although Srila Prabhupada is not physically present, that does not in any way stop the validity of his continuing to be diksha guru.
    Sri Tatachar : Definitely. That is my view.
    ISKCON devotee: Can the absence of a physical body limit the functioning of the acharya, in terms of Srila Prabhupada being able to impart knowledge and take karma of the disciples? Can Srila Prabhupada do this now?
    Sri Tatachar: Just because somebody has a physical body, can he take your karma? Is he competent to do it? The presence or the absence of the physical body is not the criteria to take away the karma of a particular person. On the other hand, it depends on the devotion of the disciple and the grace of the acharya. Say for instance, Srila Prabhupada’s guru was not there when Srila Prabhupada was present. Do you mean to say that they are not capable of taking the karma of their disciple?
    The interesting thing is (quotes a verse in Sanskrit from Yatindra vimsati composed by Sri Manavala Mamuni of Sri Vaishnava sampradaya, who appeared nearly 200 years after Sri Ramanuja).
    ISKCON devotee: So what is the import of this statement?
    Sri Tatachar: That means though the guru is not physically present, he can take away all the karmas of the disciple. That is the potency of the acharya. In that way, it is not important whether the acharya is alive with a physical body or not. That is not important.
    ISKCON devotee: One of their objections is that it stops the parampara.
    Sri Tatachar : How does it stop the parampara? These ritviks will further appoint ritviks.
    ISKCON devotee: There is a provision for that. Prabhupada says more can be added when necessary.
    Sri Tatachar: More can be added and these ritviks will initiate all of them into the Hare Krishna movement and Srila Prabhupada will be their guru. What harm is there? Because the very word ritvik’ has a special significance here. What do you mean by ritvik? A person who performs this particular duty. Suppose a king performs a sacrifice he is considered a yajaman. Even now wealthy people organise for us, Sudarshana homa. Probably in your place also. So that person is called a yajamana. When we came to your place Madhu Pandit Das was the yajamana. He didn’t perform the sacrifice. He engaged all these people – Venkatesh and I came and many other people came and we performed the homa. After performing the homa we were given dakshina. So our relationship ends there itself. Because we had received the dakshina for the service we had rendered. But the end result goes to whom? To the yajamana only. Similarly, these ritviks get some dakshina from the persons whom they initiate. Once that is done their work is over. But the result that such and such a person is a disciple of such and such a guru goes to SP. That’s why the word ritvik is used here. Otherwise he would have used a different word. And he would have stated that these are my sishyas, these sishyas are here afterwards considered to be the gurus to succeed me. “He is my successor,” he didn’t say that.
    Does the rtvik system violate any Vedic principles of guru parampara?
    ISKCON devotee: You have compared the arrangement in the Sri sampradaya with that of the rtvik arrangement that Srila Prabhupada has directed us to follow. (He also supervised the running of this system from July to November, 1977). In rtvik system, there is an important difference. Here Srila Prabhupada is not giving any guruship to the rtviks·
    Sri Tatachar: Yes, that is right, that is what we see from the letter also.
    ISKCON devotee: In the event of the rtviks being representatives only and not being gurus, is there a violation of any shastric principle or is it violating any spiritual·
    Sri Tatachar: No, it is not violating. On the other hand, it supports what I have stated. In the case of Sri Ramanuja, I have stated that he appointed 74 simhasana-adhipatis and made them gurus. In spite of that we owe our allegiance to Sri Ramanuja only.
    ISKCON devotee: You are saying that in spite of being some sort of guru, you are the disciple of Sri Ramanuja only?
    Sri Tatachar: Yes, definitely. That is why we say that we are Sri Ramanuja dasan only. I have to say, adiyen madhura kavi Lakshmi Tatacharya Ramanuja dasan, when I prostrate before anyone. Sri Ramanuja dasa is the common thing found in all the Sri Vaishnavas, though we have been initiated by one of the simhasana-adhipatis appointed by Sri Ramanuja himself who were considered to be gurus. In spite of this we are expected to state that we are disciples of Sri Ramanuja only.
    ISKCON devotee: In our case it is clear that Srila Prabhupada did not give any gurusghip·
    Sri Tatachar: So it is all the more clear and imperative because Srila Prabhupada mentions very clearly in the letter that these are rtviks. That is why I have given the meaning of the rtviks – this word comes from the rig veda. The rtvik is a sacrificer who is appointed by the yajamana. Suppose you are the yajamana, you can appoint me as the rtvik and this rtvik performs the role of a priest on behalf of the yajamana. This may happen when the yajamana does not know the vedic rituals or even if he knows and if he is not in a position to perform this role, then he may appoint a rtvik.
    So he will perform the sacrifice and give dakshina to the rtviks·Who gets the result of the sacrifice? It obviously goes to the person who has engaged these rtviks and sent money for the sacrifice, the yajamana.
    The word rtvik is very significant. That is why Srila Prabhupada was so clever to say that they are only rtviks and not acaryas. So the result goes to Srila Prabhupada only.
    Again, will the parampara stop?
    ISKCON devotee: In the Bhagavad Gita, Srila Prabhupada gives the guru parampara – Brahma, Narada, Vyasa·and so on till Srila Prabhupada. In the rtvik system, who comes after Srila Prabhupada?
    Sri Tatachar: Srila Prabhupada himself. Only the rtvik system continues and Srila Prabhupada is the guru.
    ISKCON devotee: When that happens, is the parampara not stopping?
    Sri Tatachar: No. What can be done? Srila Prabhupada has not appointed an acharya. The parampara continues through a chain of rtviks.
    Is authorization essential to become an acharya?
    ISKCON devotee: One final question is that for somebody has to become an acharya, how important is it for him to receive an authorisation to take that post from the previous acharya? In this case, there is an authorisation to continue to as a ritvik and ritvik alone, there is not authoriation to function as guru. How important is it to receive an authorisation?
    Sri Tatachar : It is very much necessary to receive an authorisation. Without an authorisation you cannot do. Generally what happens in the Srivaishnava parampara, they were always worried about the succession ( Tamil sloka). Who will be the successor to take care of the propagation of this system? When the acharya was about to pass away, he would nominate a person to take care of the panth and hold the mantle thereafter. That is how it has been done. That is why even in the Srivaishnava parampara, while giving sannyasa, he cannot take sannyasa on his own. The acharya will give the sanyas and say that here afterwards he will be the mathadipathi.
    ISKCON devotee: That means authorization is a must.
    Sri Tatachar : IT IS A MUST
    ISKCON devotee:To become a guru or a mathadipathi or a peethadipathi
    Sri Tatachar : Yes, yes, yes. Otherwise I am very sure that SP would have used another word altogether instead of ritviks. These are my successors’ – no problem. He never said successors’. Again and again he stresses these are my representatives only, they are only expected to initiate them, ultimately all of them are my disciples only, not the disciples of others’.

    Part 3: Biodata of Prof MA Tatachar
    Presently Director, Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote, Mandya district, Karnataka.
    Educational qualification: MA (Sanskrit) University Gold medalist Navinanyaya vidvan (President of India’s Gold medalist) Alankara vidvat madhyama Visastadvaita and other schools of philosophy
    Work experience: Head of the Department of Sanskrit, Govt college, Chitradurga and Bangalore. Director, Academy of Sanskrit Research, Melkote, Mandya district, Karnataka. Teaching Visistadvaita, Sanskrit and Shastras at MA, Mphil and PhD levels.
    Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar: A broad-minded Sri Vaishnava scholar and sannyasi. He was previously a professor in National College, Bangalore. He is a Sanskrit scholar. He has disciples who come from Smaarta, Sri Vaishnava and Maadhva backgrounds.
    (for the information of the readers, these two above mentioned scholars were not invited to the conference by HG Basugosh Prabhu!)

    Part 4:Sri Sri Rangapriya Swami Desikachar:
    A broad-minded Sri Vaishnava scholar and sannyasi. He was previously a professor in National College, Bangalore. He is a Sanskrit scholar. He has disciples who come from Smaarta, Sri Vaishnava and Maadhva backgrounds
    The following was a short interview with HH Rangapriya Swami:
    Question: According to Srila Prabhupada’s letter of July 9th, 1977, if we accept Srila Prabhupada as the diksa guru and receive initiation from the ritviks, is this system in accordance to sastric principles, what is your holiness’ opinion?
    HH Rangapriya Swami: It appears from the system of initiation that Srila Prabhupada has proposed in his letter of July 9th 1977, that he wished to remain the diksha-acharya, vanquish sinful reactions of the disciples, take the responsibility of delivering his disciples and this way continue the parampara through the rtviks. This is a new system. Since such new systems have been created in the past by the acaryas, it appears that Srila Prabhupada desired such a system. This is our humble opinion and it is not in violation of any shastric principles.
    Question: Do we have to fear that the Parampara will stop if we follow the ritvik system?
    HH Rangapriya Swami: By this system we do not have to fear that the parampara may stop. The rtviks belong to his parampara. The new disciples also belong to his parampara. Who ever follows his instructions also belong to his parampara. His books will represent him; his peeta (the sacred seat) will represent him; his sandals will represent him; his murtis will represent him.
    Question: If we ask the new disciples initiated by this system, ‘Whose disciple are you?” what should they say?
    HH Rangapriya Swami: They should say, ‘Srila Prabhupada is my guru.’ Others can be called ritviks and can be respected for their seniority.
    Question: As long as ISKCON exists, can this system be followed?
    HH Rangapriya Swami: Yes, there is no problem.
    Copy of the letter given to ISKCON: 11.1.99
    “I have acquainted myself with the life and message of His Holiness Srila Prabhupada including his message in the letter of July 9th, 1977. I also understand there is some controversy going on among the disciples of the great guru regarding the positions of the diksha guru and officiating acharyas called rtvik acharyas who give diksha as deputees of the original acharya, even as Prince Bharata officiated as the ruler on behalf of Sri Rama’s padukas.
    In this connection, keeping in view the spirit of Srila Prabhupada and the continuation of the great tradition given by him, we recommend that the office of the rtvik acharyas should continue as intended by Srila Prabhupada.
    Srila Prabhupada’s system accords a unique position to the acarya by declaring that he should be a Master Yogin, who takes upon himself the spiritual responsibility of the disciples including the destruction of all their sins and deserves worship due to Bhagavan Himself.
    The rtvik acharya continue the line of HH Srila Prabhupada, and he should be accorded reverence in accordance with his contributions. But he should not be considered as an object of meditation and worship. Nor should he be considered as infallible. He should be appointed by the governing council and give diksha as a deputee of Srila Prabhupada without violating the letter and spirit of his message.
    The rtvik system propounded by Srila Prabhupada does not violate in anyway the shastras’ injunctions.
    Signed. Rangapriya Swami.”

    Prabhu, my question to you in good faith, is after such a full compendium of quotes which display the farcical and sad situation of ISKCON’s current guroo-tattva, what is your positive alternative? Even allowing for the appearance of a self effulgent pure devotee, Srila Prabhupada is still the Founder & Acarya Diksa-guru of ISKCON while it continues to exist. Please see below >> Acarya= Diksa-guru for the duration of ISKCON

    Transcribed Document: January 1976

    CERTIFICATION OF INCORPORATION OF INTERNATIONAL
    SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE BAY AREA, INC.

    WE, THE UNDERSIGNED, in order to form a non-profit, non-stock corporation for the purposes hereinafter stated, under and pursuant to the provisions of the General Non-Profit Corporation Law of the State of California, do hereby certify as follows:

    FIRST: The name of the proposed corporation (hereinafter referred to as the “Corporation”) is:

    INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY FOR KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS OF THE BAY AREA, INC.

    SECOND: The principal office for the transaction of the business of the Corporation is to be located in the County of Alameda, in the state of California.

    THIRD: It is declared that His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is the Founder-Acarya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness of the Bay Area. He shall be the supreme power with respect to all matters of the society, AND THAT STATUS SHALL NOT BE OCCUPIED BY OR SHARED WITH ANY OTHER INDIVIDUAL, EITHER DURING HIS LIFETIME, OR AFTER DEATH (my emphasis). His name and title must appear on all documents, letterheads, publications and buildings of the Society or Corporation.

    Yfs,
    Balaram das.

    • Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:

      ”I also want to confirm that this system (ritvik) can continue perpetually, even in the absence of HH Srila Prabhupadaji as it has continued in Ramanuja’s tradition, as any person initiated by any acharya has dasyanama like Lakshmittathacharya Ramanuja Das though Ramanuja passed away long ago.”

      Professor Lakshmi Tatachar (Director, Academy Sanskrit Research, Melkote Madya District. Karnataka)

      This letter to Madhu Pandit Das is further proof (though Srila Prabhupada’s clear order should be PROOF ENOUGH) of the bona-fide nature of the ritvik process. HDG Sri Ramaujacharya left this world many centuries ago and is part of our parampara yet new initiates are considered disciples of HDG Sri Ramanujacharya.

      I believe that this system is also practiced by the Tattva Vadi vaisnava disciples of HDG Sri Madhvacharya who is part of our parampara and left this world many centuries ago also.

      Time is material and is NO impediment to the spiritual realm and the potency of Guru Tattva, this is why Srila Prabhupada says “You should not worry for big gaps”

      “HE REASONS ILL VAISNAVAS DIE WHILST THOUGH ART LIVING STILL IN SOUND. VAISNAVAS DIE TO LIVE AND IN LIVING TRY TO SPREAD THE HOLY NAME AROUND” ……HDG Srila Thakur Bhaktivinode.

      This Professor Tatachar’s letter seems very pukka and authoritative as does his qualification to speak on the subject of guru tattva. Thank you Balaram Prabhu for posting this item.
      The aspiring bhakta has to recognize that guru is not only Diksa but also Vartmapradarsak, Siksha and Chaitya guru especially Siksha as The Acharya is not always present in Vapu form THIS HOWEVER IS NO IMPEDIMENT AS IT IS THE VANI OF THE ACHARYA WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
      WHEN ONE FOLLOWS SRILA PRABHUPADA”S DIRECTION THEN SRIL PRABHUPADA IS ALWAYS WITH YOU, NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT!

      I actually went to Melkote with Mahasringa Prabhu (then Swami) and Pancharatna Prabhu (TP of ISKCON, Jaipur) in the 80s and found it to be a very nice place to visit. We visited a Sri Narasimha temple which is right on this small mountain top there are stone steps leading up to the temple mount and I remember we had to run up the steps as the curtains were about to close and we wanted to receive darsana. Just about killed me trying to climb those steps! but hey it was worth it! what an amazing place!

  2. abhaya carana seva das says:

    pamho
    agtACBSP,

    of course HDG ACBSP is a pure devotee as we can see all the devotees were in ecstasy when SRILA PRABHUPADA use to be physically present on this planet and that’s another proof that SRILA PRABHUPADA is a pure devotee,the devotees was feeling the presence of SRI SRI GURU GAURANGA by the purity of our guru maharaj,

    they say who find a friend find a treasure and we are so lucky that we got that rare treasure and friend which is a expansion of our vidhunoti suhrit satam best friend SRI KRSNA BHAGAVAT,we will not change our precious and pukka guru sent to us by god because SRILA PRABHUPADA is still rescue (through HIS spiritual body) his mortal friends in this mrityu loka planet of death therefore we say we got a treasure as SP as our best friend,

    all the others travelling toilets feeded by stools in search of foreign rubbish as all the stink guru hoaxers are still doing outside kc lost this best friend who is able to give us eternal life,

    agt HDG ACBSP
    ys haribol

  3. abhaya carana seva das says:

    pamho
    agtACBSP,

    SRILA PRABHUPADA used to say that we can see under which three gunas influences we are by associating with the general gunas of the crowd,how you say one guna call another guna by associating all the gunas together the real nature and qualities of the soul can be manifested when we are situated in the right track but almost all of us born without the purification of the ten samskara therefore we are considered varna sankara by the vedic culture a unwanting society and popolation without any vaisnava back ground history in the chain of the brahma gaudiya sampradaya through the parampara system,

    yesterday i was in the mood of laughing and i went to visit a bogus guru website of f-iskcon just for a little while not more then that and i could see how ridicolous they are by mixing with the general gunas of the crowd i mean we can see their cheating better because they are not engaging all the lava matra in the seva and that empty lava matra become the shelter and the manifestation of all their past karma of their varna sankara history and in the future it will be worse i mean people have not the ability at all in regaining their lost personalities, the guru hoaxers are not uttama adhikari bhaktas and i feel sorry to see all these blind new comers and innocent souls in f-iskcon to depend on the fake mercy of the guru hoaxers who have not the qualities of a parivrajakacharya as HDG ACBSP KI JAI

    ys haribol

  4. abhaya carana seva das says:

    pamho
    agtACBSP,

    the same is in the christians churches first and second inititiation on behalf of JESUS the priests are just ritviks but they got more problems then f-iskcon because it’s already difficulty to be a hare krsna nowadays what to say about to be a pukka christian which is more polluted then f-iskcon through mental speculation homosexuality many children still get abuse by the christian churches ,

    unfortunately this is the bad karma of this kali yuga dark age of querrel and hypocrisy but kaler dosa nidhe rajan asti he eko maha guna kirtaniya eva krsnasya mukta sanga param vrajet this is our only chance to get out from all these disgusted fake reflections in this disgusted material world especially in this kali chelas age

    agtSP
    ys haribol

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