EXPLOITING DISCIPLES FOR MONEY
An answer to the Sivarama’s intelligence-insulting
propaganda video entitled “Food is Money.”
It is also quite cynical that the Swami in question
gives seminars on Simple Living and High Thinking.
Food For Life is Against Prabhupada’s Teachings
https://vediciskcon.wordpress.com/2017/02/28/food-for-life-against-prabhupadas-teachings/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAEwzsBWVn4&feature=youtu.be
Yes! its no wonder that he is smiling as he has hundreds of stupid goyim all bowing down to him and giving him money all to be tucked away in some Swiss Bank account. The Talmud explains that only the Jews are the ‘chosen ones’, they are actually Gods to be worshiped and obeyed and everything belongs to them.
The unfortunate ‘disciples’ do not care about their “masters” poisoning Srila Prabhupada (as they also wanted Christ dead) or unauthorized book changes (as they did with the Bible) or even stealing the multi-million dollar temples as in ”The International Society for Kike Conformity” one should not question their “masters” (as this must surely be some “special type of lila” that is taking place!).
It also explains why according to the Talmud Jews are not required to report fellow Jewish ”sex offenders or pedophiles to the authorities” as the victims (being non-Jewish are just animals or human excrement!).
Why don’t these FISKCON wingers stop worshiping these Zionist dogs, perverts, thieves (and calling them “Maharaja”). This is enough to make anyone puke!
The whole of society is going to hell because of Cultural Marxism. (Marx came from a family of Rabbi’s),
Religion and Dharma are being eroded as the Zionist influence contaminates the whole world with sexual depravity, political correctness, gay ”rights”, bogus pseudoscience, ”feminism” (which is actually the emasculation and ‘dis-empowerment’ of men), cultural degradation, false-flag terrorism, slave labor, and CENTRALIZED POWER.
What is happening in FISKCON is only part of the bigger picture which is the NEW WORLD ORDER, this is why these “bogus leaders” are being invited to Rothschild Bank, Nasdaq etc. Shetty is a big promoter of NWO politics! Why is a rat like Radhanatha selling out Srila Prabhupada’s movement to a Mayavadi, Illuminati bastard like Shetty? Shetty is a Rothschild puppet, trying to influence world youth (as in 2016 Youth Conference) as a kind of “New Age Entrepreneur”. This is why the UN promotes all these bogus “Interfaith Conferences” (every bogus religion, means NO religion!). This is all encouraged by the Zionist Illuminati……….such as Baha’i (based in Israel), who support incest and other abominations and like Mormons, Wah’habism, Sufism, Jehova’s Witnesses all ”created by the Jews”
The UN love bogus “New Age Gurus” as these guys can “corral” their unfortunate followers into a state of submission to the NWO. The United Nations building in Geneva has a “Meditation Center” run by the Sri Chinmoy (deceased) bogus Mayavadi group (no doubt used to ease their troubled minds after creating some international plunder of some ‘Third World’ countries wealth). Carlos Santana was a “disciple” of Chinmoy but later rejected him, to which Chinmoy became enraged and told everyone not to have anything to do with Carlos Santana……..”.Way to go!, Carlos!”
Just like the UN Illuminati’s plan for ”The Temple of Understanding” (does that name ring a bell?) in Washington DC, the plan to ‘brainwash and control the mass populace’ is the real objective, and this is why these Satanic proponents of the NWO, take such a keen interest in FISKCON, as there are so many unfortunate fools “blinded by devotion” to these feculent, arse-wipes such as Shivarama!……..Music to their ears!
Dag Hammarskjold (UN Secretary General) described this pagan stone as “An alter to Universal Religion” “The alter is the symbol of God”, he said.
“The Temple of Understanding” will also have a meditation room, to be known as the “Hall of Illumination” There it is planned that The Illuminati, Masters of Wisdom, leaders of ”The Temple of Understanding”, will train the public in the ”new humanistic cult!”.
The World leaders themselves are a gang of murderous criminals, perverts, thieves and pedophiles so the FISKCON gangsters feel ”right at home” in their association!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Sudarasana prabhu, although I like and admire many of your posts along with your vast array of knowledge, I really think you have crossed th line with this one. Your scathing criticism and offensive attack on Sivarama Swami is really imbalanced. Although Kali Yuga is an ocean of faults, the one good thing is the chanting of the Holy Names and this is just one of the many positive strengths of Sivarama Swami. In the best interests of your personal growth and spiritual well being you need to try and see the good in others as well as the bad. Balanced reporting requires this attribute.
Sivarama Swami has preached tirelessly over his devotional career and made and inspired thousands of devotees. The standard of deity worship in Hungary is probably the highest in the world.
I’m not being an apologist here, but in the interest of free speach and fairness, I need to shine some light on the positive.
your servant
Sundarananda das
Dear Sundarananda Prabhu.
Thank you for your concern as to my spiritual well being, but I am afraid that I “crossed the line” many, many years ago. Perhaps you can be more specific as to ‘imbalances’ that you perceive, so I may address your concerns.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Sudarsana prabhuji, thanks for your reply. The specific imbalance that I perceive is your branding of Sivarama Swami a “feculant arse wipe” This is very offensive language directed at a person who has many exemplary qualities and who is a Vaisnava devotee of the Lord.
I understand where you are coming from and how you feel, its just that I happen to know Sivarama Swami qute well and have a very different perspective. I have visited Hungary a few times, particularly New Vraja Dhama. This 300 hectare Vaisnava community is magnificent. The presiding deities Radhe Shyama are exquisitely looked after to a very high standard.
Therefore my concern is that your harsh judgement and language is imbalanced and may bring you dangerously into the risky position of Sadhu Ninda.
Please don’t think I’m being a smart arse or trying to start a “clever” arguement. I really encourage you to visit Hungary sometime and meet with Sivarama Swami to discuss your grievances. I’m confident that at the least, you will come away with a more balanced perspective of this great Vaisnava and would be reluctant to call him a “feculant arse wipe” in the future.
Hope you are well prabhu, take care.
Your friend and servant
Sundarananda das
Dear Sundarananda Prabhu.
New Vraja Dhama is certainly a credit to the devotees who are using organic agricultural practices and does have an appealing view to the self sufficient life, Srila Prabhupada often spoke of. Much credit should also go to the Hungarian people who have destroyed thousands of GMO crops (which The UN Illuminati is trying to force upon Europe and the World). Non of this is due to Shivarama however and the devotees would do much better to follow the ‘final order’ Srila Prabhupada made, thus REJECTING these unauthorized, bogus ”gurus”
Radha Krishna Das seems to be mislead by the “newspeak-eco-bullshit” katha such as “carbon neutral” and ”sustainable practices” which is coming from ”Rothschilds CO2 Global Warming” ‘chicken little’ scare campaign (This is a con-job to usher in Agenda 21 and The New World Order). One should “see through” the charismatic, Mr Nice Guy profile of the bogus unauthorized ”gurus” and try to understand Srila Prabhupada’s clear instructions, DIRECTLY. The guest-house dedicated to Tamal Krishna is another area of “bewilderment”.
I was also fond of Tamal Krishna, and he was always very mellow and gracious with me, inviting me to lunch, letting me lead kirtana etc etc. and at that time I didn’t know about his past (but I saw sometimes how volatile he was!). But at the time of his passing I was visited by his ghost and saw him descending down to hell! This seemed like a dream (as I didn’t know he was dead) and this stuck in my mind. When someone told me of the car crash this image really haunted me. The ”proof that he (and others) poisoned Srila Prabhupada” has left me in no doubt that this was his fate. Unfortunately these bogus personalities are great chameleons and pretenders who are very eager to fool everyone (me included). I am sure that Lord Krishna opened my eyes to reveal many things because I rejected many false pretenders and only gave myself to Srila Prabhupada. Only Srila Prabhupada is Diksa Guru (by his own written, clear order) and not bogus pretenders.
Your comments on the ”high standard of Diety worship” is really quite meaningless if devotees offer bhoga to ”bogus unauthorized” persons and pretenders. Such foodstuffs are never prasadam no matter how opulent and attractive it appears and has NO SPIRITUAL CURRENCY WHATSOEVER……..Just a THREE DOLLAR BILL!
I have no interest in meeting with or ”airing my grievances” to pretenders and fools, my only duty is to avoid them and expose them, THAT’S ALL! anything else is just a waste of my time and energy. They do not deserve, and will not get any respect from me. This ONLY ENCOURAGES THEIR RASCALDOM! I simply “call a spade a spade!” THEY ARE ALREADY DEFEATED, AS I SAW TAMAL KRISHNA DEFEATED, ONE CANNOT DENY ONE”S OWN REALIZATIONS AND VISIONS. SELF REALIZATION IS NOT A COLLECTIVE PROCESS (BY DEFINITION). BUT EVEN THOUGH NITYANANDA PRABHU (AND OTHERS) HAVE CONCRETE PROOF OF TAMAL (AND OTHERS) POISONED SRILA PRABHUPADA……….STILL NO ONE WANTS TO ACCEPT!………..THIS IS FOOLISHNESS!
Do not risk out of some sentiment, following bogus pretenders, down to Hell! I am happy to call them what they are!
Thank you for your reply. I hope you think about the consequences of worshiping pretenders!
They are nothing…….NOTHING!
Your humble servant and well-wisher….
Sudarsana
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Dear Sudarsana prabhu, thanks for your reply, with many well researched points and truths, which I appreciate and agree with.
You say that none of the success of New Vraja Dhama is due to Sivarama Swami, on this point i disagree. The whole project which began in the early nineties and was conceived of before the land was purchased, was done by him. Before most of these devotees existed Sivarama Swami was developing the project. I was there in 1995 when he brought Radhe Shyama to the farm in his motorhome from England. The whole project functions with Radhe Shyama in the centre.
My point was that there is not just only the negative and to be labelling Sivarama Swami as a feculent arse wipe is, in my opinion, unwarranted and highly offensive. That however is up to you, its your life.
Hope you are well prabhuji, take care.
Your friend and servant
Sundarananda das
Sundarananda das: Sivarama Swami has preached tirelessly over his devotional career and made and inspired thousands of devotees.
Mahesh: Incorrect! it is NOT “devotional career”. The guy is doing it for MONEY. It is you who really needs to wake-up.
730419mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: So you all write very strongly, vehemently. Even it is little offensive, still these rascals should be taught good lesson. Yes. They’re misleading.
730503mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: But one who tolerates mischievous activity, he is also culprit. If you are mischievous, you are criminal. But if you tolerate mischievous activities that is also criminal.
Madhya 5.90 The Activities of Saksi-gopala
A person who knows things as they are and still does not bear witness becomes involved in sinful activities.”
SB 4.14.41 The Story of King Vena
The great sages began to think that although a brahmana is peaceful and impartial because he is equal to everyone, it is still not his duty to neglect poor humans. By such neglect, a brahmana’s spiritual power diminishes, just as water kept in a cracked pot leaks out.
SB 4.14.41 P The Story of King Vena
Brahmanas, the topmost section of human society, are mostly devotees. They are generally unaware of the happenings within the material world because they are always busy in their activities for spiritual advancement. Nonetheless, when there is a calamity in human society, they cannot remain impartial. If they do not do something to relieve the distressed condition of human society, it is said that due to such neglect their spiritual knowledge diminishes
Please read the following to UNDERSTAND the philosophy:
“A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. SURRENDER BY YOUR INTELLIGENCE BUT DON’T SURRENDER YOUR INTELLIGENCE.” (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
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Srila Prabhupada IS Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43094#more-43094
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Only Maha-Bhagavata is Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422#more-41422
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46518#comment-45721
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Srila Prabhupada THE ONLY CURRENT ETERNAL DIKSA GURU for ISKCON for AS LONG AS ISKCON EXISTS – NO COMPROMISE!
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44113#more-44113
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Srila Prabhupada is His Divine Grace
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=45049#more-45049
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Physically Present Diksa Guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31641
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31834
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46709#comment-47377
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WHEN I order
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46581
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42978#comment-31480
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Become Guru by Order, That’s All
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5990.htm
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What We Have Heard from the Spiritual Master, That is Living
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/08-10/editorials6409.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46589#more-46589
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Srila Prabhupada: I am in the initiator guru
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=12808#more-12808
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You can DIRECTLY associate with Srila Prabhupada by reading his books
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43179#comment-38047
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Brief History of Guru Hoax in ISKCON
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2302.htm
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Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=39834#comment-28208
Ritvik System is Bonafide
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-09/editorials4085.htm
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THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44093#more-44093
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Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=844
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/11-07/editorials2223.htm
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Ritvik – **Representative**
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/10-07/editorials2084.htm
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Ritvik System Is Bonafide
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-09/editorials4085.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46502#comment-45766
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Formalities
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47256#more-47256
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-08/editorials3324.htm
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Srila Prabhupada is the Guru,Acarya and Actual Initiator in ISKCON
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=13706#more-13706
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Brahmana (Kanistha)
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-09/editorials4258.htm
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The rescuer must be liberated
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2330.htm
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Tattva-darsinah
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2433.htm
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He is not a liberated person
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-08/editorials2491.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46769
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The Case for Blind Uttama Adhikaris
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/06-10/editorials6158.htm
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“under my order: guru hana – become a spiritual master”
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40622#more-40622
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Jesus Christ Predicts Appearance of Srila Prabhupada
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/07-10/editorials6258.htm
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Srila Prabhupada in Absentia BY: KURMA DASA (NOT THE CHEF)
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/04-10/editorials5991.htm
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Manipulative Bogus Self-Appointed GBC versus Srila Prabhupada’s “Direction of Management” (1970)
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46023
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GBC “ultimate managing authority” MUST follow the WILL of Srila Prabhupada’s Management.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46247#more-46247
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Disciplic Succession
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46737
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47210#more-47210
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2628.htm
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BRAHMA: PURE OR NOT PURE DEVOTEE SIMULTANEOUSLY
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46249#more-46249
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Satyam – Truthfulness
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-10/editorials6526.htm
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Mahajano yena gatah sa panthah
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/03-08/editorials2673.htm
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Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=4118#comment-31178
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Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
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Bhakta Raj Defeats Ajamila
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/09-10/editorials6568.htm
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Monitor does NOT give Diksa
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41025#more-41025
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Ritvik is OFFICIATING acarya
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41979#comment-40364
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The meaning of NIYAMAGRAHA in terms of EMERGENCY Ritvik Initiations
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42180
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A SINFUL MAN WHO ACTS AGAINST THE LAWS OF NATURE MUST BE PUNISHED, BUT SOMETIMES HE IS GIVEN A CHANCE TO PLAY
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42843#comment-31007
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Reply to Rocana Dasa on his COMPLETE MISUNDERSTANDING of BOTH the Guru and Ritvik Issue
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41135#more-41135
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=4118#comment-31193
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Reply to Nimai Pandit Prabhu and Rocana das
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=34065
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CON Trick from the Bogus GBC
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=34797#more-34797
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Governing Body Commission GBC
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44815#more-44815
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Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
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Srila Prabhupada appointing 11 Ritviks not Gurus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgumF51dMhA
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Hearing: The Real Tradition ( by Vidura Prabhu)
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/?p=37198
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Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2459.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41633
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Concerning The Actual, Legal Identity Of The BBT
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47020
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Defeat of Anti Ritvik “Tradition Argument “
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43390#comment-32486
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38959#comment-24845
http://www.iskcontimes.com/refutation-of-tradition-argument/
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Where is the order from Srila Prabhupada?
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/doar.html
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Duysanta Muddle Continues
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/dusyanta-muddle-continues-reply-by.html
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“Rigidly” And – Srila Prabhupada’s Disciple
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43390#comment-32515
Are ISKCON’s bogus Gurus aware of their deviations and why don’t they fear Krishna’s punishment?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40208#more-40208
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Srila Prabhupada Omniscient ?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40259#comment-25169
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Why did Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura reject Bipin Bihari Goswami?
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40259#comment-25182
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Exposing Gaudiya Math Twister Sankarshana das (Bhakta Suria)
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46691
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Heresies of GBC’s Guru System
GBC vs. Srila Prabhupada
By: Vikramasingha Das
http://krishna1008.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/heresies-of-gbcs-guru-system.html
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42585#more-42585
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Devotees will be interested in this:
Srila Prabhupada books searches:
http://prabhupadabooks.com/
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Process of 1st and 2nd Initiations in ISKCON
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=40917
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Sannyasa Asrama 5 parts:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42332
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42330
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42328
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42326
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42323
it is not incorrect, he has made and inspired thousands of devotees. Do you deny that?
He is not a “guy” he is a Vaisnava.
If you think he has preachd tirelessly over his devotional career just for money, then where is your proof?
My point is about balanced reporting. Some people with an overly critical mentality see only the bad. Are you unable to see any good?
Do you think Srila Prabhupada would have nothing good to say about all the achievements of Sivarama Swami?
Do you think Srila Prabhupada would call Sivarama Swami a “feculant arse wipe”?
You could say the same thing about the Pope who is ”preaching tirelessly” so what? Same thing. The Pope is a Satanist, gives the hand sign of Satan!, he is a member of The Knights of Malta Illuminati and a Jesuit Crypto Jew and protector of pedophiles, faggot boy buggerers, theives and killers. Marylin Manson is also ”inspiring” thousands of people so what? Is Shivaram distributing Prabhupada’s orignal books? NO he is persecuting those who do! Only Jew Advaita’s books who is himself inspired by Satanist Book Changers…John Dee, Francis Bacon, King James! and Chicago University Literary School which is founded, funded, managed and operated by the Satanist,Freemason Illuminati! THESE ARE SATANISTS, CHILD MURDERERS, RAPISTS, TORTURERS. Screw Shivaram! ”feculent arse-wipe” is putting it mildly……..Wake up to yourself!
Sundarananda das: He is not a “guy” he is a Vaisnava.
Mahesh: he is NOT a Vaisnava. He is a DEMON. This Anti Ritvik GOON has OCCUPIED Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa Guru position. Usurped Srila Prabhupada’s disciples,money. The GOON has no value. You are just tooooo SENTIMENTAL. Do some proper UNDERSTANDING of the philosophy FIRST by reading these articles:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47394#comment-49223
Sundarananda das: it is not incorrect, he has made and inspired thousands of devotees
Mahesh: BOGUS! The disciples are NOT his. Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS have MADE devotees. Get your FACTS right.This Anti Ritvik CROOK and his DEMON associates have STOLEN them from Srila Prabhupada by clever word jugglery and MANIPULATION.
Sundarananda das: Do you think Srila Prabhupada would call Sivarama Swami a “feculant arse wipe”?
Mahesh: Do some reading first:
THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=44093#more-44093
Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu explains three kinds of Vaishnavas:
An Ordinary Vaishnava:
prabhu-kare, ‘yanra mukhe suni eka-bara
krsna-nama, sei pujya, srestha sabakara
“Who chants the holy name of Krishna just once may be considered a Vaishnava. Such a person is worshipable and is the topmost human being.” (CC. Mad.15.106)
A Superior Vaishnava,
krsna-nama nirantara yanhara vadane
se vaisnava-srestha, bhaja tanhara carane
“A person who is always chanting the holy name of the Krishna is a superior Vaishnava and your duty is to serve his lotus feet.” (CC. Mad.16.72)
The Topmost Vaishnava,
yanhara darsane mukhe aise krsna-nama
tanhare janiha tumi vaisnava-pradhana
“The topmost Vaishnava is he/she whose very presence makes others chant the holy name of Krishna. Such a Vaishnava is superior to all others!” (CC. Mad.16.74)
I said he has made and inspired thousands of devotees, I didn’t say disciples. Of course Srila Prabhupadas books are the basis, preaching is the essence and purity is the force. Srila Prabhupadas books didn’t just drop out of the sky, they were distributed by Sankirtan teams under the guidance of Sivarama Swami. Also countless preaching programs etc.
If you are unable to comprehend that then our communication is not getting us anywhere.
You may benefit from the example of other saintly persons like Gauridas Pandit who as we know was Srila Prabhupadas servant at the time of the ritvik talks in Prabhupadas garden. He writes very nicely about this most important topic. I like his style as he co-operates with other Vaisnavas and doesnt use offensive language.
I am not a stooge to the ISKCON society, all the issues we discuss and talk about are of great concern to me. I simply don’t think its appropriate to call a sincere Vaisnava a “feculant arse wipe”
As I am just a sudra I shall make a point of following your advise (in your last paragraph) with regards to ‘sincere vaisnavas’, not to call them a bad name.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Sudarsana Das Vanacari:…with regards to ‘sincere vaisnavas’, not to call them a bad name.
Mahesh: Best to follow Srila Prabhupada’s advise – here is Srila Prabhupada’s instruction:
Note: IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH.ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. According to social conventions, it is said that one can speak the truth only when it is palatable to others. But that is not truthfulness. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
Note: THOSE WHO PRAISE MEN WHO ARE LIKE ANIMALS ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES
LCFL Life Comes From Life
Srila Prabhupada. Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh.
THIS VERSE INDICATES THAT THOSE WHO PRAISE MEN WHO ARE LIKE ANIMALS ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.” IF THE NOBEL PRIZE IS GIVEN TO A SCIENTIST WHO IS A RASCAL, THE MEN ON THE COMMITTEE WHO GIVE HIM THAT PRIZE ARE NO BETTER THAN DOGS, HOGS, CAMELS AND ASSES. WE DON’T ACCEPT THEM AS HUMAN BEINGS. ONE ANIMAL IS PRAISED BY ANOTHER ANIMAL. WHERE IS THE CREDIT IN THAT? If the men on the committee are no better than animals, anyone who receives the Nobel Prize in science is fool number one, because animals are praising him, not human beings.
Sundarananda das:I am not a stooge to the ISKCON society, all the issues we discuss and talk about are of great concern to me.
Mahesh: good to know.
Sundarananda das:I simply don’t think its appropriate to call a sincere Vaisnava a “feculant arse wipe”
Mahesh: Please TRY and UNDERSTAND. These Anti Ritvik CROOKS are NOT Vaisnava. There is a VERY VERY VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between SINCERE CHANTER and those who are ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada. ENVIOUS MATERIALISTIC Anti Ritvik CROOKS who OCCUPY Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position do NOT chant the holy name.
Note: Those that have USURPED Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position are NOT chanters of the Holy Name. They are INFACT—– MATERIALISTIC PERSONS:
Antya 3.59 T The Glories of Srila Haridasa Thakura
namera aksara-sabera ei ta’ svabhava
vyavahita haile na chade apana-prabhava
SYNONYMS
namera–of the holy name; aksara–letters; sabera–of all; ei–this; ta’–certainly; sva-bhava–the characteristic; vyavahita haile–even when improperly uttered; na–do not; chade–give up; apana-prabhava–their own spiritual influence.
TRANSLATION
“The letters of the holy name have so much spiritual potency that they act even when uttered improperly.
PURPORT
SRILA BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI THAKURA STATES THAT THE WORD VYAVAHITA (“IMPROPERLY UTTERED”) IS NOT USED HERE TO REFER TO THE MUNDANE VIBRATION OF THE LETTERS OF THE ALPHABET. SUCH NEGLIGENT UTTERANCE FOR THE SENSE GRATIFICATION OF MATERIALISTIC PERSONS IS NOT A VIBRATION OF TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND. Utterance of the holy name while one engages in sense gratification is an impediment on the path toward achieving ecstatic love for Krsna. On the other hand, if one who is eager for devotional service utters the holy name even partially or improperly, the holy name, who is identical with the Supreme Personality of Godhead, exhibits its spiritual potency because of that person’s offenseless utterance. Thus one is relieved from all unwanted practices, and one gradually awakens his dormant love for Krsna.
SB 2.9.8 P Answers by Citing the Lord’ s Version
The secret of success is to receive the sound from the right source of a bona fide spiritual master. MUNDANE MANUFACTURED SOUND HAS NO POTENCY, AND AS SUCH, SEEMINGLY TRANSCENDENTAL SOUND RECEIVED FROM AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON ALSO HAS NO POTENCY. One should be qualified enough to discern such transcendental potency, and either by discriminating or by fortunate chance if one is able to receive the transcendental sound from the bona fide spiritual master, his path of liberation is guaranteed. The disciple, however, must be ready to execute the order of the bona fide spiritual master as Lord Brahma executed the instruction of his spiritual master, the Lord Himself. Following the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the only duty of the disciple, and this completely faithful execution of the order of the bona fide spiritual master is the secret of success.
Sundarananda das: Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu explains three kinds of Vaishnavas.
Mahesh: Please refer to for -detailed- explanation on Brahmana (Kanistha)
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47106
Here is a more detailed reference to Madhyama Adhikari:
Diksa Given to Madhyama-adhikari is Not a Formality
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=844
Hare Krsna Sudarsana prabhu,
Yes agreed, the NWO motto for the ‘useless’ population is the same as for growing mushrooms… ‘keep them in the dark and feed them bull-dung’. The slave trader FISKON leaders treat their minions in exactly the same way!
Unfortunately I clicked on the above link (Vediciskcon) and was taken to an obnoxious site which proudly exclaimed>>
“This is a non-gaudiya math, non-ritvik, pro-bookedits, pro-JAS, anti-feminism, anti-egalitarianism website for Iskcon members under the GBC(in principle). All anti-iskcon persons remove your demoniac presence from my site! Haribol! TY!”
They also proudly proclaim>>>
“Truthful Report on All Iskcon Gurus
Click on the links to know about these gurus so that you wont regret your initiation or the time, money, energy you spent on them. This is not some ritvik hog stool attempt.
I’m trying to help you get close to those gurus who are following Prabhupada’s teachings nicely and simultaneously keep you away from those who have deviated from Prabhupada’s teachings.
Danavir Goswami, Jayadvaita Swami, Bhakti Vikas Swami, Trivikrama Swami, Bhakti Raghav Swami and Bhakti Vidya Purna Swami are perfect followers of Prabhupada. For the rest of them…click to find out!”
Also why do we have to give any credence to this asuric reprobate who supports & promotes JAS(pro-bookedits), by having this link on the Prabhupadanugas forum for the sake of this article.
हरे कृष्ण
Yfs,
Balaram das.
Hare Krsna
I hope Hungarian ex-Sivarama’s disciple will reply here to Sundarananda das.
In Hungary two bogus gurus teach Krsna Consciousness: Sivarama Swami and Paramadvaiti Maharaja.
Actually Sudarsana Prabhu’s writings help the sincere souls here.
Hare Krsna
DEMIGOD WORSHIP SPREADS TO ISKCON HUNGARY
“…the growing influence of demigod worship in ISKCON, this time at the ISKCON Hungary farm run by GBC voted-in guru HH Sivarama Swami, where deities of Goddess Durga and Lord Shiva (Shiva-lingam) were brought in procession into the temple. The temple authorities have justified the worship of these demigods by claiming that they are worshiping them as persons who can help them in their Krishna consciousness:”
http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/srs9.htm
Total deviation coming down from the so-called ‘top’ AS USUAL. Please read Srila Prabhupada’s Bhaktivedanta Purport Canto 4, 2 Text 35 Daksa Curses Lord Siva>>>
“….Persons who are compelled by lust and desire, go to the demigods to derive some material benefit. Bhagavad-gita uses the very specific words nasti buddhih, meaning persons who have lost their sense or intelligence. Only such persons care for the demigods and want to derive material benefit from them. Of course that does not mean that one should not show respect to the demigods, but there is no need to worship them. One who is honest may be faithful to the government, but he does not need to bribe a government servant, but that does not mean he does not show him respect……..Thus by worshiping the Supreme Personality of Godhead one can satisfy all the demigods, but by worshiping all the demigods one does not completely worship the Supreme Lord. THEREFORE THE WORSHIP OF THE DEMIGODS IS IRREGULAR, AND IT IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE SCRIPTURAL INJUNCTIONS.” (my emphasis)
In 1974 in Mumbai (then Bombay), we were on a walk with Srila Prabhupada when there was only the small deity room for Sri Sri Rasabihari in the middle of the bare Hare Krsna Land. There is a small Siva Mandir nearby and at the time it was Maha Sivaratri. Srila Prabhupada entered the Siva Mandir briefly to pay his respects, however told us we were not to do the same.
It is very clear that it is Srila Prabhupada who ‘helps us with our Krsna consciousness’ not the voted in rubber-stamped bogus guroos such as Sivaram swami who condones and encourages demigod worship against his spiritual master’s clear instructions, that are stated throughout his books, lectures and conversations. Do they even bother to read them anymore! And of course the gullible followers are all directed to the sahajya style offerings of these cheaters, instead of Srila Prabhupada’s original books*.
Yfs, Balaram das.
*ps.. they are STILL available in original unchanged form for those who are serious
Many good points Balarama prabhu, I would add that all sincere Vaisnavas “help us ” with our Krishna Consciousness. After all, we are a society based on devotional association.
Absolutely correct analysis Balaram Prabhu.
This demigod worship is another of their manufactured, speculative actions WHICH ARE NOT AUTHORIZED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA OR ANY OF THE PREVIOUS ACHARYAS WITHIN OUR SAMPRADAYA. Of course we all understand that Lord Shiva is the topmost Vaisnava and this is evident in his admission to the most intimate of Sri Krishna’s, Rasa Dance (Madhurya) pastimes in the form of Gopishvara Mahadeva and therefore should be respected in that way. It is obvious to all sincere followers of His Divine Grace that the Jewish, materialist, bodily conception of false identification is at play here, just to ”plunder the wealth” of the rich Hindu businessmen and their “Chutney Mary” westernized wives. This is just “corner shop” greedy, sleazy mentality and is typical of those such as The Grim Reaper and Paramadvaiti who are Mayavadi pretenders, and bogus rascals with no realization!
The ISKCON temples are meant to engage those persons who are encouraged to follow His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s authorized direction, to engage the whole world in the trancendental movement of Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu and not to “use” murti’s of the demigods to “pick the pockets of “Hindu, meat eating curry munchers!”
A Society based on the activities of a so called devotional association mixed with even a tiny subtle ” iccha – dives samutthena ……. Bg.7.27 ” on the basis of ” yathecchasi tatha kuru …. Bg. 18.63 ” are indeed not a Devotional Services at all even though it may seem to appear so.
Devotional Service is FREE FROM all material desire as per the Shastras, Sadhus and Guru, HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
How Krishna Consciousness is developed is very clearly explained by our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada in His letter dated Feb. 20, 1968 as follows ;
” Krishna Consciousness is developed by following two parallel lines,
means service of Krishna, and service of the Spiritual Master.
This is the secret of success. The Spiritual Master must be bona fide, that is,
he must come down from a bona fide Spiritual Master
and must act according to the directions of the Spiritual Master,
and by doing so, he gives proper directions about Krishna
and the devotees serve Krishna under the direction of such Spiritual Master,
and Krishna accepts service, and in this way the whole thing becomes beautiful and successful.”
The question is the following ;
Is this HH Sivarama Swami or any other Swami, Gurus in the present Iskcon ACTING according to the directions of their Spiritual Master HDG. Srila Prabhupada in the Iskcon Institute as the letter says ?
Certainly, it does not look like that he is indeed acting according to the directions of Srila Prabhupada.
Therefore, he and his followers do not serve Krishna and thus, Krishna does not accept service from these type of Guru and his followers.
Simply, Maha Maya keeps these type of gurus and their followers engaged in their respective activities for name, fame and status for gratifications.
It becomes obiously an activity of the CHEATERS and the CHEATING which goes on and on………UNTIL and / or UNLESS some one sincere takes shelter of The VANI of HDG. Srila Prabhupada in order to go back Home Back to Godhead.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Even—– the MOST BASIC qualification of Brahmana: TRUTHFULNESS (HONESTY) is SERIOUSLY LACKING in these Anti Ritvik CROOKS. They want to PRETEND to be Diksa Guru. But Diksa guru is ON TRANSCENDENTAL platform. This is ABOVE Brahmana platform. They are CHEATERS.
These Anti Ritvik CROOKS are NOT on transcendental platform – Krsna does NOT talk to them. HOW are they Transcendental VIA media? Diksa guru is MAHABHAGAVATA but these Anti Ritvik CROOKS are CHEATERS:
SB 1.2.17 T Divinity and Divine Service
śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ
hṛdy antaḥ-stho hy abhadrāṇi
vidhunoti suhṛt satām
Sri Krsna, the Personality of Godhead, who is the Paramatma [Supersoul] in everyone’s heart and the benefactor of the TRUTHFUL devotee, cleanses desire for material enjoyment from the heart of the devotee who has developed the urge to hear His messages, which are in themselves virtuous when properly heard and chanted.
Madhya 20.59 Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu Instructs Sanatana Gosvami in the Science
PURPORT
This verse is spoken by Prahlada Maharaja in Srimad-Bhagavatam (7.9.10). A brahmana is supposed to be QUALIFIED with twelve qualities. As stated in the Mahabharata:
dharmaś ca satyaṁ ca damas tapaś ca
amātsaryaṁ hrīs titikṣānasūyā
yajñaś ca dānaṁ ca dhṛtiḥ śrutaṁ ca
vratāni vai dvādaśa brāhmaṇasya
“A brahmana MUST be perfectly religious. HE MUST BE TRUTHFUL, and he must be able to control his senses. He must execute severe austerities, and he must be detached, humble and tolerant. He must not envy anyone, and he must be expert in performing sacrifices and giving whatever he has in charity. He must be fixed in devotional service and expert in the knowledge of the Vedas. These are the twelve qualifications for a brahmana.”
Bhagavad-gita describes the brahminical qualities in this way:
śamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṁ
kṣāntir ārjavam eva ca
jñānaṁ vijñānam āstikyaṁ
brahma-karma svabhāva-jam
“Peacefulness, self-control, austerity, purity, tolerance, HONESTY, wisdom, knowledge, and religiousness–these are the qualities by which the brahmanas work.” (Bg. 18.42)
In the Muktaphala-tika, it is said:
śamo damas tapaḥ śaucaṁ
kṣānty-ārjava-virakta yaḥ
jñāna-vijñāna-santoṣāḥ
satyāstikye dviṣaḍ guṇāḥ
“Mental equilibrium, sense control, austerity, cleanliness, tolerance, simplicity, detachment, theoretical and practical knowledge, satisfaction, TRUTHFULNESS and firm faith in the Vedas are the twelve qualities of a brahmana.
Note: the Anti Ritvik CROOKS are making OFFENSES against the chanting of the Holy Name because they are NOT Diksa Guru but PRETENDING to be Diksa guru ( Mahabhagavata) they are CHEATING the public:
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of a guru.))
Note: The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
Note: Anti Ritvik CROOKS are DEFYING Srila Prabhupada by replacing him as Diksa guru. This is 3rd offense in chanting the holy name:
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
Srila Prabhupada did NOT even AUTHORISE these DISHONEST Anti Ritvik CROOKS as Diksa Guru:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46581
750123CS.BOM Lectures
Pravrttim nivrttim ca jana na vidur asurah, na saucam napi cacarah: “There is no cleanliness, NOR GOOD BEHAVIOR.” Na satyam tesu vidya…: “And there is NO TRUTH IN THEIR LIFE.” This is asuric. We have heard many times, “ASURAS,” “asuric civilization,” “DEMONIC civilization.”
Just see! HOW MUCH these Anti Ritvik CROOKS deceitful.
In reply to Sundarananda das: As you have asked for a more balanced perspective.
Firstly I agree that name calling and insults are counter productive to any discussion and I believe if someone has a solid foundation of truth to stand on there’s no need for getting too personal. Just my opinion.
In the name of balance as to the ‘great service’ these senior men are purported to do, I would say they don’t do much service at all, or at least nothing extraneous. They do, however, take a great deal of service from others. It’s easy to manage something when you sit and give instructions and others actually do all the hard work. (Some of these senior men are also not the best managers by the way). In my experience these senior men simply lead some kirtan and give a few classes. I think anyone who has been in Iskcon would agree these are ‘cherry picking’ services with a ready made audience. Other than that the Swami’s and guru’s have all their cooking, cleaning, serving, lifting, driving, etc laid on for them by others. They don’t so much as wash a pair of socks and their accommodation, food, flights, footwear etc, etc, is all paid for by others hard work. If you added up the devotee hours that had gone into their service for one year, and their total expenditure keeping them in their current lifestyles I think you’ll find they take far more than the Deity in the temple room!
Sorry Sundarananda prabhu but it’s just not a balanced report when someone says “Oh he does so much great service, look at this project or that project’. It’s too vague, ethereal, as in reality we never see these Swamis and guru’s with their sleeves rolled up doing ANYTHING. It just sounds like sentiment, and when we look right into the heart of the matter it’s always the foot soldier devotees doing the great service, doing all the hard work, building projects up, keeping the farms, festivals and temples going – AND on top of it all, expending much energy in serving the Swami’s and Guru’s who we then glorify as being so amazing! (Actually you’d have to wonder how much more successful Iskcon might have been if we didn’t have the huge man-power and financial burden of serving these Swami’s and guru’s tied about our necks).
So I’ll say it one more time at the risk of repetition, the devotee rank and file, (as the big men call us) DO ALL THE HARD WORK, DO ALL THE SERVICE. The Swami’s and the guru’s TAKE SERVICE. They are served from the minute they wake until they climb into a freshly made bed. Their bags are carried to and from the car, they are chauffeur driven, they eat elaborate preparations made especially for them by the best chefs and dished up by waiter servants. They never have to step inside a supermarket, cut a vegetable, empty a rubbish bin, wipe a bench, mop a floor,… nothing! They don’t use a vacuum, duster, cleaning cloth, wash down the shower, hang clothes on a line, make a bed, or tie their own shoe laces.
So in the name of balance let’s be honest in or assessment of who is giving service and who is taking service from others.
Srila Prabhupada recognized “the real workers.”
“Regarding your questions you say that amongst the elder disciples there are still symptoms of greed, anger, strife, bickering, etc., but you are one of them. You are one of the old students, so you fall in that group. So the fighting is among that group, but not amongst the real workers.”
(Srila Prabhupada Letter to Krsna dasa, September 9, 1972)
What kind of ‘great service’ they are doing, if they are thinking that, “We are Maharajas, your kings, empowered and ordained by God. Fear the Lord and the king, your true masters. Being eternal servants of God and His representative the king, all your money and energy should be used in the mission of expanding Their Empire.” Of course their ‘God’ is not Krsna or His representative, but a deviated GBC. And false ISKCON is their Empire.
Srila Prabhupada and Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati both warn that one who covets the post of Vaisnava Acarya or tries to assume the post without authority causes havoc by his imitation. Even Sri Gadadhara Pandit, the incarnation of devotional energy, says he needs a direct order to initiate. He was not willing to assume the post of Supreme Personality of Servitor Godhead without a direct order from Lord Caitanya. Yet if we ask an ISKCON guru, “When did Srila Prabhupada order you to become the initiating spiritual master?” What will he say?
They’ll agree to be ritviks of a deviated GBC but not of Srila Prabhupada! They misrepresent the most exalted post of Vaisnava guru. By their deviation, they’ve opened the flood gate for sahjiya cheating and anarchy. Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura warned, “One who thinks he is guru is ‘garu’.” ‘Garu’ means cow. A cow is an animal. They may worship or serve a cow sometimes, but it remains an animal nonetheless.
Not Controlled by the GBC : In reply to Sundarananda das: As you have asked for a more balanced perspective.
Firstly I agree that name calling and insults are counter productive to any discussion and I believe if someone has a solid foundation of truth to stand on there’s no need for getting too personal. Just my opinion.
Mahesh: your idea, ” I believe if someone has solid foundation of truth to stand on there’s no need for getting too personal”——– means they will USE YOU AS A DOORMAT. You will accomplish NOTHING!
Judge by the RESULT: all the sweet words of reasoning HAVE FAILED!!!!!
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Prabhupada: Well, in politics, unless there is violence, you cannot take. Simply by sweet words, not possible.
SB 4.7.14 P The Sacrifice Performed by Daksa
It is commonly said that to give protection to animals, a stick is needed because animals cannot reason and argue. THEIR REASONING AND ARGUMENT IS ARGUMENTUM AD BACULUM; UNLESS THERE IS A ROD, THEY DO NOT OBEY. FORCE IS REQUIRED FOR THE ANIMALISTIC CLASS OF MEN, WHEREAS THOSE WHO ARE ADVANCED ARE CONVINCED BY REASONS, ARGUMENTS AND SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY. Persons who are simply attached to Vedic rituals, without further advancement of devotional service, or Krsna consciousness, are almost like animals, and Lord Siva is in charge of giving them protection and sometimes punishing them, as he punished Daksa.
KB 68 The Marriage of Samba
Although Lord Balarama patiently heard their insulting words and simply observed their uncivil behavior, from His appearance it was clear that He was burning with anger and was thinking of retaliating with great vengeance. His bodily features became so agitated that it was difficult for anyone to look at Him. He laughed very loudly and said: “It is true that if a man becomes too puffed up because of his family, opulence, beauty and material advancement, he no longer wants a peaceful life but becomes belligerent toward all others. It is useless to give such a person good instruction for gentle behavior and peaceful life, but on the contrary, one should search out the ways and means to punish him.” Generally, due to material opulence a man becomes exactly like an animal. TO GIVE AN ANIMAL PEACEFUL INSTRUCTIONS IS USELESS, AND THE ONLY MEANS IS ARGUMENTUM BACULUM. IN OTHER WORDS, THE ONLY MEANS TO KEEP ANIMALS IN ORDER IS A STICK.
Note: Sundarandanda das suppose someone comes to your house and kicks you out then tells your wife he will manage everything, all have to worship HIM, looks after your kids—with YOUR income, keeps the place neat and tidy—by telling YOUR wife to do it, invites devotees for “prasadam”—-with YOUR money, distributes CHANGED books, inspire thousands to worship CONDITIONED SOUL MANIPULATIVE CROOKS—– “as good as God” Diksa guru. And —–he chants “Hare Krishna” ——he has tilak, tulasi neckbeads clean shaven. Has his clean silk dhoti and all his travels, LUXURY etc paid —-at YOUR expense———you will think him as Vaisnava?
THIS is EXACTLY what ISKCON has gone thru. The Anti Ritvik CONDITIONED SOUL GOONS kicked OUT Srila Prabhupada and REPLACED with THEMSELVES as Diksa Guru. Replaced the Original Srila Prabhupada’s books with Jayadvaita CHANGED books. And—- the JACKALS want to be worshiped AS GOOD AS GOD.
Madhya 1.218 The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba: unless one serves a Vaisnava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaisnavas, his path is clear. Consequently Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu requested all the Vaisnavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaisnava sees that another Vaisnava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaisnavas are not envious. If a Vaisnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaisnavas become very joyful–that is, if they are truly Vaisnavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaisnavas. Why should a Vaisnava be envious of another Vaisnava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaisnava is very pleased to accept another Vaisnava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED. THIS IS ENJOINED IN THE SASTRA (UPEKSA). THE WORD UPEKSA MEANS NEGLECT. ONE SHOULD NEGLECT AN ENVIOUS PERSON. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. THERE ARE MANY JEALOUS PEOPLE IN THE DRESS OF VAISNAVAS IN THIS KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS MOVEMENT, AND THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY NEGLECTED. THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA. When Narottama dasa Thakura says chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba, he is indicating an actual Vaisnava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava.
Madhya 1.220 The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
This behavior is indicative of real Vaisnavas. When they saw that Rupa and Sanatana were fortunate enough to receive the mercy of the Lord, they were so pleased that they all congratulated the two brothers. A jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava is not at all happy to see the success of another Vaisnava in receiving the Lord’s mercy. UNFORTUNATELY IN THIS AGE OF KALI THERE ARE MANY MUNDANE PERSONS IN THE DRESS OF VAISNAVAS, AND SRILA BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA HAS DESCRIBED THEM AS DISCIPLES OF KALI. HE SAYS, KALI-CELA. HE INDICATES THAT THERE IS ANOTHER VAISNAVA, A PSEUDOVAISNAVA WITH TILAKA ON HIS NOSE AND KANTHI BEADS AROUND HIS NECK. SUCH A PSEUDOVAISNAVA ASSOCIATES WITH MONEY AND WOMEN AND IS JEALOUS OF SUCCESSFUL VAISNAVAS. ALTHOUGH PASSING FOR A VAISNAVA, HIS ONLY BUSINESS IS EARNING MONEY IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA. BHAKTIVINODA THAKURA THEREFORE SAYS THAT SUCH A PSEUDOVAISNAVA IS NOT A VAISNAVA AT ALL BUT A DISCIPLE OF KALI-YUGA. A disciple of Kali cannot become an acarya by the decision of some high court. Mundane votes have no jurisdiction to elect a Vaisnava acarya. A Vaisnava acarya is self-effulgent, and there is no need for any court judgment. A false acarya may try to override a Vaisnava by a high-court decision, but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.
Madhya 1.218 The Later Pastimes of Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu
Srila Narottama dasa Thakura says, chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba: unless one serves a Vaisnava, he cannot be delivered. The spiritual master initiates the disciple to deliver him, and if the disciple executes the order of the spiritual master and does not offend other Vaisnavas, his path is clear. Consequently Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu requested all the Vaisnavas present to show mercy toward the two brothers, Rupa and Sanatana, who had just been initiated by the Lord. When a Vaisnava sees that another Vaisnava is a recipient of the Lord’s mercy, he becomes very happy. Vaisnavas are not envious. If a Vaisnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by Him to distribute the Lord’s holy name all over the world, other Vaisnavas become very joyful–that is, if they are truly Vaisnavas. One who is envious of the success of a Vaisnava is certainly not a Vaisnava himself, but an ordinary mundane man. Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people, not by Vaisnavas. Why should a Vaisnava be envious of another Vaisnava who is successful in spreading the holy name of the Lord? An actual Vaisnava is very pleased to accept another Vaisnava who is bestowing the Lord’s mercy. A mundane person in the dress of a Vaisnava should not be respected but rejected. This is enjoined in the sastra (upeksa). The word upeksa means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher’s duty is to love the Supreme Personality of Godhead, make friendships with Vaisnavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous. There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaisnavas in this Krsna consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISNAVA. When Narottama dasa Thakura says chadiya vaisnava seva nistara payeche keba, he is indicating an actual Vaisnava, not an envious or jealous person in the dress of a Vaisnava.
Note: Here is what Srila Prabhupada says on HOW to ACT. Srila Prabhupada uses the appropriate words of description JACKALS, RASCALS:
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So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA.
Thank you very much. (end)
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
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Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making
little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
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SO WHEN YOU BECOME ACTUALLY PREACHER OF GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY COMPROMISE. YOU MUST CALL THE SPADE A SPADE. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. Prahlada Maharaja is one of the mahajanas. Out of the twelve mahajanas, he’s one of them. Because he was very bold. He was not afraid of his demonic father. He chastised him in so many ways. But he was never afraid. So just like our people are being persecuted in Australia. You know? They have been put into jail because they are preaching Hare Krsna. SO THIS IS NOT VERY EASY THING, EASY-GOING. MY GURU MAHARAJA, BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI GOSVAMI MAHARAJA, HE DID NOT LIKE THAT HIS DISCIPLES WOULD BE EASY-GOING, CHEAP VAISNAVA.
Note: Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it.
Bg 10.4-5 P The Opulence of the Absolute
Asammoha, freedom from doubt and delusion, can be achieved when one is not hesitant and when he understands the transcendental philosophy. Slowly but surely he becomes free from bewilderment. Nothing should be accepted blindly; everything should be accepted with care and with caution. Ksama, forgiveness, should be practiced, and one should excuse the minor offenses of others. Satyam, truthfulness, means that facts should be presented as they are for the benefit of others. FACTS SHOULD NOT BE MISREPRESENTED. ACCORDING TO SOCIAL CONVENTIONS, IT IS SAID THAT ONE CAN SPEAK THE TRUTH ONLY WHEN IT IS PALATABLE TO OTHERS. BUT THAT IS NOT TRUTHFULNESS. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE SPOKEN IN A STRAIGHT AND FORWARD WAY, SO THAT OTHERS WILL UNDERSTAND ACTUALLY WHAT THE FACTS ARE. IF A MAN IS A THIEF AND IF PEOPLE ARE WARNED THAT HE IS A THIEF, THAT IS TRUTH. ALTHOUGH SOMETIMES THE TRUTH IS UNPALATABLE, ONE SHOULD NOT REFRAIN FROM SPEAKING IT. TRUTHFULNESS DEMANDS THAT THE FACTS BE PRESENTED AS THEY ARE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OTHERS. THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF TRUTH.
Hare Krishna Mahesh prabhu,… If I say “They are taking service” then that is the truth. I don’t believe that by me adding a bunch of insults after that statement that it makes it any more potent. Neither does it make me a doormat to speak the plain truth without using insults, (though I get your point that to be too weak one can become a doormat). Yes His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada spoke strongly sometimes, and he was always a perfect gentleman and could argue the truth without using the kind of insults we read herein on this site. So in that sense – in the name of truth – I would say some contributors here are at times not following Srila Prabhupada’s mood but have concocted a new level of insulting others when trying to get their point across. As Prabhupadanuga’s why can’t we speak the truth in a strong, gentlemanly manner? Arjuna was a perfect Vaisnava AND a powerful warrior.
All glories to Srila Prabhupad.
Yes, “Not Controlled By the GBC” Prabhu. I take that as a valid comment as such words are an expression of anger. In these days of “political correctness” one must not get angry and this is a form of repression and control, this is why NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) is used by charismatic leaders (who are just liars, thieves and murderers) and seek to control the World through this type of “new-age, interfaith, ”environmental”, cultural melting-pot, feminist, cultural Marxist, LGBT “friendly”, CO2 hysteria, family destroying, religion intolerant, bullshit!). There is a good description of NLP on the website of Capt. Ajit Vadakayil (in relation to Obama’s “charismatic” speeches). On the subject of NLP (and some other topics also) he makes some very good points, although on other topics I disagree (his language can also be “somewhat colorful” as he is a Sea Captain, and herein also lies some similarity as I also was a merchant seafarer for 10 years!).
If you see the vid of the book changers (Garuda and Dravida) in America you can clearly feel the tension and frustration as the devotees (whilst only given 60 seconds each to speak!) are ”seething with anger” expressing their displeasure and disagreement with the book-changes. This will not change the situation as this is just a “damage control” exercise by the “leaders” who consider themselves the “experts” due to some ”mundane academic qualification” (which they argue NULLIFIES the authority of Srila Prabhupada’s order) to make these demonic and offensive ”changes” to Srila Prabhupada’s transcendental books, (those very timeless words, being conveyed through the Parampara, from The Supreme Lord Sri Krishna Himself!)
As we have already seen (over decades) that just ”voicing our concerns” just isn’t going to change these people, it is just giving them more ”amunition”, the opportunity to “single you out” so that they can isolate you, ignore you, discourage you, banish you or threaten you! After all these guys poisoned Srila Prabhupada and usurped his position through extreme violence and skullduggery, kicking out all the sincere devotees who gave their blood to establish ISKCON When Jesus Christ saw that the Jewish “religious” hypocrites were using the temples as some “money making business” he did not contain his anger, or call a meeting, or arrange to have ”his grievances” addressed!…..No he hit them with a big stick, overturned their tables, their money flying everywhere and drove them out!, out of the temple! (did he have an “anger management issue?”…..This is what they would say to you! so they can crucify you in the courtroom while the “leaders” gather all the “devotees” to give evidence against you, make an example out of you. This is what they did to me in New Zealand! after I was charged by them over some minor altercation (even though I apologized to the TP, after he rang me half an hour later).
I made the Chakra atop of the Christchurch Temple, I also made Ananta Sesa Murti (of Silver, Gold, and Rubies), which is placed below ground, in the corner of the temple, to hold up the temple and protect it. These Dieties (Gaura Nitai) were ”installed” by Bhavananda (one of Srila Prabhupada’s poisoners!). The ”leaders” tried also to destroy my business, and were involved in covering up child sex predators, especially Ramai, Prabhavisnu and Kalasamvara.
I wrote my ”concerns” to Tamal Krishna (Srila Prabhupada’s poisoner!) about Ramai, BUT WAS OF COURSE IGNORED! When I came back to Australia, an earthquake hit Christchurch, The Supreme Lord completely destroyed Christchurch Temple, shaking it of it’s foundation! The Dieties of Gaura Nitai “walked off the alter”, striking the marble floor and disintegrated into pieces.
Tamal Krishna was almost decapitated and killed in a car crash as was Kalasamvara’s wife (Kalasamvara survived). This is when I was visited by Tamal’s ghost, he was silent, defeated, his face gaunt, deathly, expressionless, speechless, resigned to his fate, haunted….he knew the game was up. Were they discussing me, at the time of the accident? Who knows? Perhaps this is the reason I was visited by his ghost, a kind of “last impression” (samskara), but The lord allows you to see the truth, if one follows the direction of Srila Prabhupada. One may only have one or two visions in ones own lifetime, BUT THESE ARE VERY POWERFUL EVENTS AND SOLIDIFY ONES RESOLVE TO FAITHFULLY ADHERE TO THE DIRECTIONS OF SRILA PRABHUPADA NO MATTER HOW GREAT THE OBSTACLES MAY BE, EVEN IF ONE IS ISOLATED OR FEELS NEGLECTED, MISUNDERSTOOD, FORGOTTEN, ISOLATED…….IGNORED!
Krishna does not accept the worship of Kali Chela, cheats and rascals. Now they have built new temple in Christchurch once again installed by Kali Chela rascals and fools Devamrita (Dave’s Not Here!) and Ramai etc etc. Still protecting sex offenders in Australasia “Zone”, they are simply fools and rascals (AND CANNOT HAVE ANY REALIZATION OF THE SUPREME LORD AS THEY DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY OF SRILA PRABHUPADA, DUE TO DEFYING HIS INSTRUCTIONS.
Although Sundarananda Prabhu believes that if I were to go to Hungary (and stay at guest house dedcated to Srila Prabhupada’s poisoner, Tamal Krishna!) and ”voice my concerns” to The Grim Reaper!, worship Dieties ”installed and maintained” by Mayavadi and Hindu pretenders, that this may be of some benifit to my spiritual life, is an idea that is I am sure, well intentioned………..but I am afraid ‘extremely naive!’ Sundarananda Prabhu sees The Grim Reaper as a Vaisnava, but all I see is a Jew in a disguise!, who has changed his name and dress to fool others into becoming his slave, yes! even The Three Stooges changed their name from Horowitz to Howard (this is very common for them), that is why one has to see through the disguise. Tamal Krishna was a ”pretty smooth operator” also, he could be very charismatic, and speak very complimentary, make you feel special!, give you a lot of attention, praise you in front of others!, chastise others in your presence and then seek your approval!” Then you’ll be thinking Oh! he must think I am very advanced!…….and then you have been snared by him! This is THE BEGINNING OF THE END FOR YOU!
Pehaps Sundarananda Prabhu has some “pressure” from a family member or friend who has become a “victim” to the delusional, controlling, seductive, charisma of The Grim Reaper!……..This is what I suspect, as it is in my own experience with my daughter and ex-wife who have’nt spoken a word to me for the last 8 or so years because I told them the truth about their ”guru” Jayapataka.
Yes!, this is very difficult and a common thing in ”cults” like FISKCON!………But what to do? Should I lie and tell them, “Oh, he’s actually OK?” As much as it pains me, how can I mislead them by saying this?
One pays a heavy price in this world for telling the truth. It is not an easy thing. Maya is constantly pressuring us to compromise and betray what is real. This is why there are so many cheaters who want to fool us, they are agents of Kali, THAT IS ALL! This is the test, how much does it take to break your resolve? Only Srila Prabhupada is present and only Acharya and Diksha Guru for ISKCON only him and no other (by his own written order!).
Daso Smi
Sudarsana.
Dear Sudarsana prabhu, thank you for sharing that. I hear your anger at the way you were treated after giving so many years of dedicated service. These ungrateful leaders seem to have no integrity, human decency, and appear narcissistic in the way they treat themselves over others. This is my truth after studying them for many years and being privy to some of what goes on behind the scenes. I walked away and will never go back. It was an unfavourable environment for my spiritual growth. Sadly this is an anger and grief that thousands of us carry from our experience in Iskcon. I would say these guys did us the greatest service. Just imagine what it would be like still being in there as a blinded fanatical follower? By driving us out they drove us back to the shelter of Srila Prabhupada where we get to freely read his books and chant without mental complexities and conflict. For this I give thanks everyday.
Yes, absolutely Prabhu. It is Lord Krishna’s Mercy and a great blessing to be “kicked out” from the ”association” of these mendacious criminals, a kind of ”right of passage!” They have no compassion and no gravity, that is why they do not care about Srila Prabhupada or that he was poisoned. There is a vid of Tamal Krishna fanning Srila Prabhupada (I don’t know if you have seen it?, perhaps others have?), where Tamal is holding a chamara and as he is fanning, he has his middle finger ”sticking out”, very clearly giving Srila Prabhupada the “finger!”
This is very disturbing footage and cannot be mistaken for something accidental as Tamal is looking very menacing and agitated! This is their mentality! So of course we should not walk around “under a cloud” as Krishna has opened our eyes (and this can be painful), but one who has NO anger when he sees such rascaldom and venomous envy, has no soul!
Yes, we are all fortunate not to have the “association” of these deceitful, reprobates.
I am sure there are many who have similar experiences, this is why we see temples only filled with ”twenty-somethings” all “stary-eyed”, their eyes filled with delusional, sentimental attachment and misplaced devotional to these personalities until they either burn-out or Krishna opens their eyes!
Always glad to hear your comments and thank you for those kind words.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari:In these days of “political correctness” one must not get angry…
Mahesh: In ISKCON these Anti Ritvik CROOKS use the political correctness to GAG devotees from finding out the TRUTH about their nefarious acts of HUGE salary taking, bogus conditioned soul guru rubber-stamping enterprise, secret money screwing, etc . Political Correctness IS a problem.
Many years ago I wrote this article:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46754
Here are some Political Correctness TRICK terms in use. Take a special note HOW they will HIDE the words “Ritvik System” from their vocabulary—-and—- TRY EXTRA HARD to JUSTIFY -because- their ILL-GOTTEN INCOME FROM ISKCON COFFERS is at stake:
1) “Tone it down , prabhu” this term is often used when you explain the RITVIK System out aloud to everyone. The people behind the “tone it down” have some Anti Ritviks as “friends” around ISKCON circles they do not want to upset so this is WHY they say “tone it down, prabhu”
2) “I do not call it the Ritvik System”,”I call it Prabhupada Acarya system “. ” I call it the Officiating Acarya System” This terms are often used when the individuals have brokered some DEALS with the Anti Ritvik CROOKS in ISKCON —–and they really do not want to upset them.
3) I do not use the word “RITVIK” because …..( … then the person proceedes to give all sorts of lame excuses to you) – this means that this individual has got BIG friends in GBC, ISKCON etc who he does not wish to see EXPOSED—– AND—– at the SAME time try and be “friends” with you. Duplitious.
4) “Ritviks are nice people BUT…….etc etc etc..”….this sorts have some BIG SALARY INCOME from ISKCON coffers. They KNOW they will NOT be able to defeat the “Ritviks” so they want to play at being “Mr nice guy” public image and at the same time turn attention elsewhere.
5)”Ritvikism” – the people who use this term are often BOUGHT by the bogus gbc. They have HUGE SALARY PAYOFFS for maintaining/PROMOTING the Anti Ritvik attitude.
6) “Ritviks are making up the Prabhupada was poisoned I was there etc etc etc” – those who use this term have got on-going Dal and Chappatie business within ISKCON circles. They do not want to lose the money, business connection etc in ISKCON they are buddies with the Srila Prabhupada poison givers and company.
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Coming back to Sundarananda Prabhu again –
Sundarananda das : If you think he has preachd tirelessly over his devotional career just for money, then where is your proof?
Mahesh: Sundarananda Prabhu, please ask this Sivarama fellows HINDU disciple Srutidharma (he raises MONEY from RICH HINDUS) at Bhaktivedanta Manor just how much money they have been SCREWING:
Bhaktivedanta Manor Accounts SALARIES
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=38907#comment-24810
http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends49/0000259649_ac_20111231_e_c.pdf
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-08/editorials2459.htm
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41633
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HINT!!!! (……if you get it, that is): This Sivarama fellow is a VERY RICH guy. Has been floating in UK in his LUXURY caravan long time. Money for this has not fallen from the sky. Sannyasa is about RENUNCIATION:
Sannyasa Asrama 5 parts:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42332
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42330
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42328
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42326
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42323
“We request you to chant HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE, HARE RAMA HARE RAMA, RAMA RAMA HARE HARE, and your life will be sublime.”
Sundarananda das : Sivarama Swami has preached tirelessly over his devotional career and made and inspired thousands of devotees. The standard of deity worship in Hungary is probably the highest in the world.
I’m not being an apologist here, but in the interest of free speach and fairness, I need to shine some light on the positive.
Mahesh: IF Sundarananda Prabhu, you are not apologist then atleast you have to accept that this Sivarama is DEMON (asura).
This DEMON Sivarama was best of friends with DEMON Tamal Krsna who we ALL know was INVOLVED in giving poison to Srila Prabhupada along with other DEMONS:
Srila Prabhupada poisoned:
The following sites has whispers of the poison givers:
To hear the whole CD of the Nov 10 1977 Conversations from beginning to end, please click
http://www.mediafire.com/?ppvh77orok1r7vh
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Srila Prabhupada Given Poison:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42549#comment-29598
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43821
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=42564#more-42564
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46843#more-46843
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/poison/poison-whispers.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIBqNBMbPvY&t=316s
Sivarama DEMON has REPLACED Srila Prabhupada with himself as Diksa guru. He is NOT Mahabhagavat the QUALIFICATION for Diksa Guru:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=47394#comment-49266
He is has NO authority from Srila Prabhupada to be Diksa guru:
Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan:
Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
Note: “When I order”– NO ORDER WAS GIVEN. On the contrary, the ONLY instruction that followed TWO months AFTER was as per 9th July 1977 Letter, that they were to act in the capacity of Ritvik Representative of Acarya and the disciples initiated would be Srila Prabhupada’s, NOT theirs.
IF Srila Prabhupada would have ordered BEFORE 1977, then there would be no point in 1977 of him stating in 1977 WHEN I order. It was SPECIFICALLY in the year 1977 that Srila Prabhupada said “WHEN I order” NOT before, so AFTER the year 1977, WHERE is the evidence of THAT order?
Prabhupada: “When I order, “You become guru,” he becomes regular guru. That’s all. He becomes disciple of my disciple. That’s it.”
(Srila Prabhupada Conversation, May 28, 1977, Vrindavan)
“Self-made guru cannot be guru. HE MUST BE AUTHORIZED BY THE BONA FIDE GURU. Then he’s guru. This is the fact…Similarly, bona fide guru means he must be authorized by the superior guru.”
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Nectar of Devotion, October 31. 1972)
“One should take initiation from a bona fide spiritual master coming in the disciplic succession, who is AUTHORIZED BY HIS PREDECESSOR SPIRITUAL MASTER. This is called diksa-vidhana.”
(Srimad Bhagavatam 4.8.54, purport)
Prabhupada: “Try to understand. Don’t go very speedily. A GURU CAN BECOME GURU WHEN HE’S ORDERED BY HIS GURU. That’s all. Otherwise nobody can become guru.
(Srila Prabhupada Lecture on Bhagavad-gita 7.2, Nairobi, October 28, 1975)
Note: this DEMON Sivarama has OCCUPIED Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa guru position:
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Prabhupada: Then so siksa and diksa-guru… A SIKSA-GURU WHO INSTRUCTS AGAINST THE INSTRUCTION OF SPIRITUAL, HE IS NOT A SIKSA GURU. HE IS A DEMON. Siksa-guru, diksa-guru means… Sometimes a diksa-guru is not present always. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the siksa-guru. Siksa-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the diksa-guru. He is not a siksa-guru. He is a rascal.