Photo: Srila Prabhupada honoring his 1972 edition of Bhagavad-gita As It Is
Reply To Purujit And Bliss Society, Spain
Re: Going Back To The Manuscript
BY: VIDURA MAHATMA DAS
JUNE 18, 2018
NOTE: Who is Purujit? – Purujit das (BLISS society, Spain) has edited his own version of the Bhagavad Gita As It Is, using the original manuscripts. There is a controversy going on, on this topic, whether the editing of Srila Prabhupada’s books is bonafide.
Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?
Prabhupāda: The nonsense, they are… They are correcting my trans… Rascal.
Above Image: Purujit’s edited e-book version of the Bhagavad-gita As It Is
Recently a devotee named Purujit das has appeared in a video interview defending his new undertaking to edit some of Srila Prabhupada’s books. The interview, which reads on their website “Purujit Prabhu Smashes PADA´s Book Editing Objections”, is a 45-minute response to PADA, who challenged this maverick editing venture of Purujit’s. In this article, key excerpts of Purujit’s reply to PADA are addressed in connection with the legitimacy behind making further edits to Srila Prabhupada’s books.
“BLISS is happy to announce on their website their editing of Srila Prabhuapda’s books, which so far includes the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, Sri Isopanisad, and Easy Journey To Other Planets. Their website reads:
the e-books of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada edited by Purujit Dasa according to the original manuscripts, transcripts, lectures and articles.”
Here is an example of the changes Purujit has made to the Gita:
“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized master will initiate you by knowledge because he has seen the truth.” (Purujit’s version of Bg verse 4.34)
The 1972 Original Version:
“Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the truth.”
Purujit has also added an awkward sentence to Srila Prabhupada’s purport to that verse:
“Neither by self study of the book of knowledge can help one to progress in spiritual life.” (Purujit)
Throughout this article, key excerpts of Purujit’s words from the video will be indented with the author’s comments interspersed.
Purujit: Unfortunately, devotees in general are not aware that Prabhupada’s books have been edited and this is what Prabhupada wanted. Just like Hayagriva was the first editor and Jayadvaita was also the editor in Prabhupada’s times. Prabhupada gave a raw manuscript or transcriptions or dictation tapes and this raw material was edited so these editors would add their own style, their own form of how to present what Prabhupada is saying. So it was a cooperation between Prabhupada and his editors and they’ve done a lot of changes to the original material. So the real question is which changes are wrong and which changes are OK, are fine. This is the real controversy, not whether Srila Prabhupada’s words are changed or not.
Jayadvaita and now Purujit like to say that they are going back to the “original manuscript” to make changes to Srila Prabhupada’s books. Not only is such a course of action completely unauthorized in itself, but the term “original manuscript” is misleading as it gives the impression that they are going back to the way Srila Prabhupada had “originally” wanted it. The “original manuscript” they use is an early version of the manuscript. The final version of the manuscript that was carefully worked on by Srila Prabhupada and Hayagriva and then presented to MacMillan for printing – said to have been nearly identical to the 1972 version of the Gita we use today – may be substantially different from the “original manuscript” we have available from the BBT. For the sake of discussion, though, we will use the general term “manuscript” in this article. No matter what manuscript we are speaking of, the point stands that no where has Srila Prabhupada requested or authorized his 1972 Gita to be “revised” according to “the manuscript”.
So which changes from the manuscript are wrong and which changes are OK? This controversy can be (and has been) easily resolved: any changes made from any version of a manuscript which resulted in the printed edition of a book personally accepted or approved of by Srila Prabhupada are authorized changes.
Purijit: So the thing is, yes Prabhupada actually himself said that the early editors, they have done changes which he did not approve and this was recorded in the Rascal Editors conversation June 22, 1977. There Prabhupada actually confirms that he was not completely aware of the editing process. He just gave them the empowerment and he had faith that they were going to edit nicely.
Purujit appears to be exaggerating the scope of the Racal Editors conversation. He assumes that Srila Prabhupada was referring to changes made directly from a manuscript. However, the changes being discussed in that conversation pertained to the earlier printed editions of his books. In the Rascal Editors conversation, these printed editions themselves were being edited further, and this is what Srila Prabhupada had an issue with.
Prabhupāda: The nonsense, they are… They are correcting my trans… Rascal. […]
Prabhupāda: Now here is “O sages,” and the word meaning is “of the munis.” Just see.
In this conversation, it was not any changes made from a manuscript that Srila Prabhupada had a problem with. Rather, it was changes made to an already printed version of the Srimad Bhagavatam. Srila Prabhupada had it translated one way, and some rascal editor whimsically changed that translation. Therefore, we cannot use this as evidence that Srila Prabhupada took issue with changes made from a manuscript. That the scope of the Rascal Editors conversation pertained to changes made to already printed versions of his books is further evidenced by the following excerpt from the same conversation.
Yaśodā-nandana: In the Gurukula we were teaching Īśopaniṣad class to the children. So we took original, maybe first edition… [break] …Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They’re changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.
Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?
Again we see that the issue is not with changes made from a manuscript but changes made to an already printed edition of a book, in this case, the first edition of Īśopaniṣad.
Prabhupāda: … Write to Satsvarūpa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The next printing should be again to the original way.
From understanding the actual context of this conversation, we can see that by “the next printing should be again to the original way” Srila Prabhupada is referring to an actual printed edition – not to a manuscript; He considers the earlier printed editions to be the original way. Therefore, when we speak of “original” in this context we refer to the original printing/edition, just as Srila Prabhupada had.
Purujit: Some devotees say that Prabhupada was supervising the editing very minutely, every single word. This is false propaganda. It’s not true. That’s why Prabhupada actually approved editors, because he was just so busy preaching that he could not possibly go over it again…
Whether Srila Prabhupada read every single word or not does not matter. What we are concerned with is the fact that Srila Prabhupada authorized those original printings. It is not our business to question the validity of Srila Prabhupada’s approval of an edition of a book by way of speculating on whether he knew of or read each and every word in it. Srila Prabhupada approved of and blessed the books.
Purujit: The original Bhagavad-gita is the one with the cattle-raising, with the errors. So as soon as you change even a little thing, then you’re entering the realm of non-original or your input and so on.
Yes, the 1972 edition of the Gita has “cattle-raising.” But Srila Prabhupada specifically requests that to be corrected:
Prabhupāda: They are not cattle raising, that was…Cow protection. It has to be corrected. It is go-rakṣya, go. (Room Conversation—July 4, 1975, Chicago)
The issue is over unauthorized changes, not authorized changes. Srila Prabhupada’s order is for the next printing to be again in the original way – obviously save and except any specific changes requested by Srila Prabhupada such as the one above to the Gita.
Purujit: If you compare with the manuscript, the original manuscript, six chapters personally typed by Prabhupada himself, how can we question the authenticity of this document? Then you see that actually it is Hayagriva who has done all these changes, not Jayadvaita. Jayadvaita is bringing it just back to the manuscript.
But where does Srila Prabhupada order for the next printing to be done directly from a manuscript by any editor? Srila Prabhupada orders the next printing to be done in the original way in which it was printed, as has already been shown from the Rascal Editors conversation. And since in the Rascal Editors conversation Srila Prabhupada and his disciples were discussing the editing of all printed editions of his books by numerous “rascal editors”, the instruction by Srila Prabhupada “the next printing should be again to the original way” should be applied on the same scale.
Purujit: Why should we read something that has been changed by Hayagriva? I mean Hayagriva was approved by Prabhupada, he worked with Prabhupada, that’s fine but that doesn’t make him a pure devotee without any mistakes.
That is the nature of a manuscript: it gets changed. Srila Prabhupada deputed editors specifically to make changes to transcripts or manuscripts for the final printing. All this talk of Hayagriva changing things is useless because that was his specific task assigned by Srila Prabhupada. In the case of the Gita, it was the 1972 edition which he approved of, save and except any corrections he requested.
Purujit: I personally have nothing against Jayadvaita’s editing or his understanding or this and that. This is just propaganda. If you have a problem with Jayadvaita, let’s put it aside.
Yes, Purujit is using Jayadvaita’s same arguments to justify changing Srila Prabhupada’s books, and now we’ve dealt with these arguments once again on their own merit.
Purujit: These devotees, they say original way means to the first printing. But it just doesn’t make any sense because that’s the first thing Prabhupada is complaining about: about the first edition. So how can Prabhupada say print it back to the original way, exactly how it was changed in the first place, print the changed version? It doesn’t make any sense. …Original means it originates with Srila Prabhupada. Hayagriva or any editor is not the origin of the writings.
Purujit seems to have completely misunderstood the actual conversation which he is referring to. As demonstrated already in this article, in the Rascal Editors conversation, Srila Prabhupada is referring to an already printed edition, not a manuscript. Srila Prabhupada is not complaining about the first edition, he is complaining about changes made to those first editions/printings. Srila Prabhupada approved of these final works and therefore they are attributed to him as the author. This is how the publishing world works. They are the originally authorized final works of Srila Prabhupada. That is what original means.
Purujit: This is a challenge to all these different people. We challenge: If Prabhupada is in vani, if he is in sound, why can’t he instruct someone like myself to edit his books? What is the difficulty to accept? It means that they don’t have faith in Prabhupada.
Because Srila Prabhupada already gave the order for the next printings to be done in the original way. There’s no need for his books to be edited. We have such faith in Srila Prabhupada that we accept his order as is. If we didn’t have faith, we might disregard that order and attempt to make a new edition/printing.
Prabhupada: So write them immediately that “The rascal editors, they are doing havoc, and they are being maintained by Ramesvara and party.” … Write to Satsvarūpa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The next printing should be again to the original way. (S.P.Conversation, “Rascal Editors,”June 22, 1977, Vrndavana)
Related articles and resources:
Follow-ups by Vidura Mahatma das:
Srila Prabhupada’s Endorsement of the 1972 Edition of the Gita
WHO CAN TRANSLATE?
BLISS (Purujit and Makanchora) say: “Tamal Wrote the July 9th Letter.”
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Purujit’s “Punar Musiko Bhava – A New Book from Srila Prabhupada!”
PADA’s reply to Purujit’s book editing project
Purujit’s reply to PADA
Rascal Editors Conversation
The so-called manuscript
Jayadvaita undoes Prabhupada’s work on Gita Manuscript
Madhudvisa dasa re ISKCON original manuscript scam
Hayagriva spent hours every day with Srila Prabhupada going over every verse
BBT’s response to manuscript scam allegations
FOR THE KIND ATTENTION OF ALL PRABHUPADANUGAS WORLD WIDE !
This guy Purujit dasa, another Self Interested Interpreter so called The self-realized master himself, the founder of the BLISS SOCIETY in Montreal, Canada now seems like having an outlet in Spain as well written in this article is totally an Ambitious Cheater. He is known well amongst all the Prabhupadanugas devotees community here in Montreal who do not support him at all. Another words, he does not associate with any of the Prabhupadanugas.
Mind you, he was one of us in the beginning but only after three years or so ago, he separated himself to start his own outfit here in Montreal. Somehow as it appears that he has succeeded to recruit couple of people and gave them initiation as well who are helping him in his mission. That is why he changed to write the Self Realized master in his ebook under discussion. Now he is a master himself in self realization because as I said that some how he succeeded to initiate couple of people who are following him in helping his mission.
To make long story short, this person appears to be a hidden devotee CHEATERS cheating not only to himself but others as well.
Why he does that because of his perverted mentality ( Debilitated / Afflicted Jupiter) he has developed to satisfy his whimsical ambitious desire for the control. He did show these type of symptoms way back years ago after his initiation. Before his initiation, he was known as Bhakta Pedro like a normal interested person learning the knowledge in cultivating Krsna consciousness. That is a simple introduction of Purujit dasa.
Is he worth exposing ? Yes. Simply to let the people know his real life ambition.
Why I am writing this because I happen to know this Purujit personally and the TRUTH must be spoken AS IT IS.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Purujit has made himself a disciple of nonsense Jayadvaita—–and look stupid. He follows in the footsteps of Jayadvaita following his discipline of changing Srila Prabhupada’s books – so he is a DISCIPLE of Jayadvaita.
WHO is EVER going to accept his edited concoction books?????. ALL are QUOTING Srila Prabhupada’s books. What a WASTE of human life!!! The disease is: wannabe guru.
show us the changes he made
As Amar Puri wrote, i also seen through him in past years. I ask him some questions pertaining to a class he gave to a Politically correct audience,were he speaks of tolerance to the Homosexual lifestyle,but avoided the answer. He has now become a surrogate of Jayadwaita. He is finished. Sad.
The only debilitated personality here is Amar Puri without any sadhana but with too much astrological knowledge, which Prabhupada says is for karmis.
devotees are misled, thinking that what Hayagriva says is the original, not what Prabhupada writes with his very lotus hands. so just to try to open the eyes of those we are interested to see/hear, see what hayagriva did against the hand-written manuscript of the Bhagavad-gita by Srila Prabhupada and also against the Delhi Bhagavatam written personally by Srila Prabhupada. THESE are the originals, not what Hayagriva changed.
Glimpsing into the Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 1972 edition… It starts in the introduction. Srila Prabhuapada in his preaching consistently challenged the moon-landing mission and he didn´t forget to mention it even here. In his dictation of the introduction he states:
“The modern scientists, they are trying for years and years together for reaching the moon planet, and they have no approach as yet. But here in the Bhagavad-gita, here is a suggestion. Suppose a man lives for another fifty years and he… So nobody tries to elevate himself in the spiritual ideas for fifty years.”
(Introduction to Gitopanisad (Earliest Recording of of Srila Prabhupada in the Bhaktivedanta Archives)
In the 1972 version it goes:
“Modern man has struggled very hard to reach the moon, but he has not tried very hard to elevate himself spiritually. If one has fifty years of life ahead of him, he should engage that brief time in cultivating this practice of remembering the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This practice is the devotional process of: …”
(Bg-1972: introduction)
Where is the remark about having no approach to the moon as yet? It is omitted. Why? Someone may argue, that when Prabhupada dictated this in 1966 they didn´t even try to go to the moon yet, but of course, Prabhupada never changed his attitude towards the moon missions. What made the editor compromise this message?
This was one little sample. Let´s move to the 1st chapter:
“Dhrtarastra became very fearful about the influence of the holy place on the outcome of the battle. He knew very well that this would influence Arjuna and the sons of Pandu favorably, because by nature they were all virtuous.”(Bg.1.1 1972, purp.)
“Dhritarastra became very much doubtful about the influence of the place. The influence of the place was however manifested in the person of Arjuna but there was no influence on the other party. Dhritarastra knwe it very well that itwould influence the sons of Pandu because by nature they were all virtuous.” (Srila Prabhupada´s hand-typed manuscript)
Here it says (in the 1972 edition) that the place of pilgrimage would have influence in favour of the Pandavas, so they would win the battle. But in the manuscript Prabhupada says that the place could have influenced the minds of all the fighters. The place of pilgrimage could have influenced even Dhrtarastra´s sons to admit their fault in dealing with the Pandavas and thus they could settle-up the conflict and not fight. That was the actual source of his anxiety. The influence of dharma-ksetra Srila Prabuhpada described in the manuscript is different than as it is presented in the 1972 version:
“Now, both the parties were desiring to fight, and they assembled. Why he is asking question, kim akurvata: “What did they do”? Because he was little doubtful that “These boys, after being assembled in dharma-ksetra kuru-kse…, they might have changed their ideas. They might have settled up.” Actually, the sons of Dhrtarastra might have admitted, “Yes, Pandavas, you are actually the owner. What is the use of unnecessarily fighting?” So he was very much anxious whether they had changed their decision. Therefore he is asking. Otherwise there was no question of asking, kim akurvata. He… Just like if you are given food, if I ask somebody that “Such and such gentleman was served with nice dishes. Then what did he do?” This is foolish question. He would eat. That’s all. (laughter) What is the question of “What did he do?” Similarly, when it is already settled up that they were to fight, there was no such question as kim akurvata, “What did they do?” But he asked this question because he was doubtful whether they had changed their opinion.
(Bhagavad-gita 1.1 — London, July 7, 1973)
“The suspect was that because the parties assembled in the dharma-ksetra, so they might have changed their ideas. Still, in India, if there is two fighting parties, they go to a temple and ask that “You say the right thing.” So in the temple, still, in the villages, they do not dare to speak lies. Yes. The fighting and the misunderstanding becomes settled up. So Dhrtarastra was thinking whether the two parties, they have settled up. He did not like that.
(Bhagavad-gita 2.1 — Ahmedabad, December 6, 1972)
“But another thing is the dharma-ksetra, effect of dharma-ksetra was visible in Arjuna. Dharma-ksetra. He, because he’s devotee of Krsna… Yasyasti bhaktir bhagavaty akincana sarvair gunais tatra samasate surah [SB 5.18.12]. Because he’s devotee of Krsna, therefore he felt: “What is this? Why shall I kill these, my brothers?” Because he was devotee. This sentiment came into the mind of Arjuna, not on the other side, Duryodhana. He never thought. Although they were placed, both of them placed at dharma-ksetra. The effect of dharma-ksetra was manifest in the body of Arjuna, not Duryodhana. This is the… If one is pure, then the effects of dharma becomes manifest very quickly.
(Bhagavad-gita 2.1 — Ahmedabad, December 6, 1972)
So the effect of Kuruksetra, dharma-ksetra, was visible in the person of Arjuna, not in the person of Duryodhana. That is the difference.
(Bhagavad-gita 2.1 — Ahmedabad, December 6, 1972)
Next example:
“He also knwe that those two general had some sort of affection for the Pandavas and that may be now completely given up by them as they had had it done during the gambling performances. (Bg.1.11 Prabhupada´s manuscript)
“Although he knew that the two generals had some sort of affection for the Pandvas, he hoped that all such affection would now be completely given up by them, as was customary during the gambling performances.” (Bg. 1.11, 1972 version)
The manuscript refers to the game where Pandus lost Draupadi and Drona with Bhisma gave up their affection towards the Pandavas. The 1972 version states giving up affection in gambling as a general principle, but actual the point is missed:
“So they defeated, they were defeated in the chess play, and the wife was taken by the other party. (Bhagavad-gita 1.36 — London, July 26, 1973)
Next example:
“A man fallen in the ocean of nescience cannot be saved simply by taking out his outward dress – shirt and the coat.” (Bg.2.1, Prabhupada´s manuscript)
“A man fallen in the ocean of nescience cannot be saved simply by rescuing his outward dress—the gross material body.” (Bg.2.1, 1972)
Here, besides the point that the analogy of shirt and coat given by Srila Prabhupada in the purport was ignored, the 1972 formulation is flawed also philosophically. The outward dress of the soul isn´t just the gross, but also the subtle material body. Rescuing simply the gross body is certainly senseless, but rescuing the subtle body or even both of them is equally useless:
“The soul is covered by two bodies, the external and internal. External means these gross elements—earth, water, air, fire, sky. And internal means the mind, intelligence and ego. They are also material. Just like our body is covered by shirt and coat, similarly, the soul is encaged in two kinds of bodies. When this gross body is finished, the subtle body, mind, intelligence and ego, they are there. (Bhagavad-gita 1.32-35 — London, July 25, 1973)
Just like every one of us, we are different from the shirt and coat. Similarly, we living entities, soul, is different from the gross body and the subtle body. This is the philosophy of Bhagavad-gita. (Bhagavad-gita 2.11 — Edinburgh, July 16, 1972)
Just like you are within this shirt and coat, similarly, I am also within this body, this gross body and the subtle body. (Bhagavad-gita 2.13 — New York, March 11, 1966)
Just like this body is packed up with shirt and coat, so the coat is the gross body, and the shirt is the subtle body. (Bhagavad-gita 2.14 — Germany, June 21, 1974)
Next example:
“As Lord of all He is always on the superior position of becoming the Master of every one and yet the Lord accepts to be a friend a son a lover of the devotee who wants Him in such caliber. (Bg.2.10. Srila Prabhupada´s manuscript)
“As Lord of all, He is always in the superior position as the master of everyone, and yet the Lord accepts one who wishes to be a friend, a son, a lover or a devotee, or who wants Him in such a role.”
(1972 Bg 2.10 purp.)
Everything alright here? Maybe we should have a second take on this. Ok, let´s see:
“As Lord of all, He is always in the superior position as the master of everyone, and yet the Lord accepts one who wishes to be a friend, a son, a lover or a devotee, or who wants Him in such a role.”
Here it says, that a devotee may sometimes want Krsna to become his devotee. Of course, we know from Srila Prabhupada that it indeed is a transcendental pleasure for Krsna to become a devotee, a servant of His pure devotee, but to say that a devotee may aspire to have Krsna as his devotee, his servant, that is certainly wrong. Srila Prabhupada says:
“The more you become faithful, the more you become convinced, “Yes, God is my master. Yes, Krsna is my master. He’s supplying everything.” But He cannot be your servant. Mind that. If you make God your order-supplier — “My dear God, I am in need of something for my sense enjoyment. Please supply” — that He will not agree. Therefore those who go to God for sense enjoyment and become frustrated, they say, “There is no God.” This atheism and declaration that there is no God, it is a question of sense gratification. So God is not meant for satisfying your senses. You are meant for satisfying God’s senses. This is Krsna consciousness. And because the atheist class, they do not want to serve the senses of God, therefore they make imperson. As soon as we make God impersonal, there is no sense that “I have now to supply.” And here to see the picture: God is eating. God is eating. He has become so dependent on His devotee that, if the devotee will give Him something to eat, then He will eat. So that is the position. There is a position like that. By love, God will be… Instead of yourself becoming dependent on God, God will become dependent on you. There is such a stage. God will ask you, “My dear father, will you give Me something to eat?” There is stage like that. It is stage, a platform of love. By love everything is possible.
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 7.7.25-28 — San Francisco, March 13, 1967)
You should not simply make God as your order-supplier, but you should be order-supplier. When I become order-supplier to God, that is my perfection. And so long I keep God as my order-supplier, that is not bhakti. Generally, people keep God as his order-supplier: “O God, give us our daily bread,” “O God, I am in distress, “O God, I am in difficulty, “O God, I am…” God supplies them. God is supplying. Eko bahunam vidadhati kaman. But that is not ultimate goal. The ultimate goal is that you should supply God. God will be dependent on you. That is bhakti.
(Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Madhya-lila 20.137-142 — New York, November 29, 1966)
Prabhupada: So instead of becoming devotee, he wants to become God. And that is the problem. But it is the most confidential part of knowledge. Instead of carrying out the orders of God, he wants to order God. You see? Even in the lower stages of devotion, that mentality continues, that “God is order-supplier. If God carries my order, then I accept God. Otherwise I reject Him.”
(Garden Conversation — June 9, 1976, Los Angeles)”
Yet, a „devotee who wants Krsna as his devotee“ is in the 1972 Bhagavad-gita.
Let´s go on:
“Service in Krsna consciousness is, however, best practiced under the able guidance of a spiritual master who is a bona fide representative of Krsna, who knows the nature of the student and who can guide him to act in Krsna consciousness.”
(1972 Bg 2.41 purp.)
Service in Krsna consciousness is, however, best practiced under the able guidance of a spiritual master… Does this imply, that there is some other way of practicing devotional service in Krsna consciousness? For example serving Krsna outside of the able guidance of a bona fide spiritual master? That may not be so good as practicing under the guidance of a spiritual master, which is the best, but one can manage…
No, we have never heard such a thing from Srila Prabhupada. Quite the opposite. The first and foremost condition to qualify oneself to enter into the realm of bhakti is the acceptance of the shelter of a bona-fide spiritual master and there is no other way.
“In order to learn that science, don’t manufacture, but scientific way, if you want to learn… Tad vijnanartham sa gurum eva…, gurum eva abhigacchet. Guru means spiritual master. Eva, eva means certainly. Not that if somebody thinks, “Oh, I can learn about myself without approaching any spiritual master.” That is wrong. Actually eva, eva means certainly. One must. And this verb gacchet is used where this sense is used, “must.” Gacchet, “must go,” “must approach.” That is the injunction of the Vedas. Similarly, the injunction of Srimad-Bhagavatam is also tasmad gurum prapadyeta jijnasuh sreya uttamam [SB 11.3.21].
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 11.3.21 — New York, April 13, 1969)
And dozens of similar quotes are there. Even, as we know very well, Krsna Himself orders Arjuna in the Gita to approach a spiritual master with submission, relevant inquiry and service. This is the Vedic way, not that it is optional. So this idea is wrong and the “best” word was not typed by Srila Prabhupada in the manuscript. Yet it´s there in the 1972 Gita. The text from the original (that, which comes from Prabhupada directly – the manuscript) has been changed by Hayagriva Prabhu and the change didn´t improve the final text at all. Philosophically it is a deviation. In the manuscript Srila Prahbupada writes:
„Service in Krsna consciousness is however practised under the able guidance of the spiritual master who is the bonafide representative of Krsna.“
This is simple and senseful. No need of making it „better“ by adding the word „best“. These are only a few examples of changes in the „original“ Bhagavad-gita. More extensive elaboration is to be found in a separate article.
Some devotees say, that the hand-typed manuscript us just a “draft”. As if Prabhupada doesn´t know what he´s doing, saying, thinking or writing, he needs to write something first, then go through it again (or have someone else to do it) and clear out possible nonsense which by some chance appeared there (why? Because of imperfect senses? Illusioned mind? The propensity to cheat?)… But whatever Srila Prabhupada writes, even if it is “scribblings” is authorized Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada!
Among Bhaktisiddhanta’s disciples was a householder named Abhaya Caranaravinda dasa. So succinct was this disciple’s understanding of the teachings of Lord Caitanya that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati instructed his editors, “Whatever Abhaya Babu writes, even if it is scribbling, you publish it.”
(Vyasa Puja 1982 Introduction by Acyutananda Swami)
A pure devotee doesn´t need to draft when he comments on the Vedas. He is above all illusion, imperfection of the senses, mistake making or cheating propensity. Srila Prabhupada doesn´t need Hayagriva or anyone else to perfect his work or what to speak of subtracting and omitting portions of his speeches or writings.
“So under the instruction of Narada Muni, Vyasadeva first of all made his life perfect. Yes. How he made his life perfect? Because if you write books without any perfection, that will not be effective. One has to become perfect before he writes some books. Just like nowadays especially in the western countries they write any rascal ideas under the name of philosophy or science, “Perhaps,” “It may be.” That is not the system in the Vedic civilization. Vedic civilization, people, those who are advanced in Vedic knowledge, they’ll write. Vedic knowledge is called sruti, and if you write following the principles of sruti, then it is smrti.
sruti-smrti-puranadi- pancaratra-vidhim vina
aikantiki harer bhaktir utpatayaiva kalpate
[Brs. 1.2.101]
That is the advice, instruction, given by Rupa Gosvami. “Without reference to the sruti, without reference to the smrti, Purana and pancaratriki-vidhi, if you pose yourself as a great devotee of Krsna, that is simply disturbance.”
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.7.6 — Vrndavana, April 18, 1975)
“Suppose you write one book, or anything. If it is just according to the Vedic conclusion, then it is also… It is called smrti. By remembering the Vedic conclusion… You cannot go beyond the Vedic conclusion. Then it is useless writing. Vedic conclusion must be there. The guide must be there. On that conclusion, if you write something, that is right, and if you deviate from that conclusion, then it is wrong. So we want to read authorized, right books. Not by imagination. You can write so many nonsense things by imagination. That is useless. You must remember what is the Vedic conclusion. So sruti-smrti-pancaratra-vidhim..
(Srimad-Bhagavatam 2.3.24 — Los Angeles, June 22, 1972)
“Transcendental literature that strictly follows the Vedic principles and the conclusion of the Puranas and pancaratrika-vidhi can be written only by a pure devotee.
It is not possible for a common man to write books on bhakti, for his writings will not be effective. He may be a very great scholar and expert in presenting literature in flowery language, but this is not at all helpful in understanding transcendental literature. Even if transcendental literature is written in faulty language, it is acceptable if it is written by a devotee, whereas so-called transcendental literature written by a mundane scholar, even if it is a very highly polished literary presentation, cannot be accepted. The secret in a devotee’s writing is that when he writes about the pastimes of the Lord, the Lord helps him; he does not write himself. As stated in the Bhagavad-gita (10.10), dadami buddhi-yogam tam yena mam upayanti te. Since a devotee writes in service to the Lord, the Lord from within gives him so much intelligence that he sits down near the Lord and goes on writing books.
(CC Adi 8.39)
“One has to abide by superior dictation, therefore when one’s mind is fixed on the superior nature, he has no other alternative but to follow the dictation of the Supreme. The mind must have some superior dictation and follow it. The effect of controlling the mind is that one automatically follows the dictation of the Paramatma or Supersoul. This transcendental position is at once achieved by one who is in Krsna consciousness. Thus the devotee of the Lord has no longer any concern for dualities of material existence, namely distress and happiness, cold and heat, etc. This state is practical samadhi, or absorption in the Supreme.“
(Bg.6.7 purp.)
I reject this proposal, that the material typed personally by Srila Prabhupada is, ultimately, a non-authoritative or irrelevant draft. Prabhupada doesn´t need to draft. Writing transcendental literature is not a guess work, a trial/error enterprise. Then what about the early Back to Godhead magazine where he gives translations and purports to the verses of Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, Sri Isopanisad and writes so many essays and articles? And what about the Delhi Bhagavatam? That was written by Srila Prabhupada personally and was not edited by anyone. Is it a draft? No, it is an authority and Srila Prabhupada gets very angry when he hears about the change in the synonyms section (the “Rascal Editors” conversation). Srila Prabhupada brought these three volumes of the 1st Canto that he printed in India to America and was distributing them personally before things started to move on. Later he got it edited, but for the purpose of „force and clarity“ and not because it is a draft which has to be fixed by a conditioned soul serving as editor.
„Regarding Srimad-Bhagavatam, please send me the chapters which you have already revised. I want to see it, how it is being done. I am glad that you are not omitting anything, but just making grammatical correction, and phrasing for force and clarity, and adding Pradyumna’s transliteration, that is very nice.“
(Letter to: Hayagriva — Los Angeles 18 November, 1968)
While having Srimad-Bhagavatam classes from the 1st Canto in our B.L.I.S.S. asram in Vinodol, Slovakia, remembering the “of the sages” issue, I purposefully, from a certain point, started to compare what I heard from the Delhi edition with the 1970 ISKCON PRESS edition which I would read simultaneously. Of course, deeper study and comparison is required and we invite interested devotees to do this service, but these few examples will tell us something about the “originality” of the first printings. I will not comment on each and every instance as in case with the Gita, the revered reader can go through this sample and make his own conclusions. You take out one grain of rice from the pot and understand the state of cooking of the whole batch:
“As such the Perfect Personality is addressed in the Srimad Bhagwatam as Vasudeva or One who lives everywhere in full consciousness and in full capacity of His complete energy.” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“Consequently the perfect personality is addressed in the Srimad-Bhagavatam as Vasudeva, or one who lives everywhere in full consciousness and in full possession of His complete energy.”
(SB Introduction 1970,1972)
“His merciful short sketch life and precepts are also inserted herewith for specific understanding of the Srimad Bhagwatam. This will help the reader perfectly to understand the real merit of Srimad Bhagwatam.” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“Therefore a short sketch of His life and precepts is inserted herein to help the reader understand the real merit of Srimad-Bhagavatam.” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
“Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu exhibited His transcendental activities for full forty eight years and then He disappeared from this mortal world in the year 1455 Shakabda at Puri.”
(SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu exhibited His transcendental activities for forty-eight years and then disappeared in the year 1455 Sakabda at Puri.” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
“In the modern age Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu preached the cult of Srimad Bhagwatam by practical demonstration.” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“In the modern age Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu preached the Srimad-Bhagavatam by practical demonstration.” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
*the word “cult” has been omitted in several other instances as well.
“He wanted it and ordered His followers that the cult of the Srimad Bagwatam shall be preached in every nook and corner of the world by every one who happens to take his birth in India.”
(SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“It was His wish that the Srimad-Bhagavatam be preached in every nook and corner of the world by those who happened to take their birth in India.” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
“LORD SRI CHAITANYA MAHAPRABHU, the Great Apostle of love of God and the Father of introducing congregational chanting of the holy name of the Lord, advented Himself at Sridham Mayapur…” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“Lord Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, the great apostle of love of God and the father of the congregational chanting of the holy name of the Lord, advented Himself at Sridhama Mayapura…”
(SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
*Lord Caitanya didn´t father the chanting of Hare Krsna Maha-mantra, but he introduced it as the process of self-realization for Kali-yuga:
“Therefore Lord Caitanya, five hundred years ago, He appeared in Bengal and He introduced this movement, sankirtana movement — not whimsically, but according to the tenets of Vedic literature, where it is stated that krte yad dhyayato visnum [SB 12.3.52]. In the Golden Age it was possible to realize God by meditation, when people were all cent percent pure. Then tretayam yajato makhaih: “And in next age, God-realization was by offering great sacrifices.” And dvapare paricaryayam: “And in next age, by temple worship or church worship or mosque worship. Now, at this present age,” kalau tad dhari-kirtanat, “in this age, simply by chanting the glories of the holy name of God.” This was introduced by Lord Caitanya.” (Lecture Engagement and Prasada Distribution — Boston, April 26, 1969)
“So it is not difficult. You haven’t got to manufacture a religion. Because you cannot manufacture religion. That is not possible. Dharmam tu saksad bhagavat-pranitam [SB 6.3.19]. Just like the state can give you law; you cannot manufacture law. Similarly, any ordinary man, he cannot manufacture religion. Religion means the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. That is religion. So this religion, sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja [Bg. 18.66], directly spoken by the Supreme Lord. Aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommends this. Caitanya Mahaprabhu also does not give any manufactured religion. This Caitanya cult is not a manufactured religion. It is also following. This is the process of religion. Evam parampara-praptam imam rajarsayo viduh [Bg. 4.2]. We have to get the religious principle by the disciplic succession, not that I become an authority automatically and I manufacture religion. That is not religion.” ( Pandal Lecture — November 14, 1971, Delhi)
“So Caitanya Mahaprabhu pointed out this verse from Brhad-naradiya Purana. The, the verse was already in the Brhad-naradiya Purana.
harer nama harer nama harer nama iva kevalam
kalau nasty eva nasty eva nasty eva gatir anyatha
[Cc. Adi 17.21]
This verse was already there in the Brhad-naradiya Purana, the indication of our activities in the age of Kali. Caitanya Mahaprabhu, He pointed out. Although He is Krsna Himself — He could manufacture so many things — but He did not do so. That is acarya. Acarya will not manufacture any new type of religion, a new type of phrase of Hare Krsna mantra. That is not potent. The… Just like Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare. This is in the sastra. So that is potential. Now if we add and subtract something from these sixteen words, that is my manufacture. That will have not the potency. They do not understand it. They are thinking if they can manufacture some new line, adding with Hare Krsna, then he becomes particularly noted. But he spoils the whole thing. That is the… He does not make any new thing. The new thing he does, he spoils the whole thing. So Caitanya Mahaprabhu never did so, although He’s Krsna Himself. He stuck to the point of sastra. Krsna, He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He also indicates: yah sastra-vidhim utsrjya vartate kama-karatah na siddhim savapnoti [Bg. 16.23]. He indicates that nobody can give up the injunction of the sastra. Brahma-sutra-padais caiva hetumadbhir viniscitaih [Bg. 13.5]. Krsna says. He can give. Whatever He says, that is sastra, that is Veda. But still, He gives reference to the sastra.”
(The Nectar of Devotion — Vrndavana, November 5, 1972)
“Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu has introduced according to sastra, according to the indication of the sastras, just like in the Srimad-Bhagavatam and in other Puranas, and other Vedic scriptures this is recommended. In Kali-santarana Upanisad, in Brahmanda Purana, in Vayu Purana, this chanting of Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare is recommended. Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu simply introduced it as a great propaganda. That is. Otherwise, this is recommended in every age. There are many devotees, they were chanting. But the process of meditation is not possible. Therefore simply on the basis of this process one can attain the highest perfectional stage.” (Bhagavad-gita 4.7 — Montreal, June 13, 1968)
Next example:
“When He was five years old He was initiated for learning and He showed Himself a naughty boy. And When He was a mere baby crawling on the yard, one day it so happened that a snake appeared before the baby and the Lord began to play with it.” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“When He was a mere baby crawling in the yard, one day a snake appeared before Him, and the Lord began to play with it.” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
“He is therefore fully conscious of everything past, present and future…”
(SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“He is therefore conscious of everything past, present and future,…” (SB Introduction 1970, 1972)
“The idea is that nobody can apply his imperfect reason on the authority of the Vedas.”
(SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“The idea is that one cannot set his imperfect reason above the authority of the Vedas.”
(SB Introduction 1970)
“If some body argues that cowdung is the stool of a living creature and therefore the stool of a learned Brahmin will be still more pure, that sort of argument will not be accepted. The cowdung will be accepted and the stool of a highly posted Brahmin will be rejected with equal abhorrence.” (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“If one argues that since cow dung is pure, the stool of a learned brahmana is still more pure, his argument will not be accepted. Cow dung is accepted, and the stool of a highly posted brahmana is rejected.” (SB Introduction 1970)
“Ultimately the Supreme Brahman realisation is the realisation of the Personality of Godhead. Lord Sri Krishna is that Supreme Personality of Godhead according to all evidences of the revealed scriptures. He is the ultimate source of Vishnu Tatwas”. (SB Introduction, Delhi edition)
“Ultimately the Supreme Brahman realization is the realization of the Personality of Godhead according to all evidence of the revealed scriptures. He is the ultimate source of visnu-tattvas.” (1970)
Kupito – being enraged (1.3.20 Delhi edition)
Kupitah – being engaged (1.3.20 – 1970, 1972)*
In the sixteenth order of the incarnation of Godhead (Bhrigupati) the Lord for twenty one times made completely negation of the administrative class of men being angry on them on account of their rebellion against the order of the Brahmins (the intelligent class of men). (1.3.20 Delhi edition)
As Bhrgupati, the sixteenth incarnation of the Godhead, the Lord annihilated the administrativve class (ksatriyas) twenty-one times, being angry with them because of their rebellion against the brahmanas (the intelligent class) (1.3.20 1970, 1972)
* tam — towards Dhruva Maharaja; abhyadhavan — rushed; kupitah — being angry; udayudhah — with upraised weapons; (SB 4.11.4)
anga — my dear Vidura; sepuh — they cursed; kupitah — being angry; vak-vajrah — whose words are as strong as a thunderbolt; (SB 4.13.19, SB 4.13.20, SB 4.13.19-20)
nvadhavat — he chased; tat — then; vainyah — the son of King Vena; kupitah — being very much angry; ati-aruna — very red; iksanah — his eyes; (SB 4.17.15)
indra-satruh — Vrtrasura; kupitah — being angry; bhrsam — very much; (SB 6.11.10)
next:
“The original purpose of the text must be maintained. No interesting meaning shall be screwed out of it and yet it may be presented in an appreciable manner for the understanding of the audience.”
(1.4.1 purp. Delhi edition)
“No obscure meaning should be screwed out of it, yet it should be presented in an interesting manner for the understanding of the audience.” (1.4.1 purp 1970, 1972)
“That should be the standard of recitation of Bhagwatam so that the real purpose can be served and Lord Sri Krishna can be realised without any difficulty.” (1.4.1 purp. Delhi edition)
“That should be the standard of recitation of Bhagavatam, so that the real purpose can be served without difficulty.” (1.4.1 purp. 1970, 1972)
“Unless this situation is created, Bhagwat recitation for ulterior purposes will be useless labour both for the speaker and the audience.” (1.4.1 purp. Delhi edition)
“Unless this situation is created, Bhagavatam recitation for extraneous purposes is useless labor both for the speaker and for the audience.” (1.4.1 purp. 1970, 1972)
*”ulterior”and “extraneous” are not synonymous…
Next:
“Generally the so called Bhagwat recitors are either professional traders in Bhagwat or they are so called leaned impersonalists who cannot enter into the transcendental personal activities of the Supreme Person.” (1.4.2 purp. Delhi edition)
“Generally the so-called Bhagavatam reciters are either professional readers or so-called learned impersonalists who cannot enter into the transcendental personal activities of the Supreme Person.” (1.4.2 purp. 1970, 1972)
“In the beginning Sri Arjuna the great fighter declined to fight for his own sense satisfaction but when he was convinced by the Lord that the fighting was necessary by His great will, Sri Arjuna changed his decision and fought for His cause.” (1.5.32 purp. Delhi edition)
“In the beginning, Sri Arjuna, the great fighter, declined to fight, but when he was convinced by the Lord that the fighting was necessary, Sri Arjuna changed his decision and fought for His cause.”
(SB 1.5.32 purp. 1970, 1972)
“While performing duties in pursuance of the order of Sri Krishna the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the performer certainly repeatedly takes into the mind the qualities, names of Him and constantly remembers Him.” (1.5.36 Delhi edition)
“While performing duties according to the order of Sri Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, one constantly remembers Him, His names and His qualities.” (SB 1.5.36 – 1970,1972)
“In the Bhagwat Geeta the Lord has declared Himself as the Supreme Enjoyer of everything as the Supreme proprietor of every planet and the supreme friend of all beings. Except Lord Sri Krishna no one else can claim to be the proprietor of anything within His creation.”
(1.5.36 purp. Delhi edition)
“In the Bhagavad-gita the Lord has declared Himself to be the supreme enjoyer of everything, the supreme proprietor of every planet and the supreme friend of all beings. Except Lord Sri Krsna no one else can claim to be the proprietor of everything within His creation.” (SB 1.5.36 1970, 1972)
“Anything which is beyond the scope of experience by our imperfect senses can be realised fully simply by the sound representation.” (1.5.38 purp. Delhi edition)
“Anything which is beyond the scope of experience by our imperfect senses can be realized fully by the sound representation.” (SB 1.5.38 purp. 1970,1972)
“Lord reveals His identity gradually to one who has unflicnching devotional mode both upon the spiritual master as well as the Lord. “(1.5.39 purp. Delhi edition)
“The Lord reveals His identity gradually to one who has unflinching faith, both in the spiritual master and in the Lord.” (SB 1.5.39 purp. 1970, 1972)
“Vyasdeva himself was the disciple of Naradaji and therefore it is natural to be anxious to hear from him what did he do after initiation from the spiritual masters.” (1.6.2 purp. Delhi edition)
“Vyasadeva himself was the disciple of Naradaji, and therefore it was natural to be anxious to hear what Narada did after initiation from the spiritual master.” (SB 1.6.2 purp. 1970, 1972)
*Narada Muni was initiated in his previous life by hearing from the Bhaktivedantas and serving them. His spiritual masters were many, before he became Narada Muni to hear from one spiritual master – Brahma.
“The Bhaktivedantas as above mentioned were pure devotee and the boy became infected with their qualities of purity by their association and by eating once the remnants of the foodstuff taken by them.” (SB 1.5.25 Delhi edition)
“One can attain to the highest perfection of life simply by attentive hearing of the transcendental pastimes of the Lord from the right sources, as Sri Narada heard it from the pure devotees Bhaktivedantas in His previous life.” (SB 1.5.26 Delhi edition)
“I desired to see again that transcendental Form of the Lord but inspite of my attempting to concentrate the mind upon the heart with eagerness of reviewing the Form, I could not see any more and thus without being satisfied, I was like one very much agrieved.”
(1.6.19 purp. Delhi edition)
“I desired to see again that transcendental form of the Lord, but despite my attempts to concentrate upon the heart with eagerness to renew the form again, I could not see Him any more, and thus dissatisfied, I was very much aggrieved.” (SB 1.6.19 – 1970, 1972)
“Oh Narada I regret very much that during this span of life you shall no more be able to see Me. Those who are incomplete in service and is still immature in being freed from all material dirts hardly can see Me.” (1.6.21 purp. Delhi edition)
“O Narada [the Lord spoke], I regret that during this lifetime you will not be able to see Me any more. Those who are incomplete in service and who are not completely free from all material taints can hardly see Me.” (SB 1.6.21 – 1970, 1972)
“The remedial measure to cure a patient by medical treatment is useless if it is not sanctioned by the Lord. To cross the river or the ocean by suitable boat is no remedial measure if it is not sanctioned by the Lord. The parents cannot protect their children if it is not sanctioned by the Lord. We should know it certainly that the Lord is the ultimate sanctioning officer and we must therefore dedicate our attempts to the mercy of the Lord for ultimate success or to get rid of the obstacles on the path of success.”
(SB 1.5.32 Delhi edition)
“The remedial measure to cure a patient by medical treatment is useless if it is not sanctioned by the Lord. To cross the river or the ocean by a suitable boat is no remedial measure if it is not sanctioned by the Lord. We should know for certain that the Lord is the ultimate sanctioning officer…”
(SB 1.5.32 1970 ISKCON PRESS edition & 1972 – 1st BBT printing – “original”)
*Where did the whole sentence about parents unable to protect their children if not sanctioned by the Lord go? Like in the case of the Lord´s being five years old and initiated for learning and showing Himself a naughty boy?
Now, what is the original? Is it that which Prabhupada typed himself or which the editors have created (about which Prabhupada complained so vehemently)? In the “Rascal Editors” conversation Srila Prabhupada picked one letter changed – “OH the sages” changed to “OF the sages”… he got angry. “Rascals!” he said. In these purports and slokas the whole sentences are missing… and this is only a small sample. It doesn´t stop here, rest assured…
This CRETIN Makhancora asks, now what is the original in the following example of his writing ?
“The modern scientists, they are trying for years and years together for reaching the moon planet, and they have no approach as yet. But here in the Bhagavad-gita, here is a suggestion. Suppose a man lives for another fifty years and he… So nobody tries to elevate himself in the spiritual ideas for fifty years.”
(Introduction to Gitopanisad (Earliest Recording of of Srila Prabhupada in the Bhaktivedanta Archives)
In the 1972 version it goes:
“Modern man has struggled very hard to reach the moon, but he has not tried very hard to elevate himself spiritually. If one has fifty years of life ahead of him, he should engage that brief time in cultivating this practice of remembering the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This practice is the devotional process of: …”
(Bg-1972: introduction)
Where is the remark about having no approach to the moon as yet? It is omitted. Why? Someone may argue, that when Prabhupada dictated this in 1966 they didn´t even try to go to the moon yet, but of course, Prabhupada never changed his attitude towards the moon missions. What made the editor compromise this message?
” This was one little sample.” Makhancora writes it with his blind senses under the direction of another blind ( perverted personality) Purujit.
My reply is that Makhancora, a Dhoti is a Dhoti . One is made of a cotton and the other is made of a silk.
DHOTI REMAINS DHOTI regardless of its material.
Is it NOT a FACT ?
Do you see the FACT of the meaning with NO change in both the writing ?
Obviously you don’t see it. Why ?
Ask Purujit to answer these questions and write the answer.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
The Soviets claimed to have sent a sputnik to the moon in 1959 (unmanned) and this has been disputed also. The Illuminati and Freemasonry (one and the same) are WORLDWIDE. Putin was trained up by British Intelligence (so was The Ayatollah Khomeini). Of course this was ‘before’ Putin that the Soviet “moon mission” was/was not undertaken. Gandhi and Nehru were both British agents and Ho Chi Minh (North Vietnam) was a an agent of the CIA (they even flew a medical team to him when he was ill!). Former Prime Minister of New Zealand, Helen Clarke used to be a prostitute for the former KGB in St Petersburg! So all is not what it seems (it seems!).
The Illuminati’s business is to create conflict and misinformation. This is why they infiltrate and destroy religiosity, social harmony and truth. All the worlds leaders are members of Ur Lodges (Freemason Super Lodges) and they work to stupify the masses of brainwashed fools who continuously vote for them, or support them. Most people (99%) do not know that Freemasonry is what underpins the ”moon mission hoaxes” that is why they cannot (with their tiny little brains) understand how these missions are hoaxes.
There is a 99% probability that the Titanic didn’t sink, but 99% of people believe that it did, so this is because they do not understand the material dynamic of how the world is run. It is as simple as that!
This is also why most people think that Malaysia Airlines MH370 “disappeared” or that ”CO2 Global Warming” is a reality! or that Oil is a “fossil fuel” all complete nonsense!
so according to you, amar puri, when Hayagriva leaves out the note about people not going to the moon, there is no change in meaning. do i understand correctly?
My reply is that Makhancora, a Dhoti is a Dhoti . One is made of a cotton and the other is made of a silk.
DHOTI REMAINS DHOTI regardless of its material.
Is it NOT a FACT ?
Do you see the FACT of the meaning with NO change in both the writing ?”
Only a fool thinks that in the Rascal Editors conversation Prabhupada and his disciples discuss some other edition than the 1st printing of the Bhagavatam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiAgj9c2mfY&feature=youtu.be
Reply to Makanchora
Dear Makanchora prabhu, thank you for your reply. Unfortunately, you only offer straw-man arguments. I will try to explain so that hopefully you acquire a better understanding on the matter.
MAKANCHORA: Devotees are misled, thinking that what Hayagriva says is the original, not what Prabhupada writes with his very lotus hands. so just to try to open the eyes of those we are interested to see/hear, see what hayagriva did against the hand-written manuscript of the Bhagavad-gita by Srila Prabhupada and also against the Delhi Bhagavatam written personally by Srila Prabhupada. THESE are the originals, not what Hayagriva changed.
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MAKANCHORA: Some devotees say, that the hand-typed manuscript us just a “draft”. As if Prabhupada doesn´t know what he´s doing, saying, thinking or writing, he needs to write something first, then go through it again (or have someone else to do it) and clear out possible nonsense which by some chance appeared there (why? Because of imperfect senses? Illusioned mind? The propensity to cheat?)… But whatever Srila Prabhupada writes, even if it is “scribblings” is authorized Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada!
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MAKANCHORA: A pure devotee doesn´t need to draft when he comments on the Vedas. He is above all illusion, imperfection of the senses, mistake making or cheating propensity. Srila Prabhupada doesn´t need Hayagriva or anyone else to perfect his work or what to speak of subtracting and omitting portions of his speeches or writings.
It is certainly puzzling that Mankanchora prabhu is unable to appreciate the nature of an author, an editor, a manuscript, and a published book. Srila Prabhupada, the author, appointed Hayagriva, the editor, specifically to edit a manuscript, which would then me published into a book, approved of by Srila Prabhupada. It’s really that simple.
With regards to the 1972 editions of both the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam (first two cantos), no matter what Hayagriva changed from the Gita Manuscript or Delhi Bhagavatam leading up to their 1972 printings, at the end of the day Srila Prabhupada approved of both editions. Nor do we find any instruction from Srila Prabhupada to go back and edit those printed editions. There is no need for comparing 90 different excerpts from manuscripts or early editions. So you found differences? Welcome to the publishing world.
As for “original”, what we are concerned with are the originally authorized printings of Srila Prabhupada’s books, not the oldest manuscripts he wrote. Are his manuscripts still sacred? Of course they are, nobody is contesting that. But did Srila Prabhupada want his published books reedited according to earlier manuscripts? Absolutely not. To try to juxtapose the sacredness of his manuscripts with the authority of his published books is not only dishonest, but shows a complete lack of comprehension of the subject.
MAKANCHORA: Now, what is the original? Is it that which Prabhupada typed himself or which the editors have created (about which Prabhupada complained so vehemently)? In the “Rascal Editors” conversation Srila Prabhupada picked one letter changed – “OH the sages” changed to “OF the sages”… he got angry. “Rascals!” he said. In these purports and slokas the whole sentences are missing… and this is only a small sample. It doesn´t stop here, rest assured…
I’ll let Purujit himself answer you from an earlier article of his:
“PURUJIT: When Tamal explains that the editors reedit books which were already printed, Srila Prabhupada wants to check this, stop this, and next printing should be again to the original way means that the printing original way already happened in the past (first printing). If “to the original way” meant that the next printing should be something even better than the first printing, Srila Prabhupada would not have said how to stop the reediting, how to check the reediting.”
Your servant,
Vidura Mahatma das
MAKANCHORA: Some devotees say, that the hand-typed manuscript us just a “draft”. As if Prabhupada doesn´t know what he´s doing, saying, thinking or writing, he needs to write something first, then go through it again (or have someone else to do it) and clear out possible nonsense which by some chance appeared there (why? Because of imperfect senses? Illusioned mind? The propensity to cheat?)… But whatever Srila Prabhupada writes, even if it is “scribblings” is authorized Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada!
Mahesh: HAND-TYPED by WHO????. There are devotees that have sometimes not heard the DICTAPHONE TAPE PROPERLY/read the document and typed something different OR even added a sentence. So it is NOT always that Srila Prabhupada typed the “MANUSCRIPT”. This is WHY the manuscript is sometimes called FIRST DRAFT which is then corrected BEFORE going to the Printers as MANUSCRIPT:
67-11-09. Letter: Rayarama
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated. Oct. 28, 1967. It certainly is very good news that MacMillan Co. may now agree to publish Gita Upanisad in a soft cover edition and is considering the hard cover very seriously. In one other letter Brahmananda writes that there is not yet contract signed. So I do not know what exactly is the position. But under any circumstances, the MSS must be made ready. I do not follow you when you write to say that Hayagriva won’t deliver the MSS. If he does not return it then how are you going to publish it and how are you going to edit it. In two previous letters you write that he has already returned it. IN LETTER OF OCT. 21, YOU WRITE “HAYAGRIVA HAS LEFT THE MANUSCRIPT OF GITA WITH ME AND I AM GOING TO HAVE IT TYPED AND SENT TO YOU, A FEW CHAPTERS AT A TIME.” IN LETTER OF OCT. 25 YOU WRITE “I’VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MANUSCRIPT WHICH HAYAGRIVA RETURNED TO ME”. In this letter you wrote to say that he is trying to obviously punish us by not returning same. The quarrel amongst yourselves, the Godbrothers is not very much palatable. I am now thinking about our society. We were very smoothly going on but this disruption created by Kirtanananda has plagued and disturbed the situation. The best thing is to do our duty nicely with faith in Krishna and everything will be adjusted. You are nicely doing BTG.
The separation of Kirtanananda and Hayagriva is not a very happy incident. I was practically in tears for their attitude of separation on such flimsy grounds. In other words it is my incapability that I could not save these two souls, but this a great evidence that every soul is individual. The nonsense theory of oneness becomes null and void by the evidence presented in this incident. But we should not be angry with these poor souls. Try to convince them by argument and reason but do not become angry with them. Lord Nityananda when he was dealing with Jagai and Madhai maintained the maximum amount of tolerance and patience in spite of the greatest provocation. The two brothers, Jagai and Madhai, committee. violence on Lord Nityananda. Even Lord Caitanya, the author of Siksastak, became agitated. But Lord Nityananda Prabhu in the matter remained calm and quiet and delivered the two rascals to the highest elevation. We should always try to represent Lord Nityananda Prabhu in the matter of preaching work.
Kirtanananda is a crazy man. That is proved. He says that he has become equal to the spiritual master but he is such a fool that he does not understand the principle of disciple even in ordinary worldly affairs. Even if one becomes equal to the spiritual master in education and knowledge, still one has to maintain the disciplinary principle of obeying one chief man in any establishment. If such discipline is not maintained, no establishment can make any progress. Hope you are well.
Your ever well-wisher
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
69-02-17. Letter: Mukunda
Regarding publication of Easy Journey To Other Planets, I can immediately give you a lengthy introduction essay addressed to the sympathetic non-devotee, or for that matter, even for the unsympathetic non-devotee. I shall add two or three essays like “Krishna Consciousness, the Genuine Yoga System,” and “An Introduction to Krishna.” In so many ways I can fill up the required necessary pages. JUST TODAY I HAVE RECEIVED FROM HAYAGRIVA ONE NICELY EDITED COPY OF EASY JOURNEY. IT IS ABOUT 50 TYPE-WRITTEN PAGES, DOUBLE-SPACED. If Mr. Maschler is serious, then let me know, and I will send this manuscript along with essays to fill up the required number of extra pages. Similarly, Purusottama has learned of some big publishers in New York who may be interested in publishing some yoga cookbooks, so if you will immediately send him a description of the cook book you have there, he will contact these publishers to see if they are interested.
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67-05-21
My Dear Hayagriva,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter. I understand that some girls have volunteered to type and therefore you can now get the revised Gitopanisad nicely and CORRECTLY TYPED BEFORE it is handed over to the press. I am advising Rayarama to send you the sixth and seventh chapter for editing and I shall take with me the balance for re-editing and Typing. I am reaching San Francisco by the Second week of June 1967. Hope you are well.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/new_york/may/21/1967/hayagriva
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Note: for detailed explanation of FIRST DRAFT where corrections are made BEFORE it goes to the Printers as a TYPED MANUSCRIPT :
http://bookchanges.com/bhagavad-gita-as-it-is-manuscript/
1st 6 chapters were typed by Prabhupada, were they not?
Makhancora dasa says:
” The only debilitated personality here is Amar Puri without any sadhana but with too much astrological knowledge, which Prabhupada says is for karmic………………. “.
Ofcourse, Makhancora you do not know me at ALL but your initiating so called guru Purujit does know me very well as I know him equally way back long ago. Makhancora, you were not even around when I knew Bhakta Pedro. So that is not your writing. It comes from Purujit who is afraid to come forward straight away to face his perverted whimsical mentality because I/ we know him quite well who he is, where he comes from what he did and so on………
Above is simple acknowledgement of Purujit’s words written under your name ( Makhancora dasa, perhaps one of Purujit’s initiate – follower as it appears ) which proves that how perverted mentality people disguising as in the dress of Vaishnava followers of the world reknown authority on the Science of Krsna ( GOD ) Consciousness His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada having such personal (ICCHA ) desire of acceptance and ( DAIVSHA ) desire of rejection simultaneously to follow Srila Prabhupada’s VANI misleads and cheats innocent massive people in order to have personal individual desire of name, fame and status being fulfilled as a SUCCESSOR of Srila Prabhupada’s well known writings on the Vedic literature.
As I wrote in my comments that we the Prabhupadanuga of Montreal do not associate with this perverted personality Purujit and let alone his chamchas who have no any creditability but to mislead and cheat people all in the name of our Jagat Guru Srila Prabhupada’s authority.
I /We am/ are not envious with any one as long as s/he conditioned jivas do their own things to satisfy their whimsical material desire but when some one uses the Authoritative well known Srila Prabhupada for personal benefits by cheating and misleading others in disguising as a followers ( Successor ) of Srila Prabhupada, that CHEATERS ( s/he ) must be exposed.
Dear Readers, make no mistake, NO one has any authority to correct or revise the Accepted and Published work in any form of the world wide well known personality His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada.
Should any one wishes to write such literature, they are free to do so without touching the writing in any shape or form of HDG. Srila Prabhupada VANI. In other words, they should write from the scratch.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
i have dealt with you sufficiently before [snipped by webmaster]
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46351
Makhancora, I know you are a Cheater because you are being trained by a Cheater Purujit who has become totally PERVERTED personality as pointed out in my various comments which you need to read my reply with rapt attention on this web site at this title link ;
Punar Musiko Bhava – A New Book from Srila Prabhupada!
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=46351#comment-51736
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Makhancora dasa ( initiated disciple of Purujit dasa ) writes ;
” devotees are misled, thinking that what Hayagriva says is the original, not what Prabhupada writes with his very lotus hands. so just to try to open the eyes of those we are interested to see/hear, see what hayagriva did against the hand-written manuscript of the Bhagavad-gita by Srila Prabhupada and also against the Delhi Bhagavatam written personally by Srila Prabhupada. THESE are the originals, not what Hayagriva changed.”
Whereas Purujit dasa says ;
“PURUJIT: When Tamal explains that the editors reedit books which were already printed, Srila Prabhupada wants to check this, stop this, and next printing should be again to the original way means that the printing original way already happened in the past (first printing). If “to the original way” meant that the next printing should be something even better than the first printing, Srila Prabhupada would not have said how to stop the reediting, how to check the reediting.”
So, who is misleading who by protecting and promoting hypocritically duly PERVERTED writing with the TAINTED consciousness ?
Is it NOT Purujit with the Perverted mentality as brought out in my comments who advocates in his message by Video and/or through his follower Makhancora dasa who writes on this web site ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
im not Putujit´s disciple, you fool..
Let’s see what Purujit is saying ;
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
Makhancora says ;im not Putujit´s disciple, you fool.
So, it means Makhancora is denying his initiation by Purujit.
Is my inference CORRECT ?
Were you NOT initiated by Purujit ?
It is better to IGNORE the ACTS of FOOLISH PEOPLE, Dear Readers.
i am initiated by His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and Purujit dasa conducted the initiation ceremony as the ritvik of B.L.I.S.S.
you say its better to ignore, but your whole life now turns around blaspheming us. so make up your senile mind and stop being a hypocrite
Makhancora, I have made up my mind to tell you frankly that please do not write any more your USELESS and MEANINGLESS comments which naturally creates BLASPHEMY to you and the founder Purujit of your B.L.I.S.S. who conducted your initiation ceremony as the ritvik of B.L.I.S.S. NOT on behalf of HDG. Srila Prabhupada.
So, please do not tell a LIE after LIE which creates blasphemy not only to you because you are telling a LIE but to your Ritvik Initiator of B.L.I.S.S. also who has become an expert CHEATER cheating people like you saying and quoting on behalf of HDG. Srila Prabhupada mission who has nothing to do with the B.L.I.S.S. society in which you are protecting and promoting it.
Once again, kindly STOP this CHEATING propaganda here on this site because this site is only meant to PROTECT and PROMOTE HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s VANI.
Therefore, I/We have got nothing to do with B.L.I.S.S. agenda.
I hope you do take the heed and do elsewhere as you please.
Hope it meets you well.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
the problem with the ones that opposses the purujit edition of the books is that they them selves dont read the books any more, they are persons who have no program,no regulative principles, no 16 rounds of Mahamantra, no mangala arati, no sundararati, no preaching program, no reading the books,no reading the letter of Srila Prabhupada, no harinama sankirtana, no Prasadam distribution, no diety worshiping, NO NOTHING,, they dear to speak to a devotee who does all this service to Srila Prabhupada,, as Srila Prabhupada will only accept the service of a dedicated devotee meanwile all the hippies rascals who are at home behind a computer feeling theyr bellys working for theyr own self gratifications ,with out any practical service will never understand the service of a devotee to hes spiritual master cause they are full of envy… this is the reality of today, mahesh, vidura, dadiraja etc do not follow Prabhupadas sadhana,, so what they are complaning? BY NOT FOLLOWING THEY ARE CHANGING PRABHUPADAS INSTRUCTIONS, so what to speak of understanding seva?
Hello miguel, first of all bring your facts in the writing straight forwardly. We oppose Purujit because he did not write any book from the scratch. Adding and deleting from the already Accepted and Published Books of Srila Prabhupada do not make any body the Author or the Editor. That is a Cheating.
What kind of a service is this to Srila Prabhupada ?
Is Purujit dedicated for the service to Srila Prabhupada ?
OR
Is he NOT dedicated to serve his personal motive to satisfy his whimsical desire in doing what he is doing ?
So do not dare to blame IGNORANTLY to any body who oppose this type of abominable CHEATING, MISLEADING activities all in the dress disguising as devotees such as this guy Purujit serving Srila Prabhupada mission.
Hope it helps you understand.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna Amar Puri prabhu,
Yes this is absolute deceit and cheating, and ultimately not worth wasting time replying to these cretins!
Srila Prabhupada gave the example of ‘smoking ganga’ and now his so-called disciples produce their own mundane books on the strength of Srila Prabhupada transcendental literatures. When these characters have their programs, their mundane books are prominent on display and Prabhupada’s books rarely seen.
Srila Prabhupada: Hyderabad, 1975
“….You cannot… Suppose you have got your philosophy, but you cannot take my book and preach your philosophy.
If you have got philosophy, you write your philosophy.
Why do you take advantage of my book and misinterpret?
This is cheating.
Because my book is very popular, you take advantage of my book and preach your own nonsense philosophy.
This is going on.
If you want to smoke ganja, you smoke in your own hand.
Why you capture my hand and smoke? What is this?
So the ganja-smelling will be in my hand, not in your hand.
This is going on.
Why do they take advantage of Bhagavad-gita and preach their nonsense philosophy?
That is our protest….”
Yfs, Balaram das.
Yes Balaram Prabhu, these type of CRETINS are certainly NOT worth at all. The same time these CRETINS are very dangerous people because they are in the dress of Vaishnavas of all kinds who are out there to fulfil their personal agenda by hook or crook. That is why it becomes very important for those who have identified such CRETINS, they must be exposed so that the innocent massive people may not be misled and got cheated all in the name of cultivating Krsna Consciousness.
No doubt, Purujit was used to be one of us opposing and protesting in exposing the present Fiskcon leaders and gurus of all kinds and others Guadiya Maths gurus including changing of Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS, but, despite of our warning he separated from our group of people who protect and promote Srila Prabhupada’s VANI and went his way to fulfil his present personal agenda.
Why you may ask these type of people becomes CRETINS ?
It is because these are the signs and symptoms of the persons develop in a due course of time who suffer with the DEBILITED / AFFLICTED JUPITER in the natal chart of their horoscopes.
That is the reason people like yourgoodself and others who protest and expose these type of personalities (CRETINS ) take certain responsibility as per their ability to preserve, pervade and propagate Srila Prabhupada’s mission as He intends from His sincere and serious followers.
OM TAT SAT.
HARE KRISHNA. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Thank-you Balarama Prabhu, this is a very appropriate quote from Srila Prabhupada about these SELF PROMOTING hypocrites. Srila Prabhupada book changers are all MAD men who want to RE-WRITE Srila Prabhupada’s original books instead of carrying out this simple instruction:
Our editing is to correct grammatical and spelling errors only, without interpolation of style or philosophy.” (Letter to Rupanuga, 2/17/70)
Hare Krsna Mahesh Prabhu… and this offensive cretin (stupid person) has the audacity to claim that..
“”we dont read the books any more, have no program, no regulative principles, no 16 rounds of Mahamantra, no mangala arati, no sundararati, no preaching program, no reading the books, no reading the letter of Srila Prabhupada, no harinama sankirtana, no Prasadam distribution, no diety worshiping, NO NOTHING””.
So while we are reading, studying and distributing Srila Prabhupada’s ORIGINAL published transcendental literatures, dictated by Krsna, that he himself read and lectured from, we will leave these offensive cretins to wallow in the place of pilgrimage for crows… “tad vayasam tirtham”.
As Srila Prabhupada is a saktyavesa-avatar, all is on the absolute spiritual platform including his picture.. “There is no difference between me and my picture..” letter written by Srila Prabhupada dated September 4, 1972
Enviousness of Krsna brings us here and enviousness of the Maha-Bhagavat devotee (I wanna be guroo), will throw one further into the darkest regions (along with their cheated followers).
Yfs, Balaram das.
Just see this nonsense Amar Puri… Prabhupada says astrology is for karmis and he is here prooving something with the horoscopes… means he is a karmi, LOL.
Makhancora, I do not need to use his birth chart to find out and know all about perverted Purujit’s personality which speaks LOUDER with his Perverted mentality as exhibited and manifested in his present life activities indicating that he is suffering with the DOSHA of his CHANDALA relationship with the the well reknowned Bona Fide GURU His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada as brought out in my various comments.
Hope you begin to understand it by now in order to realize the grave danger ahead of Purujit and his associates including yourself acting as a certain type of undesirable CRETINS.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
miguel alexis ramos:.”..the problem with the ones that opposses the purujit edition of the books is that they them selves dont read the books any more..”
Mahesh: So if we do not read Srila Prabhupada’s books anymore then PLEASE explain to us – HOW – is it that we are -QUOTING- FROM Srila Prabhupada’s books???????
WHY is it that you folks are trying to COVER-UP other typists INVOLVED:
My question is WHO hand-typed??????. The typists were: Srila Prabhupada, Rayarama, Hayagriva, “SOME GIRLS girls have volunteered to type”67-05-21 SPL Hayagriva.
It is being DISHONEST to say Srila Prabhupada hand-typed EVERYTHING:
Mahesh Raja says:
24. June 2018 at 9:02 pm
MAKANCHORA: Some devotees say, that the hand-typed manuscript us just a “draft”. As if Prabhupada doesn´t know what he´s doing, saying, thinking or writing, he needs to write something first, then go through it again (or have someone else to do it) and clear out possible nonsense which by some chance appeared there (why? Because of imperfect senses? Illusioned mind? The propensity to cheat?)… But whatever Srila Prabhupada writes, even if it is “scribblings” is authorized Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada!
Mahesh: HAND-TYPED by WHO????. There are devotees that have sometimes not heard the DICTAPHONE TAPE PROPERLY/read the document and typed something different OR even added a sentence. So it is NOT always that Srila Prabhupada typed the “MANUSCRIPT”. This is WHY the manuscript is sometimes called FIRST DRAFT which is then corrected BEFORE going to the Printers as MANUSCRIPT:
67-11-09. Letter: Rayarama
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated. Oct. 28, 1967. It certainly is very good news that MacMillan Co. may now agree to publish Gita Upanisad in a soft cover edition and is considering the hard cover very seriously. In one other letter Brahmananda writes that there is not yet contract signed. So I do not know what exactly is the position. But under any circumstances, the MSS must be made ready. I do not follow you when you write to say that Hayagriva won’t deliver the MSS. If he does not return it then how are you going to publish it and how are you going to edit it. In two previous letters you write that he has already returned it. IN LETTER OF OCT. 21, YOU WRITE “HAYAGRIVA HAS LEFT THE MANUSCRIPT OF GITA WITH ME AND I AM GOING TO HAVE IT TYPED AND SENT TO YOU, A FEW CHAPTERS AT A TIME.” IN LETTER OF OCT. 25 YOU WRITE “I’VE BEEN WORKING ON THE MANUSCRIPT WHICH HAYAGRIVA RETURNED TO ME”. In this letter you wrote to say that he is trying to obviously punish us by not returning same. The quarrel amongst yourselves, the Godbrothers is not very much palatable. I am now thinking about our society. We were very smoothly going on but this disruption created by Kirtanananda has plagued and disturbed the situation. The best thing is to do our duty nicely with faith in Krishna and everything will be adjusted. You are nicely doing BTG.
The separation of Kirtanananda and Hayagriva is not a very happy incident. I was practically in tears for their attitude of separation on such flimsy grounds. In other words it is my incapability that I could not save these two souls, but this a great evidence that every soul is individual. The nonsense theory of oneness becomes null and void by the evidence presented in this incident. But we should not be angry with these poor souls. Try to convince them by argument and reason but do not become angry with them. Lord Nityananda when he was dealing with Jagai and Madhai maintained the maximum amount of tolerance and patience in spite of the greatest provocation. The two brothers, Jagai and Madhai, committee. violence on Lord Nityananda. Even Lord Caitanya, the author of Siksastak, became agitated. But Lord Nityananda Prabhu in the matter remained calm and quiet and delivered the two rascals to the highest elevation. We should always try to represent Lord Nityananda Prabhu in the matter of preaching work.
Kirtanananda is a crazy man. That is proved. He says that he has become equal to the spiritual master but he is such a fool that he does not understand the principle of disciple even in ordinary worldly affairs. Even if one becomes equal to the spiritual master in education and knowledge, still one has to maintain the disciplinary principle of obeying one chief man in any establishment. If such discipline is not maintained, no establishment can make any progress. Hope you are well.
Your ever well-wisher
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
69-02-17. Letter: Mukunda
Regarding publication of Easy Journey To Other Planets, I can immediately give you a lengthy introduction essay addressed to the sympathetic non-devotee, or for that matter, even for the unsympathetic non-devotee. I shall add two or three essays like “Krishna Consciousness, the Genuine Yoga System,” and “An Introduction to Krishna.” In so many ways I can fill up the required necessary pages. JUST TODAY I HAVE RECEIVED FROM HAYAGRIVA ONE NICELY EDITED COPY OF EASY JOURNEY. IT IS ABOUT 50 TYPE-WRITTEN PAGES, DOUBLE-SPACED. If Mr. Maschler is serious, then let me know, and I will send this manuscript along with essays to fill up the required number of extra pages. Similarly, Purusottama has learned of some big publishers in New York who may be interested in publishing some yoga cookbooks, so if you will immediately send him a description of the cook book you have there, he will contact these publishers to see if they are interested.
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67-05-21
My Dear Hayagriva,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter. I understand that SOME GIRLS girls have volunteered to type and therefore you can now get the revised Gitopanisad nicely and CORRECTLY TYPED BEFORE it is handed over to the press. I am advising Rayarama to send you the sixth and seventh chapter for editing and I shall take with me the balance for re-editing and Typing. I am reaching San Francisco by the Second week of June 1967. Hope you are well.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/new_york/may/21/1967/hayagriva
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Note: for detailed explanation of FIRST DRAFT where corrections are made BEFORE it goes to the Printers as a TYPED MANUSCRIPT :
http://bookchanges.com/bhagavad-gita-as-it-is-manuscript/
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Note: Where is Purujit’s FINAL APPROVAL from Srila Prabhupada?
It REQUIRED Srila Prabhupada’s FINAL APPROVAL:
I will have to see personally what are the mistakes in the synonyms and also how you intend to correct them. I was not satisfied with the corrections that were made before. I saw some changes which I did no approve. Nitai may correct whatever mistakes are there, but the corrected material must be sent to me for FINAL APPROVAL. So reprinting the volumes will have to wait until the mistakes are corrected and APPROVED BY ME. In the meantime you can supply the standing orders whatever new volumes are published.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/nellore/january/05/1976/radhavallabha
where did i say that Prabhupada typed EVERYTHING? learn to read, you fool.
Dear Learned Readers,
I came across by chance at the following LINK which got my attention to reply for it which I never knew it existed.
http://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-role-of-ritviks-in-1970s-iskcon.html
Sunday, January 22, 2017
The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE…
krishna1008: The Role of Ritviks in 1970s ISKCON
In his Blog, Makhancora dasa initiated by Purujit dasa writes asking questions on behalf of Purujit as it appears ;
” My question about how many rtviks did Srila Prabhupada use to perform the initiations and other ceremonies in his movement remained unanswered by Amar Puri. Did Srila Prabhupada use 4 rtviks — the ¨hotā, adhvaryu, brahma and udgātā.¨?
Srila Prabhupada explains in the Srimad Bhagavatam 7.3.30 the quality and the qualification of the authorized Rtviks who used to serve and perform Yajana ( Fire Sacrifice ) on behalf of the Rishis, qualified personalities in the science of God – Krsna Realization.
Based on the Srimad Bhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada authorized also certain Senior Individuals, his disciples who served SELFLESSLY Srila Prabhupada as a Rivik Brahmna. Brahmna is one of the category who can perform such Ritvik activities IF s/he is authorized by the Acharya. This is very very very simple to understand it. Isn’t it Makhanacora dasa ?
Is your Initiator Purujit authorized by Srila Prabhupada ?
If so, where is such ORDER that makes him an authorized Ritvik Brahman ( when Purujit never had any authorized formal Brahmana Initiation himself ) as per one of the 4 categories of the Authorized Ritvik as described in the S.B. 7.3.30 which Makhanacora is refuting and leading to a misrepresentation creating a smoke screen of cheating by quoting Srila Prabhupada and the Shastras ?
Furthermore, I am totally surprised to read the following from PADA’s writing when he says in his Blog mentioned above ;
[PADA: Right, there are a lot of people who claim to be Prabhupadanugas, but they are actually not happy to see the success of the sincere Prabhupadanugas. So these opponents are sort of acting as agents of Kali to disrupt the sincere preaching — while posing as “the most sincere” Srila Prabhupada devotees. Same thing happened to Srila Prabhupada, he said many of his “senior” God brothers were envious, and they were constantly attacking his work, and this envious process was giving him “depression repression, oppression.”
Para continues ; “ Anyway, Purujit prabhu is doing the job, Madhu Pandit is doing the job, Akshaya Patra Jaipur, Sunnyvale Yatra, local Bay Area Prabhupadanugas, Krishnapath.org, Krishna.org, Jitarati’s book printing folks — and many other sincere people — are all doing the job, and they should get the credit. And they will get the credit from Krishna for doing His work. And they will get extra credit from Krishna for doing His work in the face of so many envious opponents.”
And he goes on and on ………. but unfortunately it looks like Pada fell short to find out the FACTS about Purujit’s misrepresentation through his Initiate Makhancora dasa under Purujit’s direction, of course, who creates in his writing all types of smoke screen to bewilder the Readers including PADA.
I sincerely do hope that Pada do read this comments and write it on his blog for the kind perusal of his Readers including Makhancora dasa.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
PURUJIT is after DISCIPLES. Always has been. But that hasn’t been enough adoration and distinction for him, so now he is trying to make his own edition of the Gita for the SAME MOTIVES.
Just see what Purujit said to me yesterday on Facebook:
Purujit Das: Vidura Mahatma Das: Sorry, Prabhu if I cut you off.I am just a bit busy. These FB debates tend to waste lots of time with no conclusion. The standard of a Vedic debate is that when defeated one becomes a disciple of the winning party.
Then he told me that if I am trying to instruct others, I should also take the responsibility and accept them as my disciples.
So this is his mindset, and he has managed to gather 2 or 3 disciples by way of word jugglery.
In another conversation I had with him:
10/4/2017
VIDURA: [Regarding ISKCON’s deviation, it is now our duty to establish] a clear distinction between what went wrong, WHY it went wrong, and how to make it right.
PURUJIT: the way how i understand it is that the next diksa guru is required when the knowledge becomes difficult for people to understand.
VIDURA: well Srila Prabhupada gave his discipline in his books. If his books are the lawbooks for society, so is his discipline. and therefore, [as] everyone is following his discipline. they are his disciples.
PURUJIT: why do you think it (ISKCON) went wrong?
VIDURA: it went wrong because the orders of the acharya were disobeyed due to personal motivation.
PURUJIT: yes ultimately because of free will, misuse of free will. cuz you can choose whether to follow or disobey. it is not that maya tricks us to disobey.
VIDURA: but we have to deal with the issue directly. We have to be practical. the issue is specifically: not following the orders of the acharya. We cannot say “the issue is simply misuse of free will, we are all guilty of that here”, etc etc.
PURUJIT: no, no. my point is by free will these early disciples decided to deviate, and similarly by free will people will choose to follow. but they must be inspired. for this reason i think srila prabhupada’s books are not enough. there should be also disciples acting.
VIDURA; maya is always there trying to trick us. if we are sincere and submissive in the following the orders of the spiritual master we will not be misled by maya. They used their free will to go to hell now, these leaders. but we should not over-generalize the issue. over-generalization is another form of avoidance. its important to understand that the issue that needs to be dealt with is following the orders of srila prabhupada. if we generalize the issue to being mis-use of free will, then we cannot pinpoint the problem.
PURUJIT: i personally honestly speaking am aware that i can also become deviant. one can become as much bogus in the position of a rtvik as in the position of an iskcon guru. i can now see this very clearly. of course the rtvik might not externally accept any type of worship, but in the dynamic preaching he also gives instruction and in that sense connects devotees to prabhupada. i wrote an article in this connection its called spiritual master is complete. the links go simultaneously you link with prabhupada but your godbrothers can also link you it is not opposing to one another as long as they repeat the instruction as it is. i think this is more of an issue than the formalities of initiation. the real deviation is to change the instruction. i can tell you from my practical experience, i have preached to people who did not follow anything in the beginning and by preaching to them, they became fixed up so they develop trust. you explain prabhupada to them in many instances
VIDURA: the ritvik is connecting people to Srila Prabhupada in as much as a child who says “Krishna is God” is connecting people.
PURUJIT: especially in the beginning when they are not so familiar with srila prabhupada’s books.
VIDURA: be it a ritvik, a child, a parrot, our duty is to simply repeat what we have heard from Srila Prabhupada’s books. That is how we connect people to SP.
PURUJIT: well rtvik is just a formality lets call it non-liberated siksa guru.
VIDURA: no no, we are all siksa guru. why create some high distinction for ritvik?
[SKIPPING DOWN]
PURUJIT: the two co-exist: siksa guru diksa guru. but then you might have an uttama siksa guru madhyam kanistha. kanistha and uttama there is a difference
VIDURA: yes because technically we are not imparting the transcendental knowledge. Srila Prabhupada is. Just think of it as Srila Prabhupada being still physically present. We bring the prospective disciples to him for initiation, no matter if we are uttama adhikari. If we try to take our own disciples, even in Srila Prabhupada’s presence, then immediately we become disconnected.
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
VIDURA: so factually Srila Prabhupada has made himself present through his books and murti, etc, and we must bring the prospective disciples to him, always.
PURUJIT: siksa disciples.
VIDURA: we are all siksa disciples of each other in this movement for that matter.
PURUJIT: not necessarily. isnt it by hearing we become such “disciples”?
VIDURA: “i wish that all my members cooperate keeping the acharya in the cecenter. on that principle we can open any number of temples”
PURUJIT: i cant hear from everyone. i choose my association…what practically happens is that many times people hear from their godbrothers more than reading srila prabhupada’s books. this is not necessarily bad, if the godbrothers are repeating as it is.
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
Mahesh: July 9th 1977 Ritvik Directive is about FOLLOWING Srila Prabhupada and ALL the disciples ARE Srila Prabhupada’s.
Purujit is like Locananda das (NY) he was speaking of Officiating Acarya BUT his TRUE aim was he was after disciples of HIS OWN this is WHY he chose careful VAGUE description because he KNEW Ritvik has NO disciples of his OWN as per July 9th 1977 Directive. Locananada, however, forgot one thing: Officiating Acarya is ALSO called Ritvik:
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41979#comment-40364
Note:IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES
Madhya 7.130 The Lord’ s Tour of South India
The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. ONE SHOULD NOT TRY TO BE AN ARTIFICIALLY ADVANCED DEVOTEE, THINKING, “I AM A FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEE.” SUCH THINKING SHOULD BE AVOIDED. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
This Purujit has manufactured various terminology to best suit his agenda of having a very high ambition to be a guru himself by hook or crook in collecting disciples under the disguising himself in following Srila Prabhupada’s VANI AS IT IS. That is in a nut shell which we knew it when he separated from our group of like minded keeping Srila Prabhupada in the Centre and serving His mission SELFLESSLY As It Is.
To prove my point, here below I re-submit the writing of Purujit with Vidura Prabhu’s comment posted under reference duly exhibiting Purujit’s mind set ;
PURUJIT: well rtvik is just a formality lets call it non-liberated siksa guru.
Wow ……… Non Liberated Siksa Guru. Only a FOOLISH LETTER CARRIER can think himself that he has become Post Master and he can handle Letters the way he wants, deliver it or not, open it and add or delete as he wishes and so on. That is indeed a sign and symptoms of first class MUDHA. Is it NOT ?
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
The same example the Letter Carrier can also recruit has own team of letter carriers to become a Siksa Post Master who trains the new comers in order to join his team . How FOOLISH it can become ? Just like a blind man follows another blind person. How exciting it becomes ? Isn’t it ?
PURUJIT: siksa disciples.
Same example as above mentioned.
PURUJIT: not necessarily. isnt it by hearing we become such “disciples”?
A Letter Carrier gets hired by the Post Master or his representative whether or not authorized, s/he does the same and recruit some body else, the same set up. Is it not this Mudha / Blind Purujit is following the same path.
PURUJIT: i cant hear from everyone. i choose my association…what practically happens is that many times people hear from their godbrothers more than reading srila prabhupada’s books. this is not necessarily bad, if the godbrothers are repeating as it is.
Oh sure, Purujit chooses his association, the same way as described in my example of a Letter Carrier, s/he goes to recruit who listens from other letter carrier which is not necessarily bad as he describes in his writing, now comes, if the letter carriers are repeating as it is because Purujit has the association of his like minded recruits rather than having the association of Srila Prabhupada’s followers as it is.
Well, that is Purujit’s mind set. As long as he has couple of his recruits, he will keep on going in cheating and misleading so many people all in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Thank you Vidura Prabhu for sharing your interaction on fb with this cunning person Purujit.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Initiation or diksa is a process which formally connects a person with a certain religious tradition, spiritual lineage or sampradaya. There are four Vaisnava sampradayas, one of them is Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya. Srila Prabhupada belongs to Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya sampradaya, and he performed initiations into the same, not only in formality but in giving spiritual knowledge also (divyam jnanam or diksa).
In his Bhakti-sandarbha, Sri Jiva Goswami Prabhupada writes the following about diksa: divyam jnanam yato dadyat kuryat papasya sanksayam, “(Diksa) involves giving of transcendental knowledge by which sins are destroyed.”
So, diksa means both formal initiation and spiritual initiation. Srila Prabhupada is giving both. Formal initiation is simply performed on behalf of Srila Prabhupada, and spiritual initiation is mainly in his books.
During formal and spiritual initiation, the connection with sampradaya is strengthening, as one follows Srila Prabhupada’s instructions – chanting minimum 16 rounds of Hare Krsna maha-mantra, following 4 regulative principles, hearing, preaching, serving the mission and so on. It is important to realize that the above spiritual discipline is given by Srila Prabhupada only, and those who follow them are called Srila Prabhupada’s disciples.
In this way Srila Prabhupada is a diksa guru for anyone who takes formal initiation into sampradaya (ritvik), spiritual initiation (books, devotees) and follows the discipline (chanting, regulative principles, mangal arati).
Those who accept Srila Prabhupada as their diksa guru are called Prabhupadanugas, and it is the safest and most reliable path for self realization, as one follows in the footsteps of a pure devotee of Krsna.
This is my own understanding of the subject which I wanted to share. I am just one who accepts Srila Prabhupada as our spiritual master, and tries to follow him in my own capacity. I am happy with that, because Krsna will always protect me from thinking that I am an advanced devotee, or even any kind of devotee.
Hare Krsna. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
yes, Prabhu, so only those who follow the discipline given by Srila Prabhupada and preach on his behalf have the right to call themselves Prahubpadanugas. Jaya!
answer these 5 questions
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Dear Readers,
Please be advised that NO one has any authority to correct or revise the Accepted and Published work during His manifestation LILA of the world wide well known personality His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupada in any form or format.
Should any one wishes to write such literature, they are free to do so without touching the writing in any shape or form of HDG. Srila Prabhupada VANI. In other words, they should write from the scratch.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
no answers, right? simply blabbering. that is what you are all about.
WHY DOES THE ADMIN ALLOW BLASPHEMOUS COMMENTS TOWARDS PURUJIT PRABHU, BUT CENSORS THE REPLIES BY MYSELF???
Makhancora, don’t be afraid of the TRUTH which must be spoken one way or the other.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Aha ……… It looks like these two Chamchas Makhancora dasa and Ramchandra dasa ( perhaps this guy under the name Miguel who made comment also is the Karmi name of one of the two CRETINS initiated by Mudha Purujit ) are his so called disciples whom he uses them to promote and protect his personal agenda.
Any body, please feel free to correct me in this regard, if my inference as stated above is correct.
Makhancora, read with rapt attention all my comments and you will find your reply to your Questions. You do not need to write any further unnecessary useless comments.
If Purujit has any personal question , then, he should feel free to ask also. Better yet, he has my phone number. Simply call me please. He does not need to shy away from me because I knew him personally well as a Bhakta Pedro.
Unfortunately, Purujit twisted and turned against not only to himself being a devotee but Srila Prabhupada’s VANI also under the FREE WILL of having such an Iccha and Daivsha on account of his High Personal Ambition / agenda which has totally blinded him to see the reality he is in, which strongly indicates that he is suffering with the Affliction ( Dosha ) of the Debilitated Jupiter in his natal chart.
The help is available if he so desires. Purujit, please do not incur further DOSHA in your life and the lives of two seemingly misdirected souls, perhaps others also who are following in your foot steps heading towards the down hill under the disguising of Vaishnava dress in rendering the devotional service for our Jagat Guru HDG. Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Wake up, Purujit and give up the NON-sense of thinking and feeling which makes you do in executing such abominable activities of misrepresentation and misguiding leading to a CHEATING in order to satisfy simply your whimsical desire all under the spell of the external energy which gives you such High Ambition that which is known as contaminants in devotional service.
Hope you do realize and understand it what I am saying, Purujit.
You know well Sri Guru Vandana and sing this prayer ; ” …. ar na koriho mane asa …….. ” I remember that you sang enthusiastically.
So, Purujit when you come to your real devotional senses, ask yourself ;
What is all this drama you are doing ?
Do you not sing any more ” …. ar na koriho mane asa …….. ”
OR
Your disciple, perhaps, made a new song who sings daily for you ?
I sincerely do hope that you read this my message Purujit, and take the necessary heed to make your life sincerely and truly sublime in cultivating Krsna Consciousness as you did in the past when I met you, Bhakta Pedro.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Hare Krsna,
Srila Prabhupada also authorized Bhagavad-gita 1972 by translations:
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Room conversation – November 3, 1977, Vṛndāvana
Dr. Kapoor: Which other languages have you translated Prabhupāda’s books in? French?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, there’s I think twenty-seven languages. French, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish…
Dr. Kapoor: Oh. All the books are translated?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Gradually, one by one. This is Dvārakeśa. He’s in charge of the translating department for East Europe. Which languages do you translate?
Dvārakeśa: Russian and Hungarian. And others translate into Yugoslavian and Polish, Czechoslovakian.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He has preached in some of those countries already.
Pañca-draviḍa: Now BHAGAVAD-GITA in Arabic also.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Arabic, Chinese, Japanese. Twenty-seven languages altogether. One by one, they’re being translated. Some are doing… Of course, the German, Spanish, French, Portuguese, Italian, these are the main languages. And Hindi. These books are going quicker in translation. Shall I finish reading this report, Śrīla Prabhupāda? [break]
Dr. Kapoor: It’s a miracle what is happening, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
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NOTE : The fact is that for example Dvarakesa Das translated Bhagavad -gita As It Is 1972 into Hungarian language in 1981.
Hare Krsna