SAILING TO JAMBŪDVĪPA
The Māyāpur Vedic Planetarium and
the Flat Earth According to Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam
(1.0) A New Earth
The Vedic Planetarium in Māyāpur, West Bengal, India (presently well under construction as of November 2015), is an attempt to present the cosmography* [Cosmography is the science that maps the general features of the cosmos or universe, describing both heaven and Earth] of the Universe according to the ancient Vedic literature, primarily the Fifth Canto of Śrīmad- Bhāgavatam as translated and presented by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda. Śrīla Prabhupāda is the Founder-Ācārya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, popularly known as the Hare Krishna society. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam otherwise known as the Bhāgavata Purāṇa was originally spoken by the great Vedic sage Śrīla Vyāsadeva to his son Śukadeva Goswāmī and is described as being the essence or cream of all Vedic literature and histories sarva-vedetihāsānāṁ sāraṁ (SB 1.3.41). Canto 1, chapter 5, verse 11 of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam predicts that this literature will bring about a revolution in the impious lives of this world’s misdirected civilization (janatāgha-viplavo). The Māyāpur Vedic Planetarium is based on the cosmography of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and was one of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s main projects to counteract the prevailing materialistic world view of life and the cosmos.
The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam’s depiction of the universe immediately creates a clash of world- views that most people may prefer to avoid, and that includes many of the followers of the Vedas who find it difficult to understand or conceptualize the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam’s depiction of Earth and its relation to the greater universe. We have all grown up with an image of Earth as a rotating ball in space, and we’re pretty happy with that. But how did we get that image and conception of a globe into our heads? Is the globe-shaped Earth an authentic image, and is the Earth truly a round planet rotating in space around the sun? Will it come to be, that one of the most earth-shattering events in our life is the discovery of the real nature of Earth itself? What will the Māyāpur Vedic planetarium reveal? To quote from the Book of Revelations, a Christian book of prophecy:
And I saw a new heaven and a new Earth, for the first heaven and the first Earth were passed away (Rev 21.1)
Will the Māyāpur Vedic Planetarium reveal a new looking Earth? Or will it look like the one that The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) has been presenting ever since the first photographs of Earth taken in 1969, reputedly taken from outer space as the Apollo spacecraft made its way to the moon? This subject can be of interest to all of us; not only because we certainly ought to know the location and shape of the Earth that we live on, but also because the position and shape of the Earth has wider implications in regard to the world views we will adopt, created by either a materialistic or transcendental perspective. We have on our hands a clash of world- views that is truly mind-blowing. » complete article here «
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Buy 3 rubber duckies, some string, and a surveyor’s telescope (or grab some binoculars!). Go to your local lake. At the far end tie one duck with string to a rock heavy enough to anchor the floating rubber ducky near the shore. With a rowing boat do the same in the middle of the lake. Place the last ducky in a straight line at the remaining (near) end. You are there!
Now set up your surveyor’s telescope down low at the water’s edge (or lie down with your binoculars) so that you can see all three ducks in a row. With enough of a breeze all 3 ducks will point in the same direction and you will be able to line up their beaks (you might have to adjust the position of the nearest ducky to achieve this).
You will observe one or more of three phenomena.
1. The centre duck is higher than the other two.
2. The furthest duck is lower.
3. All 3 ducks are level, meaning that (a) the lake is too small to show the curvature of the Earth; or (b) the Earth is flat.
In case of (3.), find a larger lake and repeat the experiment. The average curvature of the Earth is 7.98 inches per mile. Really you only need a furlong (220 yards) to witness a variable of ONE INCH.
Even in an Olympic size swimming pool, the centre ducky will be one-eighth of an inch (⅛”) higher. Because of gravity, water finds its own level, and because the Earth is spherical no large body of water is indeed flat. Granted, there is a slight meniscus at the edges due to surface tension – but all that is needed to counter this is to place each rubber ducky a few feet in from said edges – whether it be a swimming pool, a lake, or indeed the Panama Canal.
A Primary School student can do this experiment and verify the curvature of the Earth. You don’t need a Science Degree, fancy equipment or long-winded professorial academic-style manifesto to prove this.
Hare Kṛṣṇa
Ys, Sam Treloar (formerly “Cigarette Sam”)
हरे कृष्ण
Thank you Bhakta Sam,
Therefore the need arose for Doplar (Over The Horizon) Radar!
In Srila Prabhupada’s famous blue room in Melbourne Radha Vallabha Mandir, I put a traditional Earth Globe with an interior light on his desk. This can be seen in some videos of him preaching to select guests, while he was seated on his blue chaise-longue.
When Srila Prabhupada would come down for the evening program, he would turn all his room lights off and just leave the illuminated Earth Globe switched on, which would appear as if floating in space. He had no objections to seeing the Earth planet in that way!
Yfs, Bal.
Thanks Prabhu!
Being human, I have made some errors of course. After learning more on the topic, and trying to come to grips with the mathematics involved, here’s an update:
Indeed the figure is 7.98 inches per mile SQUARED (whatever that means : – )
In short, at a distance of 1 mile it is 8″ but at 2 miles it is more than double. At 3 miles the drop down is nearly 6 feet yet at 10 miles it is 66 ft! The further away the greater the increase because we are dealing with a curve, not a slope.
And correspondingly over short distances such as my stupid use of the swimming pool analogy, the amount of difference would be negligent and very hard to measure. I was trying to make a point and got a bit too carried away. I don’t know the exact distance but somewhere along that mile there would be a perceivable, measurable effect. At 100yds it is a mere 25 thousandths of an inch – not 1″ per furlong! Turns out it is ⅛” at 220yd (a furlong).
That still might be a little hard to verify using binoculars. But at 621.16 yards, a good size for a small lake, it’s an inch difference in height. The middle duckie would therefore be half an inch higher than the other two. And no, I haven’t actually done the experiment. I have faith that the Earth is a sphere ha ha for at least a dozen sane reasons – including aeroplane travel, the seasons, differences between the North and South Hemispheres and completely different constellations seen in night skies, time zones, the fact that the North and South Poles alternate in 6 months of day and night per year. Roughly.
Sorry all for the misleading ‘science’ ha ha!
Ys, Sam
My apologies again.
I have also since learnt that rubber duckies so close to the water aren’t the best choice, due to the humid air bending light above the surface. Known as refraction this enables one to see further across a body of water than direct line of sight – the mistake made in The Bedford Level Experiment. It was corrected by Alfred Wallace who used poles set at 13 feet above the water to avoid the errors caused by light rays bent by humid air at surface level. Indeed the centre pole was almost three feet higher than the poles at either end (a six-mile length of the Old Bedford River in the United Kingdom).
Haribol! Bhakta Sam.
Hey! What am I going to do with these 3 rubber duckies and this 220 yards of string?
Ha! Ha! ………….just kidding!
Hare Krsna Bhakta Sam,
As you say ” completely different constellations seen in night skies”.
If sailing from the Northern Hemisphere in the Pacific and heading South, the Southern Cross (Crux) does not become visible until near the Equator, then seen increasingly higher in the sky, the further sailing South. This proves the curvature of the surface of the Earth.
Crux is easily visible from the southern hemisphere at practically any time of year. It is also visible near the horizon from tropical latitudes of the northern hemisphere for a few hours every night during the northern winter and spring. For instance, it is visible from Cancun or any other place at latitude 25° N or less, at around 10 pm at the end of April. There are 5 main stars. Due to precession, Crux will move closer to the South Pole in the next millennia, up to 67 degrees south declination for the middle of the constellation.
In the Southern Hemisphere, the Southern Cross is frequently used for navigation in much the same way that Polaris is used in the Northern Hemisphere.
I’m sure that Sudarsana prabhu as an ex merchant navy seaman, would confirm this little bit of ‘trivia’.
Bolo,
Yfs, Balaram das.
Well, Balaram Prabhu. I was never tasked with navigation as that is the job of the ‘mates’ (1st, 2nd, and 3rd mates and sometimes the Skipper). There was no incentive to join The Officers Guild when I went to sea (late 60s and 70s), because we (The Seaman’s Union) had it much better than they did, hence there were many Officers that threw it in, and became members of The Seaman’s Union. My task on the ‘bridge’ would be on ‘lookout’ or at the ‘helm’.
I would agree however in regards to the curvature of the land mass but not necessarily as a ‘spherical’ configuration. A lotus leaf is also curved but is a different shape than a ball.
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Hare Krsna, dear Prabhus,
According to Srila Prabhupada a devotee has to use his own intelligence to understand different things.
So if a devotee says the „Earth is flat”, other devotees can say „you are wrong”.
But Mayesvara prabhu actually wants to explain „the real” meaning of Srila Prabhupada’s original words. He certainly does this from good intention. But this is very dangerous. Because we have to accept our Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada’s words AS IT IS.
„Even if there appears to be some discrepancy according to an imperfect devotee’s estimation, the devotee should be fixed in the conviction that even if his spiritual master goes to a liquor shop, he is not a drunkard; rather, he must have some purpose in going there..” (Antya 3.11.)
Therefore I can not try to judge Mayesvara prabhu.
But I would like to ask the Prabhus’s opinion on the following excerpt (part 3 ):
Mayesvara dasa :
“Srila Prabhupäda, as mentioned, actually discussed this conquest of Jambüdvépa by the Pandavas in his purport to srimad-Bhägavatam 1.16.12. Again in a lecture in 1973 he referred to Mahäräja Yudhistira passage into Jambüdvépa via the Arctic region. Bhakti-prema Däsa again mentioned this history to Srila Prabhupäda in 1977 whilst showing the planetary sketches for the Vedic planetarium:
Prabhupäda: They will be puzzled. These material scientists will be puzzled. (laughter)
Bhakti-Prema: But according to Srimad-Bhägavatam, in the beginning of creation we have relation with all this, in India. Even five thousand years ago Pariksit Mahäräja went and he conquered this area. I have translated this. This Tattvata-varsa was conquered by… And this Ramya-varsa was also conquered. And Vardhanya also… And then this is Bhärata-varsa, this whole world.
Tamäla Krsna: Where?
Bhakti-Prema: This.
Tamäla Krsna: That is Bhärata-varsa.
Bhakti-Prema: Yeah, and he was presiding here. He was living here. And then he crossed this mountain.
Prabhupäda: Crossed?
Bhakti-Prema: Yes. And he conquered it. Not only he saw, he conquered it. And it is surrounded by five other oceans.
(Showing of Planetary Sketches, June 28, Vrindavana, 1977)
So if it is true that the Pandavas, and later their grandson Pariksit Mahäräja, controlled Jambüdvépa from their capital in India, then a question for avocates of a round-shaped Earth arises; namely, where is the round Earth in relation to Jambüdvépa? If Earth is a round ball in space, where is Jambüdvépa to be found? Where is Jambüdvépa in NASA’s pictures?
Such a conception of a globe ball in space does not make any sense in the light of Srimad-Bhägavatam’s description. Srimad-Bhägavatam describes that Earth is part of Bhärata-varsa and literally next door to Kimpuruña-varsa. Bhärata-varña is surrounded by Jambüdvépa‖s salt water ocean; not by space. At the northern point of Earth is an 80,000 mile mountain over which the Pändavas crossed to control the 800,000 mile land mass of Jambüdvépa. None of this makes any sense from the understanding of Earth as a globe in space; but it makes perfect sense with the understanding that Earth is lying on the salt water ocean surrounding the central island of Bhü-mandala’s central island of Jambüdvépa.
Would it not, therefore, make more sense to depict Earth as lying flat on the Bhümandala as indeed Srimad-Bhägavatam indeed describes it; and that our image of a globe in space should be taken as nothing but false propaganda straight from the special effects department of NASA? This would be my first question. ”
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Hare Krsna
Dear Marici Prabhu, Yes you make some excellent points in your comment and relevant questions also.
If indeed the ”Earth” was a ball shape as depicted by NASA. then it would not be ‘unreasonable’ for clear pictures to be taken IN ONE COMPLETE SHOT, rather than some “composite patchwork quilt” of images “stitched or knitted together” to form a ball shape after all, ‘space’ is free from atmosphere, mist, clouds or any such visual impediments etc etc.
You also make the point that The Pandavas (and Maharaja Pariksit) conquered Jambadvipa.
In a smaller context, the Greeks conquered many countries of the world and brought them under the rule of Greece, but now they have become weak, are under the control of Europe and the Rothschilds (UN) World Bank (as are most countries in the world). So because of the age of Kali, Bharatavarsa has also become weak and disconnected with the rest of Jambudvipa! Or has it?
It is understood from the Sastras that unlike at the time of the Pandavas and Maharaja Pariksit when they controlled all of Jambudvipa now IT MAYBE THEM THAT ARE CONTROLLING US. The closest part of Jambudvipa to us is Kinpurusadvipa! It has also been said that “so called” “aliens” are actually Kinpurusas who are identified in many countries as reptilian in appearance (some very short, and others very tall) in Africa they are known as ‘Uman Tin Dane’ and people are very much afraid of them as they are very powerful and posses a very advanced material technology and can enter our world through portals and also disappear very easily and at great speed.
These things a very hard to quantify of course but so are many things in the Srimad Bhagavatam, but there is much is much that seems at least worth further investigation, considering our position in relation to Kinpurusadvipa. Even hundreds of years ago rather than cross over mountains it was much easier to just dig a tunnel through it, I don’t think that would have been any problem for the Pandavas or Maharaja Pariksit. Given that the Kinpurusas have very advanced technological expertise, would this be a problem for them? I doubt it very much!
Excellent questions Marici Prabhu, and yes, I agree that we should not label Mayeshvara’s work a all “wrong”. His criticism of NASA (and the fake “moon landing film”) is correct in my opinion, but his understanding of Tamal Krishna is very misguided. These discussions are most enlivening however and help us more and more to “connect all the dots”. It is as EQUALLY MISGUIDED to put our faith in The Flat Earth people as it is in NASA, so it is not a case of ”EITHER OR” but rather how to ACCEPT Srimad Bhagavatam and by the Lords mercy increase our perception of it through the agency of our spiritual master AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
Thank you Marici Prabhu for your very wise comments!
Daso Smi
Sudarsana
Marici Prabhu ; Here below are the answers to your questions which is created by the writing of Shriman Mayeshvara Das Agenda of FLAT EARTH duly misdirected and misunderstood from the eyes of the Shastras because he minimizes the position of His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada when he says ;
” …..UNFAMILIARIZED of Srila Prabhupada in the Cosmos of the Universe …… which is considered a BLASPHEMY ” ;
SB. Canto Four, Chapter 17, Text 16, 17 AND 21 ;
TEXT 16
sā diśo vidiśo devī
rodasī cāntaraṁ tayoḥ
dhāvantī tatra tatrainaṁ
dadarśānūdyatāyudham
SYNONYMS
sā—the cow-shaped earth; diśaḥ—in the four directions; vidiśaḥ—randomly in other directions; devī—the goddess; rodasī—towards heaven and earth; ca—also; antaram—between; tayoḥ—them; dhāvantī—fleeing; tatra tatra—here and there; enam—the King; dadarśa—she saw; anu—behind; udyata—taken up; āyudham—his weapons.
TRANSLATION
The cow-shaped earth ran here and there in outer space between the heavenly planets and the earth, and wherever she ran, the King chased her with his bow and arrows.
TEXT 17
loke nāvindata trāṇaṁ
vainyān mṛtyor iva prajāḥ
trastā tadā nivavṛte
hṛdayena vidūyatā
SYNONYMS
loke—within the three worlds; na—not; avindata—could obtain; trāṇam—release; vainyāt—from the hand of the son of King Vena; mṛtyoḥ—from death; iva—like; prajāḥ—men; trastā—being very much afraid; tadā—at that time; nivavṛte—turned back; hṛdayena—within her heart; vidūyatā—very much aggrieved.
TRANSLATION
Just as a man cannot escape the cruel hands of death, the cow-shaped earth could not escape the hands of the son of Vena. At length the earth, fearful, her heart aggrieved, turned back in helplessness.
TEXT 21
māṁ vipāṭyājarāṁ nāvaṁ
yatra viśvaṁ pratiṣṭhitam
ātmānaṁ ca prajāś cemāḥ
katham ambhasi dhāsyasi
SYNONYMS
mām—me; vipāṭya—breaking to pieces; ajarām—very strong; nāvam—boat; yatra—where; viśvam—all worldly paraphernalia; pratiṣṭhitam—standing; ātmānam—yourself; ca—and; prajāḥ—your subjects; ca—also; imāḥ—all these; katham—how; ambhasi—in the water; dhāsyasi—you will hold.
TRANSLATION
The cow-shaped earth continued: My dear King, I am just like a strong boat, and all the paraphernalia of the world is standing upon me. If you break me to pieces, how can you protect yourself and your subjects from drowning?
PURPORT
Beneath the entire planetary system is the garbha water. Lord Viṣṇu lies on this garbha water, and from His abdomen a lotus stem grows, and all the planets within the universe are floating in the air, being supported by this lotus stem. If a planet is destroyed, it must fall into the water of garbha. The earth therefore warned King Pṛthu that he could gain nothing by destroying her. Indeed, how would he protect himself and his citizens from drowning in the garbha water? In other words, outer space may be compared to an ocean of air, and each and every planet is floating on it just as a boat or island floats on the ocean. Sometimes planets are called dvīpa, or islands, and sometimes they are called boats. Thus the cosmic manifestation is partially explained in this reference by the cow-shaped earth.
Sudarsana Prabhu writes also ; “Excellent questions Marici Prabhu, and yes, I agree that we should not label Mayeshvara’s work a all “wrong”.”
Why we should not say hMayeshavara’s work is ” WRONG ” ?
Does he NOT write with his Self Interested Interpretation to promote his misdirected FLAT EARTH AGENDA when he utilize the authority of Srila Prabhupada’s writing whatever best suits his purpose ?
I begged him in my emails exchanges which are posted in my comments else where in the Article under ” All The Planets And The universes, They Are Egg Shaped ” and he replied with his INFLATED egos ‘ as saying ;
Final Reply ;
From: Mayesvara Das
Sent: February 28, 2018 8:06 AM
To: amar puri
Subject: Re: New article, Conversation With Vedic Astronomer, by Mayesvara Das http://www.harekrsna.com/…/editor…/01-18/editorials15707.htm
Thank you Amar Prabhu,
My argument has been stated adequately, and I have stated my intention. If you choose to take the wrong meaning that is your business.
Y.S Mayesvara
N. B. : For more detailed answers to a misdirected FLAT EARTH theory, the Readers are advised to please read the Article All The Planets And The Universe , They Are Egg Shaped, here on this web site. http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri Prabhu.
You are misinterpreting what I said by ‘cherry picking’ a sentence to represent something which is different to what I have written in the whole paragraph!
This “Flat Earth” idea is a PSYOP with Tavistock and CIA written all over it! This is how it has been described over the internet and I am inclined to agree. NASA has suffered greatly from it’s faked “moon landings” right from the beginning and people have less and less faith in these “scientific bodies” which are all demonic extensions of the Illuminati. This is why they create programs like “Big Bang Theory” (the name is also a concocted lie, designed to give the viewer a warm and fuzzy feeling about ”science”) this is typical Edward Bernays, Tavistock, mass mind control technique.
When Rockerfellers and Ford “Foundations” (Illuminati Eugenics Kingpins) were funding The Pill, Birth Control, IUD devices and “Family Planning Clinics” in the sixties at the exact same time, they axed the Dick Van Dyke Show. This was a show where Dick would come home yo his wife (Mary Tyler Moore), who would greet him with something like ”Hi honey!, did you have a nice day at the office?” and then proceed to inform him about what she had cooked for tea! You get the picture right? The “Family Planning Clinics” increased the abortion rates for blacks “TEN FOLD” over whites as this was/is their real plan!
So then immediately there is no more Dick Van Dyke Show. Now there is The Mary Tyler Moore Show (right at the beginning of “The Sexual Revolution” so Mary is now ”liberated” and (in the shows beginning) is dancing through the city-scape (as she has a ‘high profile’ office job) on the way to her work, where she is the glue that holds everything together, everybody loves her and she is irreplaceable! ……………..WHAT A BIG CROCK OF BULLSHIT!
CIA agent, (Ex Playboy Bunny) Gloria Steinem is now :on the scene with MS Magazine (funded by the CIA) and the whole world becomes brainwashed into “Womens Liberation” (just another name for infanticide and expoitation!).
As the internet is exposing this Illuminati plot together with “fake moon landings” etc, this really freaks out the Deep State as they are using the web to try to control and brainwash us! so they have to create PSYOPS. In this particular instance, their plan is to ”fabricate” a ridiculous theory that the ”Earth is Flat”, knowing only too well that this can be easily refuted and ”magically”…………. NASA COME TO THE RESCUE WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE “MAINSTREAM MEDIA” TO KICK THE GUTS OUT OF IT! RESTORING OR RE-VITALIZING THERE IMAGE “READY FOR THE NEXT GREAT LEAP INTO SPACE!!!!…………… So yeah! I am sure it goes something like that!
Remember ACCORDING TO THE ILLUMINATI we only have 2 opposing sides (this keeps EVERYONE fighting each other while they evade detection and remain in control). THIS IS CALLED DIVIDE AND CONQUER! Flat or round, Rebublican or Democrat, Creation or Evolution, Right to Life or MY Choice, Religious or Atheist, Gay or Straight
A month ago the whole world was on the verge of WW3 because of North Korea right? WRONG!
Now Kim Jong Un is a big teddy-bear because Trump is a “tough guy” and slapped him into shape! Well if you believe that, then you are a first class fool! America got its arse kicked again in Syria and all the terrorists they funded like ISIS, Al Nusra. White Helmets etc have been eliminated by Putin. So this is how the demons work! Kim Jong Un is a CIA asset and this whole sideshow has been staged so that Netanyahu can make further trouble in the middle east in his quest to create a “Greater Israel”. There are only Iran, Syria, North Korea and Libya that are not under the control of the Rothschilds Bankers. This is their real business.
Marici Prabhu writes ;
” Would it not, therefore, make more sense to depict Earth as lying flat on the Bhümandala as indeed Srimad-Bhägavatam indeed describes it; and that our image of a globe in space should be taken as nothing but false propaganda straight from the special effects department of NASA? This would be my first question. ”
Where is in the Srimad Bhagavatam indeed describes ; ” Earth as lying flat on the Bhumandala ” ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, dear Prabhus, and dear Sudarsana Prabhu and Amar Prabhu
I would not like raise debates. I have read Mayesvara Prabhu’s some writings.
Therefore I wrote in my previous comment:
„But Mayesvara prabhu actually wants to explain „the real” meaning of Srila Prabhupada’s original words. He certainly does this from good intention. But this is very dangerous. Because we have to accept our Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada’s words AS IT IS.”
His writings are because of Vedic Planetarium in Mayapur. And he searches answers.
He certainly does not know Tamala Krsna’s real position in the poison issue. BUT we knows Tamal Krsna’s intentions.
I have no knowledge in vedic astrology. But he very nicely explains the location of Bhu-mandala, Jayvudvipa, Bharata-varsa, our Earth, Himalaya, Meru … with pictures!
And I understood these things and the main problem. I see this is very komplex and deep theme.
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Mayesvara Prabhu writes:
„…In previous papers we have presented the argument that although Srila Prabhupada initiated a plan in 1975 to revive Vedic cosmology via the Mayapur Temple of Vedic Planetarium, a comprehensive conception of Bhu-mandala (the Vedic concept of the Earth) had not been established by the time of Srila Prabhupada’s departure in 1977. In the absence of a comprehensive conception of Bhu-mandala, Srila Prabhupada had simply spoken of the Earth in the conventional sense as a globe in space. Thus, in all of the historical narrations that are mentioned in Srimad Bhagavatam involving places upon the Bhu-mandala such as Varahadeva lifting the Earth, or Prithu Maharaja leveling the Earth, Srila Prabhupada generally translates the Sanskrit names for the Earth such as Bhu-mandala, ksiti-mandala, Bhu-gola, etc., as the ‘Earth globe’ or ‘Earth planet.’
Perhaps to simplify things for the modern reader, Srila Prabhupada did not differentiate between these two very different ideas of the Earth. In his translation of Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada was content to inform us that Bhu-mandala refers to the ‘Earth planet’ or the ‘Earth globe.’ After all, for anyone unfamiliar with the Sanskrit names and descriptions of the various places through-out the universe, one has to initially know merely that Bhu-mandala refers to the Earth, whilst Surya refers to the sun, Chandra to the moon, etc. In translating Bhu-mandala as ‘the Earth planet,’ Srila Prabhupada is simply informing the reader that the name Bhu-mandala corresponds to the Earth (and hence to where we stand in the Vedic cosmos). Thus Srila Prabhupada generally translates the many Sanskrit names for the Earth or even different places on the Bhu-mandala (such as Bharata-varsha) as ‘this planet.’
However, one must be aware that the Vedic concept of the Earth, is radically different from our modern conception of a globe-shaped planet floating in dark space, and the distinction between the two is something that has only gradually emerged. Particularly after 1975 when Srila Prabhupada initiated his amazing plan for presenting the Vedic cosmos at the Mayapur Temple of Vedic Planetarium, questions regarding the nature of the Earth began to emerge. The plan to present the Vedic cosmos would obviously require a greater study of the nature of Bhu-mandala since an explanation the movements of planets creating day and night, seasons, eclipses etc., all required to be explained from the Vedic perspective. …”
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bhu-mandala/varaha-earth-globe-lifting.html
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Hare Krsna
Hare Krsna
Only one more note, please.
The Krsna Consciousness will show the vedic world to visitors in Vedic Planetarium. This is not ISKCON -_Ritvik issue. The Prabus should help eachother by their knowledge. I thought only this.
Hare Krsna
Marici Prabhu says ;
Therefore I wrote in my previous comment:
„But Mayesvara prabhu actually wants to explain „the real” meaning of Srila Prabhupada’s original words. He certainly does this from good intention. But this is very dangerous. Because we have to accept our Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada’s words AS IT IS.”
No doubt, Mayesvara Prabhu actually wants to explain with his Self Interested Interpretation NOT the real ” meaning of Srila Prabhupada’s original words which please NOTE very very very carefully ”
He certainly does NOT do this from good intention of serving Srila Prabhupada BUT his own Self Interested Motivation as pointed out here on this web site. http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
“Certainly this is very dangerous because we have to accept our Spiritual Master, Srila Prabhupada’s words AS IT IS.”
Take this simple thing, for example, he protects and promotes FLAT EARTH theory with his own interpretation by using Srila Prabhupada’s writing in a twisted way when he uses the word Globe, Earth Globe saying that Srila Prabhupada interprets as a conventional understanding of the Globe which means round with a world map on it. That is the convention understanding of the Globe. Whereas Srila Prabhupada uses the word GLOBE to describe as a SPHERE in his writings. That is where and why he promotes FLAT EARTH phenomena in his writing describing the EARTH FLAT. Whereas Srila Prabhupada says differently as pointed out in the link provided.
In addition to the link proved with the Earth description by HDG. Srila Prabhupada says about lifting of the EARTH description by the Lord Varaha in the S.B. 3.13.40 ;
TRANSLATION
O lifter of the earth, the earth with its mountains, which You have lifted with Your tusks, is situated as beautifully as a lotus flower with leaves sustained by an infuriated elephant just coming out of the water.
” As A Lotus Flower with Leaves…..” never ever mentions FLAT EARTH nor GLOBE as Mayesvara das describes in his misinterpreted writings.
Moreover, he never writes the actual word of Srila Prabhupada in his writings. That is how he misleads with the smoke screen when he describes in his writing the word GLOBE.
Ofcourse, this is as bad as ISKCON _ RITVIK issue if not worst because he minimizes the authority of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
How any body can give help when some one egos are inflated ?
N.B. : Prabhus, my intention is not ‘CHERRY PICKING a word or a sentence to convey my message but to speak and share AS IT IS with no any ill intention.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna, dear Amar Prabhu,
Thank you very much.
Yes, you are right. I have to reject Mayesvara Prabhu’s writings absolutely. In spite of that his writings may contain/contains good informations too. (I think Sudarsana Prabhu actually told me the same.)
Yes, I can go wrong easily if i am not careful enough.
Mayesvara Prabhu says:
However, since Srila Prabhupada refers to both Bhu-mandala and Bharata-varsha using the modern terminology of ‘Earth globe’ or ‘planet Earth’, one who is unaware of the specific description of Bhu-mandala as a 4 billion mile circular plane (and particularly one who is unaware of the location of Bharata-varsha upon the surface of the massive Bhumandala plane) may take the wrong impression from Srila Prabhupada’s terminology that Srimad Bhagavatam is presenting the Vedic Earth in a way that is similar to the modern idea of Earth (as a round planet floating in space). The Vedic Earth is actually described as a great circular plane, not a small globe-shaped planet; and Bharata-varsha itself is located on the surface of Bhu-mandala (and thus cannot be a separate planet floating in space as we assume Earth to be)…” http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bhu-mandala/varaha-earth-globe-lifting.html
Mayesvara Prabu’s statement is not „the spiritual master and the disciple relation” . At the same time he obviously does not accept Srila Prabhupada pure devotee and Acarya nor:
.”.one who is unaware of the specific description of Bhu-mandala as a 4 billion mile circular plane (and particularly one who is unaware of the location of Bharata-varsha upon the surface of the massive Bhumandala plane) may take the wrong impression from Srila Prabhupada’s terminology that Srimad Bhagavatam is presenting the Vedic Earth in a way that is similar to the modern idea of Earth (as a round planet floating in space)…”
Hare Krsna