Does the Earth Float in Space?
The most universally accepted scientific belief today is that the earth is a globe, spinning on its axis at a speed of approximately 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, while at the same time it is orbiting the sun at approximately 66,600 miles per hour. All of this is happening as the sun, in turn, is supposed to be hurtling through the Milky Way galaxy at approximately 500,000 miles per hour. The Milky Way galaxy, itself, is alleged to be racing through space at a speed ranging from 300,000 to 1,340,000 miles per hour. What most people are not told is that the purported spinning, orbiting, and speeding through space have never been proven. Astronomers and scientists have not proved that the Earth is moving. In fact, every scientific experiment that has ever been performed to determine the motion of the earth has proven that the earth is stationary. Yet, modern textbooks ignore the scientific proof that contradicts the myth of a spinning and orbiting globe, which is just a theory and concoction.
Religious schools have been hoodwinked into teaching heliocentrism, despite the clear teaching in the Holy Scriptures that the earth is not a sphere and does not move. And from our Earthly perspective, the planets and stars appear the same regardless of whether it’s the Copernican heliocentric view or the Tychonic geocentric view. For millions of years the same stars moving aroud the pole-star which is stationary and not moving. The deception is that the satanic elite have caused people to promote the heliocentric view based on the materialistic concept, to not involve a Creator in the explanation of the intelligent design of the universe.
Studio Photo – made with Photo-Shop / CGI-Computer Generated Image
The Fake Earth –
the Greatest Deception of Mankind
Devotee: Prabhupāda, when they said they went to the moon and they showed films of them landing and walking on the moon, was this all a bluff?
Prabhupāda: Yes, here they… All laboratory work, that’s all.
Devotee: They all made it up?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: “Just like twenty years ago I said, “This is all nonsense, moon-going.” And now they are coming: “Oh, it is hoax.”
So that is the difference. Twenty years before and “This is all childish waste of money.
Why the Great Deception
DIRECT ANSWER: it is the age old battle of the demoniac against the divine; of the materialists against the spiritualists; of the atheists against the religious.
Srila Prabhupada: The demoniac conclude that the world is phantasmagoria. There is no cause, no effect, no controller, no purpose: everything is unreal. They say that this cosmic manifestation arises due to chance material actions and reactions. They do not think that the world was created by God for a certain purpose. They have their own theory: that the world has come about in its own way and that there is no reason to believe that there is a God behind it. For them there is no difference between spirit and matter, and they do not accept the Supreme Spirit. Everything is matter only, and the whole cosmos is supposed to be a mass of ignorance. (BG 16.8 purport)
Srila Prabhupada: The demoniac are engaged in activities that will lead the world to destruction. The Lord states here that they are less intelligent. The materialists, who have no concept of God, think that they are advancing. But, according to Bhagavad-gita, they are unintelligent and devoid of all sense. They try to enjoy this material world to the utmost limit and therefore always engage in inventing something for sense gratification. Such materialistic inventions are considered to be advancement of human civilization, but the result is that people grow more and more violent and more and more cruel, cruel to animals and cruel to other human beings. They have no idea how to behave toward one another. Animal killing is very prominent amongst demoniac people. Such people are considered the enemies of the world because ultimately they will invent or create something which will bring destruction to all. Indirectly, this verse anticipates the invention of nuclear weapons, of which the whole world is today very proud. At any moment war may take place, and these atomic weapons may create havoc. Such things are created solely for the destruction of the world, and this is indicated here. Due to godlessness, such weapons are invented in human society; they are not meant for the peace and prosperity of the world. (BG 16.9 purport)
The Bhagavat-Gita (chapter 16), reveals the truth about the grand-deception:
“Those who are demoniac do not know what is to be done and what is not to be done. Neither cleanliness nor proper behavior nor truth is found in them. They say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and that there is no God in control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust. Following such conclusions, the demoniac, who are lost to themselves and who have no intelligence, engage in unbeneficial, horrible works meant to destroy the world. The demoniac, taking shelter of insatiable lust, pride and false prestige, and being thus illusioned, are always sworn to unclean work, attracted by the impermanent. They believe that to gratify the senses unto the end of life is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus there is no end to their anxiety. Being bound by hundreds and thousands of desires, by lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification.
The demoniac person thinks: ‘So much wealth do I have today, and I will gain more according to my schemes. So much is mine now and it will increase in the future, more and more. He is my enemy, and I have killed him; and my other enemy will also be killed. I am the lord of everything, I am the enjoyer, I am perfect, powerful and happy. I am the richest man, surrounded by aristocratic relatives. There is none so powerful and happy as I am. I shall perform sacrifices, I shall give some charity, and thus I shall rejoice.’ In this way, such persons are deluded by ignorance. Thus perplexed by various anxieties and bound by a network of illusions, one becomes too strongly attached to sense enjoyment and falls down into hell. Self-complacent and always impudent, deluded by wealth and false prestige, they sometimes perform sacrifices in name only without following any rules or regulations. Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demon becomes envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in his own body and in the bodies of others and blasphemes against the real religion. Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, are cast by Me into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life. Attaining repeated birth amongst the species of demoniac life, such persons can never approach Me. Gradually they sink down to the most abominable type of existence.” (Bhagavad-Gita, verses 16.7-23)
Why Faking the Earth?
Prabhupāda: “Without bluffing, how he can take money? Then they will present themselves: “I am great scientist, so give me money, millions of dollars. I’ll go to the moon planet, I’ll go to the Mars,” and taking money and wasting. That is their business. Miscreants. Actually, they want money, but to take the money he has to bluff.”
One of the biggest and most obvious reasons for such a massive lie is for money and world control. NASA makes billions a year off taxpayer dollars for one, and what is all that money going towards if it’s all fake? It takes money to fake a space station in a giant swimming pool and pay a bunch of computer geeks to create CGI’s (Computer Generated Images) of earth, but somebody’s pockets are getting full for sure.
NASA was started by men in the occult. All top level astroNOTS are Freemasons and the Satanic Kabballah is taught at NASA while the name “GOD” has been banned. You can research this yourself. Clearly these men are not promoting science but a pagan religion and a sinister agenda. (The Occult Roots of NASA and the Ongoing Fraud)
The Satanic elite have a Plan to create a one world government, or the New World Order, and to completely destroy religion and the belive in God.
Kali has been working for the last 5,000 years to deceive humanity and the atheists work hard to remove God from this earth. Their ultimate goal is to get the whole world to reject the God of creation and to worship Satan and his image (see Rev. 13-14)
Some of Satan’s greatest deceptions and accomplishments have been to overtake the scientific world and convince the general population that we evolved from monkeys and primordial soup (the Evolution Lie) and that everything comes from a Big Bang (the Big Bang Concoction). These are Satanic lies of atheists. These lies remove God from the universe and destroy the belief in the Lord’s creation. They also destroy the validity of the Bible and other holy scriptures, such as the vedas. Many people have become atheists and God haters because of these pagan Satanic theories, propagated by atheists and materialist whose only goal is to exploit the earth and its resources.
The theories of evolution, the Big Bang Theory, Atheism, the New Age movement, the New World Order, and the occult are all based on the ball earth theory. The spinning ball earth hurtling around a giant sun (Pagan Worship) is the foundation for all these Satanic beliefs. Without the ball earth all of these lies fall apart and have no foundation. THE EARTH IST NOT A SPINNING BALL.
On the flat earth model evolution and the Big Bang don’t work. A flat stationary earth inside a glass dome with a close fixed “universe” of stars and wandering stars (planets) rotating around the dome points to a Designer! The flat earth points to God alone as our creator! It blows all of Satan’s deceptions out of the water. It reveals God as the true creator and points all creation to religious scriptures as the source of all truth, even science.
– Christian Universe – – Hebrew Universe –
– Vedic Universe – – Mayan Universe –
NASA is the biggest black budget hole in existence sucking in over 30 billion dollars taxpayer money for the fake moon landings alone, but it is about much more than just money.
The modern atheistic big bang heliocentric globe-ball-earth chance evolution paradigm controls humanity by removing God or any sort of “intelligent design”, and replacing purposeful divine creation with haphazard random cosmic coincidence.
If the earth is the centre of the universe, then the idea of God, creation, and a purpose for human existence are resplendent but if the earth is just one of billion of planets revolving around billions of stars in billions of galaxies, than the ideas of God, divine creation, and a specific purpose for earth and human existence become highly implausible.
By surreptitiously indoctrinating people into so-called scientific materialism not only do we loose faith in anything beyond the material, but we gain absolute faith in atheism, selfishness, hedonism and consumerism. If there is no God and everyone is just accident, than what reality matters is “my, me, mine”.
The rich, powerful corporations, with slick mason cult logos, sell us idols to worship, slowly taking over the world while we tacitly believe their atheistic pseudo science. Vote for their politicians, buy their products, listen to their music, and watch their movies, sacrificing our souls at the altar of materialism and atheism.
Currently humanity is stuck in a very materialistic civilization which is completely degrading and not at all conducive for the spiritual evolution of the general public. One of the fundamental causes of this materialistic society is the widespread belief in the completely false theory that life comes from matter. If the people can believe life comes from matter simply by random chance then they can avoid all spiritual considerations completely.
In the Bhagavad Gita Krishna completely smashes this idea by asserting that He is the source of everything and that everything emanates from Him. Bhagavad Gita is so clear but because of the tendency of people to be envious, because they do not want to accept anyone is greater them themselves, they reject these very clear statements of Krishna and try and explain them in some other way. This is very dishonest but that is what practically every commentator on the Bhagavada Gita does, except of course for His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. Srila Prabhupada simply explains Bhagavad Gita “As It Is”, he simply presents what Krishna actually says.
Of all that is material and all that is spiritual in this world, know for certain that I am both its origin and dissolution. (Bhagavad-gita 7.6)
Everything that exists is a product of matter and spirit. Spirit is the basic field of creation, and matter is created by spirit. Spirit is not created at a certain stage of material development. Rather, this material world is manifested only on the basis of spiritual energy. This material body is developed because spirit is present within matter; a child grows gradually to boyhood and then to manhood because of that superior energy, spirit soul, being present. Similarly, the entire cosmic manifestation of the gigantic universe is developed because of the presence of the Supersoul, Visnu. Therefore spirit and matter, which combine together to manifest this gigantic universal form, are originally two energies of the Lord, and consequently the Lord is the original cause of everything.
A fragmental part and parcel of the Lord, namely, the living entity, may by manipulation of material energy construct a skyscraper, factory or city, but he cannot create matter out of nothing, and he certainly cannot construct a planet or a universe. The cause of the universe is the Supersoul, Krsna, the supreme creator of all individual souls and the original cause of all causes.
Does the Earth Float in Space?
earth-ball-deception.html
fake-earth-deception.pdf
“The modern atheistic big bang heliocentric globe-ball-earth chance evolution paradigm controls humanity by removing God or any sort of “intelligent design”, and replacing purposeful divine creation with haphazard random cosmic coincidence.”
This is the essence. Anyone, calling himself a Christian, Muslim or a Vaisnava, who believes even in part of this paradigm he is an atheist. He does not believe in God or religious scriptures which are given by God. Practically, today everyone is an atheist. How many are willingly going into modern educational slaughterhouse schools and taking-up this propaganda as the real truth? Almost 99.99% of the world population. That is everyone.
Wake-up sleeping souls!
Note: The earth SIZE is LARGE EGG SHAPED hence the buildings that has been DISTORTED in the above picture etc is not blown off when in COMPARISON to an ant size:
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, if the earth is moving so fast, why isn’t everything blown off?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Bhavānanda: Why are we not blown off the surface of this planet? Now it’s moving so fast. How are we able to remain here and not be blown off?
Prabhupāda: I do not follow.
Bhavānanda: The planet is moving…
Harikeśa: He’s saying, “We’re moving, so therefore the wind should blow everybody off, the speed.”
Hṛdayānanda: Why is everything so peaceful if we’re moving so fast?
Prabhupāda: Which is moving so fast?
Hṛdayānanda: Well, Bhavānanda said…
Bhavānanda: Planet, this planet is moving so fast, but it doesn’t appear to be moving at all.
Prabhupāda: Suppose a small ant is on some big wheel, does it feel anything, movement? A big wheel and a small ant. What he will feel? This is called relativity. Law of relativity. Why you are thinking that relatively you are very big? That is your foolishness. You are nothing, insignificant. Therefore you are surprised when Kṛṣṇa appeared as Varāha-mūrti, to take the whole earth on His nose. Who will say it is mythology? You do not know how great Kṛṣṇa can become. Mahato mahīyān. Aṇu… What is that?
Hṛdayānanda: Aṇor aṇī…
Śāstrījī: Aṇor aṇīyān anusmared yaḥ.
Prabhupāda: Aṇor aṇīyān mahato mahīyāt. So He is greater than the greatest. Yaśodāmāyī thought that “My child are eating earth? So show.” She saw all the planetary system within His mouth. So she thought, “What is this? All right, don’t do this.” (laughs)
Hṛdayānanda: So to accept a spiritual master means that one has to learn everything again.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Hṛdayānanda: That to accept a spiritual master means that we have to learn everything over again. Practically everything we learned was incorrect.
Prabhupāda: It is correct to SOME extent but… Just like you can see to some extent, but that does not mean you can see everything. You have got limited potency. This is called unlimited and limited. We are limited.
https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1976/feb/morning_walk/mayapura/february/04/1976
Note: Srila Prabhupada says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Sunny side up! or “over easy?” Ha! ha!
Sunny side up! I think…..with a big chip (French fry) in the middle! (Mount Meru). Ha! ha! We cannot discount Mount Meru, otherwise it would look like a Chupa-Chup!
When Srila Prabhupada refers to earth, in a specific context, he is talking about planet earth, which is rotating both in its orbit and around its axis with very high speed. Srila Prabhupada says in the material world everything is moving. Nothing is static, or fixed. But the movements, he says, are ordered, or controlled. They are not random, chaotic, as some materialistic scientists falsely claim (big-bang theory is wrong).
Sometimes Srila Prabhupada talks about moon being a planet, or a sun as a planet. Although modern science considers the moon and the sun as not planets, in Srila Prabhupada’s terms they are also called planets. We should not be confused about terminology, but try to understand the meaning.
Now, in every planet there are living entities, even in the sun and the moon. Modern scientists cannot understand how this is possible, but Lord Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita that He went to the sun planet and He met there with the president of the sun planet, Vivasvan.
The point to understand is that every planet, including our earth, is moving. It is not immovable or fixed, as flat earther’s claim. The second point is that every planet has its orbit and it is also rotating with high speed around its axis (including earth). This points to earth as being round or egg-shaped. And the third point is that every planet has its president and the residents, including sun and the moon, and they are all ultimately controlled by the Supreme Controller, Lord Krsna.
Therefore, if the earth is moving, and it is not static as some may claim, it can rightfully be called a planet, not a plane. Planet earth or “wandering (star)”.
For more information please hear Srila Prabhupada’s lecture on Bhagavad-gita 16.8, recorded in Tokyo, on January 28, 1975.
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Gauranga das : The point to understand is that every planet, including our earth, is moving. It is not immovable or fixed, as flat earther’s claim. The second point is that every planet has its orbit and it is also rotating with high speed around its axis (including earth). This points to earth as being round or egg-shaped.
Mahesh: here is the info:
Letter to: Svarupa Damodara
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Auckland
27 April, 1976
76-04-27
Atlanta
My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. The pivot is the pole star, and the whole tree is rotating on this pivot. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
We can see that at night, how the whole planetary system is turning around, the pole star being the pivot. Each planet has its orbit fixed but the sun is moving up and down, north and south. It is not that we shall accept the theory that the sun is fixed up and the others are all going around the sun. That is not correct. Even the 7th star is rotating once around the pole star in each 24 hours. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
I hope that this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/pks
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/auckland/april/27/1976/svarupa_damodara
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This is scientific. Due to the sunshine all the planets, they are rotating in their prescribed orbit and nobody is colliding with one another. Everything is going nicely, sunshine. Due to sunshine, the seasonal changes are taking place, and the varieties of trees, plants are growing. Everything is going on. The moon is also working under sunshine. And due to the moon, there are waves in the sea. There are changes of the ebb tide and low tide. So one energy of the sunshine is doing so much things.
So parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate [Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport]. His energies are working so nicely that svābhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca. Svabhāva, natural. Just like a rose flower is coming into existence, very nicely painted, very nicely colored, very nicely flavored. So it requires brain. How you can say that it has been done automatically? No. There is brain. That is said in the Bhagavad-gītā: mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ sūyate sa-carācaram [Bg. 9.10]. The nature is working under His direction. But His direction is so complete that it appears to us as it is being done automatically. Not automatic. There is brain behind it. Just like nowadays there are so many mechanical inventions. You just push one button and things come, as we see in the airplane. There are simply… The pilot is working simply by pushing some buttons, and such a big, gigantic plane is floating in the sky. We can understand. The television, simply by pushing one button… So if materially it is so much advanced, perfection is possible, you can just imagine, spiritually how much it is perfectly possible.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/classes/sb/1/2/10/delhi/november/16/1973
Thank you Mahesh prabhu, for the info.
Here is another confirmation from Srila Prabhupada that both geocentric and heliocentric models are wrong.
The planet earth is definitely moving, along with other planets. It is not static. And it is round (egg-shape), not a plane (flat earth).
It is not difficult to understand the points given by Srila Prabhupada. They are all conformable by observation and common sense. Academic knowledge is not required to understand those simple points.
Mayapura, February 4, 1976
Prabhupada: Then, in the morning, it rises reddish. So why it does not look reddish always if it is fixed?
Harikesa: Well, the material scientists say it’s because of the atmospheric condition. It refracts the light in such a way that it becomes reddish. That’s what they say. Because it’s thicker atmosphere. You have to look through more atmos…
Prabhupada: Then how it comes so high? After few hours it goes so high.
Harikesa: Well, there is less atmosphere to look through. Why it goes up there?
Prabhupada: So that means move?
Harikesa: No, no. Because we’re moving this way. The earth is rotating.
Prabhupada: You are moving, but why you say sometimes this position and sometimes that position?
Harikesa: Because the earth also moves like this. It’s going around the sun, and then every day it rotates once.
Prabhupada: Hm?
Harikesa: It rotates on an axis like this. So therefore the sun seems to go around, but actually it’s the earth that goes around.
Prabhupada: Now, if you measure when this sun and when it comes meridian distance, so do you think the earth is moving so quickly? It is… According to their modern science, the earth is moving twenty-five thousand miles only throughout… No, within twenty-four hours.
Harikesa: That’s around the sun.
Prabhupada: Huh? Then is it possible…
Jagadisa: Twenty-four-hour day, twenty-five thousand miles circumference.
Prabhupada: So how earth has gone so quickly round that it is seen, the different position of the sun? This means sun is not fixed. Sun is moving. And in the Bhagavata it is said that it is moving at the rate of sixteen thousand miles per second. I think I have calculated that. Sixteen thousand miles.
Hrdayananda: Prabhupada? Does that mean that the sun is going around the earth?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Hrdayananda: Is the sun going around the earth?
Prabhupada: Sun is going around the whole planetary system.
Tamala Krsna: The scientists think the whole planetary system is going around the sun.
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, earth is also moving?
Prabhupada: Hm?
Bhavananda: Earth planet is also moving?
Prabhupada: Along with all other stars. That you can see at night.
Tamala Krsna: They are all moving around the polestar.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Hrdayananda: So that means that the more we learn material education, (we’re) just becoming more and more foolish.
Prabhupada: Yes. Material education means mudha. This is also material education, the movement of the sun. But they are not perfect.
Thank-you Gauranga Prabhu fro this info. To me it is very clear that the earth is as Srila Prabhupada describes:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
I do like to hear others point of view also so to see what they think makes for a good discussion to UNDERSTAND the subject from different angles. Amar Puri Prabhu is concerned with ONE leaf flat earth BUT if you go to that letter as below you will notice it is NOT one leaf but LEAVES. Plural. This does not mean that there are many lotus leaves or many flat earths. THAT is ridiculous. This simply shows HOW the planets are going in their OWN orbits in their OWN locations along with the tree: The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree.
Letter to: Svarupa Damodara
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Auckland
27 April, 1976
76-04-27
Atlanta
My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. The pivot is the pole star, and the whole tree is rotating on this pivot. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
We can see that at night, how the whole planetary system is turning around, the pole star being the pivot. Each planet has its orbit fixed but the sun is moving up and down, north and south. It is not that we shall accept the theory that the sun is fixed up and the others are all going around the sun. That is not correct. Even the 7th star is rotating once around the pole star in each 24 hours. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
I hope that this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/pks
If I may add to your comments, Gauranga Prabhu, the following letter from Srila Prabhupada which reads ;
Letter to: Svarupa Damodara
—
Auckland
27 April, 1976
76-04-27
Atlanta
My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. The pivot is the pole star, and the whole tree is rotating on this pivot. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. The tree is turning and therefore, all the branches and leaves turn with the tree. The planets have their fixed orbits, but still they are turning with the turning of the great tree. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
We can see that at night, how the whole planetary system is turning around, the pole star being the pivot. Each planet has its orbit fixed but the sun is moving up and down, north and south. It is not that we shall accept the theory that the sun is fixed up and the others are all going around the sun. That is not correct. Even the 7th star is rotating once around the pole star in each 24 hours. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
I hope that this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
ACBS/pks
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As per the description from Srila Prabhupada letter it appears that as the Central Trunk of the Tree holds the various branches as well as the leaves, with the same way of knowing we can understand that the Mount Meru is indeed in the Centre extending and expanding with the various Planetary system with the necessary paraphernalia of oceans and mountains in the Ocean of Space of this Universe.
Therefore, the Leaf like Planet Earth in which we live is the perfect example given in the letter. The Mount Meru is rotating by the forces ( Heat and Light ) of the Sun Chariot of the Sun Lord Vivasvan under the direction of the Supreme Personality of the Lord Shri Krishna as we learn from the Vedic literature.
I invite humbly all the Learned Readers to give their respective input in the point of understanding pertaining to this subject matter for advancement of learning further knowledge under discussion.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri : Therefore, the Leaf like Planet Earth ….
Mahesh: Srila Prabhupada does NOT say that the planet earth is “leaf like”. ONLY the EXAMPLE is given HOW the WHOLE structure is in movement ORBIT. ALL the planet are ROTATING in THEIR PARTICULAR FIXED UP ORBITS TOGETHER: Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree.
However —-ALL these planets are: EGG SHAPED:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
Mahesh Prabhu, SB. 5.16.5 reads ; ” ……. Jambūdvīpa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower. ”
The Leaf like Planet Earth is an understanding if we accept Jambudvipa is round like the leaf of a lotus flower .
Thus, the Earth is part of the Jamudvipa like the leaf of a lotus flower, therefore, Earth is the same as a Leaf in the example of the letter of Srila Prabhupada cited in my comment which reads ;
” …… Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree……….. “.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna! Prabhus
Here is something that you will all find of interest in the discussion of Jambudvipa:
https://vasumathir.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-origin-of-jambudweepa-and.html
Mahesh Prabhu,
Your link provided does not refer to the construction details as we find in the letter of Srila Prabhupada to: Svarupa Damodara dated 27 April, 1976 which is the best Model of the Cosmology of the Srimad Bhagavatam.
Generally, the Self Interested Interpretation uses the same Textual of the Srimad Bhagavatam in order to expound different ideas to satisfy ones’ own personal motivated agenda. That creates the confusion and contradiction. That is why none of the explanation made by the different devotees / followers of Srila Prabhupada meets in the agreeance because they do not refer and follow through to that Model Instruction in the Srila Prabhupada’s letter dated 27 April, 1976.
My humble suggestion is that if the Learned Readers can put forward their respective thoughts on the guide lines provided by Srila Prabhupada letter mentioned above and we follow through out the description in the Srila Prabhupada VANI on this topic, I believe that there is a possibility to apply the Instructions on the Cosmology of Srimad Bhagavatam as Srila Prabhupada desires.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Dear Amar Puri das prabhu,
Thank you for your invite to give input, however as it appears Srila Prabhupada himself did not give much in depth personal time to this subject, I feel like a tiny ‘frog in the well’, trying to understand the lengths, breadths & depths of the ocean, what to speak of the Universal structure, with my puny conditioned senses.
Flat, round, egg-shaped, leaf-shaped, square, conical, partly visible or whatever, but still just the Material World anyway.. wow, think I’ll just try to keep improving my chanting and leave this to all the experts.
हरे कृष्ण
Your very fallen servant,
Balaram das
Please accept my humble obeisances Balarama Dasa. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you for your rational comment as always. You discern what is relevant and discard the rest, like the Paramahansa who siphons milk from swamp water. . I pay more attention to you than others that seem to be focused on the more trivial debatable points. To whit: the shape of perceived universes/worlds/cosmic creation. From what I gather from my perspective the Material World could may as well be triangular or pyramidal for that matter- I don’t really care, it makes little difference to my world; as far as differences go, the interpretation of this makes absolutely no differerence as to how we understand the direct orders of His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.
As I see it you are less focussed on nitpicking or pushing a particular point of view ; rather than speculate, you accept His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada’s words. I bow to you.
Balaram Prabhu, your writing is always well taken and appreciated.
Srila Prabhupada has indeed given in depth information with regard to the knowledge pertaining to this particular Universal structure as well as His personal time pertaining to all the subject as a matter of fact to propagate Scientifically understanding and realizing Krsna (God) Consciousnes for the benefit of each and every type of the conditioned Living Beings on this Planet earth to follow through in order to make ones life sublime for going back Home Back to Godhead. Of this, there is no doubt.
Now it is up to the Individuals conditioned Jivas following on the path of Krsna consciousness under the influence of the Three Modes of the Material Nature to learn from Srila Prabhupada VANI, and apply the knowledge for a batter understanding and realizing Srila Prabhupada VANI through discussing with each other like minded Practitioners of KC under the able guidance of Srila Prabhupada VANI.
To discuss the topic on this Universal Structure is my only curiosity while I am alone trying to regulate in practising KC to cultivate in the remaining balance of my life time.
Mahesh Prabhu, thank you as usual for sharing the Sastric information pertaining to this subject.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank you Amar Puri prabhu, however this discussion is certainly only amongst devotees who feel they have some expertise to comment on such an inconceivable (to me anyway) topic. A bit like preaching to the choir (who are also not in agreeance), in that no material ‘scientist’ would go near the Universal structure as described in ‘Vedic cosmology’.
Even Sadaputa prabhu’s (Dr Richard L Thompson) works that were sanctioned by Srila Prabhupada, are hotly debated within the Vaisnava community, so just wondering on the conclusions of ‘quote Vs quote’.
Prabhu, I have nothing against those who wish to contribute to this discussion as per your invitation, however just informing it is well out of my league to attempt to give any purport of real meaning.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yfs, Balaram das.
Balaram Prabhu, I have noticed that there are various devotees / followers of Srila Prabhupada have attempted to work on the information given in the Vedic literature regarding this topic of the Universal structure but remain unsuccessful. Why ? It is because they do not wish to work in the harmony with the information of knowledge given by our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada.
Everyone of them takes a bit of the information from Srila Prabhupada quotes to support ones’ own point of view and avoid quoting Srila Prabhupada which does not meet the personal opinion who writes on this topic. Therefore, they are not in agreeance due to their false ego. That is one of the problem. Please correct me if I am wrong, Prabhu.
However, it does not mean that whatever conceivable information on this topic we find from Srila Prabhupada and other Vedic literature, the interested people with the like minded curiosity seekers can not discuss for further advancement in the learning based on Srila Prabhupada instructions on this topic.
So I find the necessary source of such like minded people here on this web site who are well versed in finding Srila Prabhupada instruction can participate in the discussion for the benefit of learning in the advancement on this particular topic. That is why I humbly invite all of the learned Readers for their constructive respective contribution simply for learning on the subject.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri prabhu, yes I agree with your statements above. However, if you take the time to read my comments, you will see that I am simply stating that I, personally, am unqualified to offer anything of substance to this discussion.
I have nothing against the continuation of this topic and do have a passing interest in reading some of the sastric quotes, although I admit at present, these mean very little to my still materially conditioned senses.
You have made an ‘invitation’ for devotees to give their respective input, so as a lowly contributor to this forum, I am politely replying to your invitation (RSVP) that I have nothing to contribute at this point in time.
With kind regards.
Yfs,
Balaram das.
Your kind presence on this form is a contribution itself, Balaram Prabhu.
Of this, there is no doubt.
Srila Prabhupada Followers / Devotees like yourgoodself indeed carries forward Our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada VANI and distribute FREELY in the service of Srila Prabhupada’s Mission without any personal desire.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
TEXT 2
yasyāmbhasi śayānasya
yoga-nidrāṁ vitanvataḥ
nābhi-hradāmbujād āsīd
brahmā viśva-sṛjāṁ patiḥ
SYNONYMS
yasya—whose; ambhasi—in the water; śayānasya—lying down; yoga-nidrām—sleeping in meditation; vitanvataḥ—ministering; nābhi—navel; hrada—out of the lake; ambujāt—from the lotus; āsīt—was manifested; brahmā—the grandfather of the living beings; viśva—the universe; sṛjām—the engineers; patiḥ—master.
TRANSLATION
A part of the puruṣa lies down within the water of the universe, from the navel lake of His body sprouts a lotus stem, and from the lotus flower atop this stem, Brahmā, the master of all engineers in the universe, becomes manifest.
PURPORT
The first puruṣa is the Kāraṇodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. From His skin holes innumerable universes have sprung up. In each and every universe, the puruṣa enters as the Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. He is lying within the half of the universe which is full with the water of His body. And from the navel of Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu has sprung the stem of the lotus flower, the birthplace of Brahmā, who is the father of all living beings and the master of all the demigod engineers engaged in the perfect design and working of the universal order. WITHIN THE STEM OF THE LOTUS THERE ARE FOURTEEN DIVISIONS OF PLANETARY SYSTEMS, AND THE EARTHLY PLANETS ARE SITUATED IN THE MIDDLE. UPWARDS THERE ARE OTHER, BETTER PLANETARY SYSTEMS, AND THE TOPMOST SYSTEM IS CALLED BRAHMALOKA OR SATYALOKA. DOWNWARDS FROM THE EARTHLY PLANETARY SYSTEM THERE ARE SEVEN LOWER PLANETARY SYSTEMS INHABITED BY THE ASURAS AND SIMILAR OTHER MATERIALISTIC LIVING BEINGS.
From Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu there is expansion of the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, who is the collective Paramātmā of all living beings. He is called Hari, and from Him all incarnations within the universe are expanded.
Therefore, the conclusion is that the puruṣa-avatāra is manifested in three features – first the Kāraṇodakaśāyī who creates aggregate material ingredients in the mahat-tattva, second the Garbhodakaśāyī who enters in each and every universe, and third the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu who is the Paramātmā of every material object, organic or inorganic. One who knows these plenary features of the Personality of Godhead knows Godhead properly, and thus the knower becomes freed from the material conditions of birth, death, old age and disease, as it is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā, In this śloka the subject matter of Mahā-Viṣṇu is summarized. The Mahā-Viṣṇu lies down in some part of the spiritual sky by His own free will. Thus He lies on the ocean of kāraṇa, from where He glances over His material nature, and the mahat-tattva is at once created. Thus electrified by the power of the Lord, the material nature at once creates innumerable universes, just as in due course a tree decorates itself with innumerable grown fruits. The seed of the tree is sown by the cultivator, and the tree or creeper in due course becomes manifested with so many fruits. Nothing can take place without a cause. The Kāraṇa Ocean is therefore called the Causal Ocean. Kāraṇa means “causal.” We should not foolishly accept the atheistic theory of creation. The description of the atheists is given in the Bhagavad-gītā. The atheist does not believe in the creator, but he cannot give a good theory to explain the creation. Material nature has no power to create without the power of the puruṣa, just as a prakṛti, or woman, cannot produce a child without the connection of a puruṣa, or man. The puruṣa impregnates, and the prakṛti delivers. We should not expect milk from the fleshy bags on the neck of a goat, although they look like breastly nipples. Similarly, we should not expect any creative power from the material ingredients; we must believe in the power of the puruṣa, who impregnates prakṛti, or nature. Because the Lord wished to lie down in meditation, the material energy created innumerable universes at once, in each of them the Lord lay down, and thus all the planets and the different paraphernalia were created at once by the will of the Lord. The Lord has unlimited potencies, and thus He can act as He likes by perfect planning, although personally He has nothing to do. No one is greater than or equal to Him. That is the verdict of the Vedas.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/1/3/2
THERE ARE FOURTEEN SPHERES OF PLANETARY SYSTEMS WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE. THE LOWER SYSTEMS ARE CALLED BHŪRLOKA, THE MIDDLE SYSTEMS ARE CALLED BHUVARLOKA, AND THE HIGHER PLANETARY SYSTEMS, UP TO BRAHMALOKA, THE HIGHEST PLANETARY SYSTEM OF THE UNIVERSE, ARE CALLED SVARLOKA. And all of them are situated on the body of the Lord. In other words, no one within this universe is without a relationship with the Lord.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/2/5/38
Yes! All Quite elementary really! The ‘inconceivable!’ Ha! ha!
Sudarsana Das Prabhu, Indeed, the ” inconceivable “.
Whatever we the conditioned Jivas can conceive through the Eyes of the Sastras , Sadhus and the Guru Srila Prabhupada VANI, that knowledge of understanding is possible to apply in the discussion for a better further learning and realizing the subject matter at hand.
That is the purpose of the discussion.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The desire to know everything is the desire to be Krishna! So that is the ULTIMATE ILLUSION. The empirical material scientists, they are thinking like this, that piece by piece gathering of ‘information’ perceived by their tiny conditioned ”pea brains” and which are covered by the four defects. We can only know what Lord Krishna wants us to know, but it is our purity and devotion that brings us closer to His Lotus Feet.
Of course such topics strengthen the mind and make us appreciate the supreme power of His Achintya potency and the many points that the Vaisnavas contribute always add something to increase our transcendental love. Lord Krishna, if He so desires can make the whole material creation into the shape of a bowl of donuts, and in a moment turn it back into the way it was, without any of us realizing it! He is the source of ALL knowledge and power!
When we are sitting in the forest, in the Spiritual Sky with Lord Krishna and the cowherd boys eating rasagulas (or whatever our svarupa) such a question (as the shape of the material world) will cease to be of any importance, as such a ‘concern’ may become the reason we may want to come back here ‘for another look!’ God forbid!
Nice to hear your thoughts!
All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sudarsana Prabhu, your comments which read ” The desire to know everything is the desire to be Krishna! So that is the ULTIMATE ILLUSION. ……….. ” are quite appropriate without a doubt.
However, the intent in my content is not the same which is totally different as described in my comments.
I hope you see my point.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Yes, agreed Amar Puri Prabhu, I was just making a general observation.
To “those who disagree with the Spiritual Master”,to whom Srila Prabhupada said “they are not disciples”,i have a question.How will you translate Ananta Koti from Sanskrit,Egg shape or flat shape?and if the answer is flat,give reference from Shastras.
Good point, Vadiraja Prabhu. The FIRST question is WHO understands Srimad Bhagavatam and other scriptures BETTER then them? Srila Prabhupada is OUR Guru and since he says:
All The Planets And The Universes, They Are Egg Shaped
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48520
HOW are they going to argue WITH Srila Prabhupada?
Ok – here is another one from:
The Stationary Earth:
“So these two movements of the wheel of time, sisumara-chakra, prove that the earth is stationary and everything else is moving around the earth”
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=48697
Here is what Srila Prabhupada says:
Mayapura, February 4, 1976
Bhavananda: Earth planet is also moving?
Prabhupada: ALONG WITH ALL OTHER STARS. That YOU CAN SEE AT NIGHT.
Tamala Krsna: They are all moving around the polestar.
Prabhupada: YES.
Hrdayananda: So that means that the more we learn material education, (we’re) just becoming more and more foolish.
Prabhupada: Yes. Material education means mudha. This is also material education, the movement of the sun. But they are not perfect.
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Auckland
27 April, 1976
76-04-27
Atlanta
My dear Svarupa Damodara Das,
Please accept my blessings. Now our Ph.D’s must collaborate and study the 5th Canto to make a model for building the Vedic Planetarium. My final decision is that the universe is just like a tree, with root upwards. Just as a tree has branches and leaves so the universe is also composed of planets which are fixed up in the tree like the leaves, flowers, fruits, etc. of the tree. THE PIVOT IS THE POLE STAR, AND THE WHOLE TREE IS ROTATING ON THIS PIVOT. Mount Sumeru is the center, trunk, and is like a steep hill, like the alps mountains which also have very high peaks. I have seen in Switzerland one mountain peak which was so high that is penetrated through the clouds. THE TREE IS TURNING AND THEREFORE, ALL THE BRANCHES AND LEAVES TURN WITH THE TREE. THE PLANETS HAVE THEIR FIXED ORBITS, BUT STILL THEY ARE TURNING WITH THE TURNING OF THE GREAT TREE. There are pathways leading from one planet to another made of gold, copper, etc., and these are like the branches. Distances are also described in the 5th Canto just how far one planet is from another.
WE CAN SEE THAT AT NIGHT, HOW THE WHOLE PLANETARY SYSTEM IS TURNING AROUND, THE POLE STAR BEING THE PIVOT. EACH PLANET HAS ITS ORBIT FIXED BUT THE SUN IS MOVING UP AND DOWN, NORTH AND SOUTH. IT IS NOT THAT WE SHALL ACCEPT THE THEORY THAT THE SUN IS FIXED UP AND THE OTHERS ARE ALL GOING AROUND THE SUN. THAT IS NOT CORRECT. EVEN THE 7TH STAR IS ROTATING ONCE AROUND THE POLE STAR IN EACH 24 HOURS. The whole universe is just like a big tree, that is a fact. I do not think that the modern astronomers have any such idea that the whole universe is like a big tree. The planets which are full of living entities are one after another, one above the other. The relative positions of the planets is fixed up but the whole thing is turning. The sun is going north and south, it has its own orbit below the moon. So now you all Ph.D.’s must carefully study the details of the 5th Canto and make a working model of the universe. If we can explain the passing seasons, eclipses, phases of the moon, passing of day and night, etc. then it will be very powerful propaganda.
I am sending this letter to you, and you can make photocopies of it and send to our other Ph.D.’s and begin serious research into the matter in detail. But one thing, I am convinced that the universe is just like a great tree as described therein.
I hope that this meets you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
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Note: our duty is to be DISCIPLE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA:
The MEANING of the word “disciple”
Srila Prabhupada’s Morning Walk, March 8, 1976 in Mayapur:
Prabhupada: “Discipline… Disciple means discipline. The word discipline comes from disciple, or disciple comes from discipline. So unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. This discipline must… That should be uniform. Otherwise, sisya… sisya, the word sisya, it comes from the root, verb, sas-dhatu. sas. sas means ruling. From this word, sasana. Sasana means government. sastra. sashtra means weapon, and sastra, scripture, and sisya… These things have come from the one root sas-dhatu. So sas-dhatu means ruling under discipline. There is another English word, that “Obedience is the first law of discipline,” or something. They say, “Obedience is the first law of discipline”? So I am right? “Obedience is…”? That is the…
Tamala Krsna: Yes, that’s more or less what it is.
Prabhupada: No, what is the word, exact. There is an English word. “Obedience is the first law of discipline.” So unless there is obedience, there cannot be any discipline. And unless there is discipline, there is no question of disciple. DISCIPLE MEANS ONE WHO FOLLOWS DISCIPLINE.”