When the master dictates a letter to his secretary (and afterwards signs the letter
with HIS signature) does the secretary suddenly become the author, owner or master?
BLISS (Purujit and Makanchora) say: “Tamal Wrote the July 9th Letter.”
Vidura Mahatma das
2 July, 2018
Talk about true colors! After announcing their program to change Srila Prabhupada’s books, specifically the 1972 Gita, Purujit and Makanchora from the Bhaktivedanta Lives in Sound Society (BLISS) are now preaching that Tamal wrote the July 9th Letter [as if on his own authority]! Isn’t this the same thing that all the ISKCON “guru”, “living guru” advocates preach? Why are Purujit and Makanchora quoting ISKCON gurus? Is there anything they actually disagree with coming from either the GBC or BBTi?
[click to read article on Purujit’s book changes]
Makanchora: The exact fundamental basis [of our editing the books] is that Prabhupada wants his books back to the original way. Original is what Prabhupada says, not Hayagriva. The other part [of our basis] is that Hayagriva changed Prabhupadas words.
Note: The rascal editors conversation does NOT justify “editing” the Gita. Srila Prabhupada says in the conversation to print the books back to the “original way”. The 1972 edition is the original form from the original manuscript, and Srila Prabhupada even confirms this in his preface to the 1972 edition. Whatever editing work Hayagriva did leading up to the 1972 Gita was approved by Srila Prabhupada and Srila Prabhupada never gave any instruction to go back and revise that work, save and except a few known corrections which nobody is disputing. Srila Prabhupada was very happy with the 1972 Gita. He lectured from it for the later 5 years, personally read from it, and had it distributed to hundreds of thousands of souls all over the world. It is a severe offense to try to go back and change or “edit” this 1972 Gita as Purujit and Makanchora have.
When I said Tamal is not our authority, Srila Prabhupada is, Makanchora replied that the July 9th letter was Tamal’s authority, as if to say the ritviks are also taking Tamal’s authority. What nonsense!
Makanchora: Tamal says “go over ALL the books”. Prabhupada doesnt exclude the Gita…he doesn’t protest Tamals proposal. Tamal wrote the July 9th letter, by the way.
Note: Unfortunately, Makanchora does not even know the definition of a secretary. The secretary works on behalf of someone to forward their orders and wishes. The July 9th letter was signed and approved by Srila Prabhupada. The letter conveyed Srila Prabhupada’s wishes, only typed by a secretary, Tamal. It cannot be said that the order actually came from Tamal. The order came from Srila Prabhupada. It is not Tamal’s authority, it is Srila Prabhupada’s authority. Bogus gurus try to put the authority on Tamal so as to discard the ritvik order and Srila Prabhupada’s rightful position as initiating spiritual master. Purujit and Makanchora have adopted the same mentality as these bogus gurus. Birds of a feather flock together.
With regards to Tamal’s suggestion in the Rascal Editors conversation, let us analyze it:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think Svarūpa Dāmodara’s point, that all the books should now be checked before they’re reprinted again.
Note: “reprinted”. Not manuscripts, but actual printed books. Makanchora and Purujit want to misconstrue this to refer to manuscripts.
Let’s go back and see Svarūpa Dāmodara’s point that Tamal agrees with:
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I think we should make whole survey, all books already printed, before printing the next batch, and check any mistakes so that it should be all corrected.
Note: “all books already printed”. Does this refer to manuscripts? Where is the logic?
In any case, these suggestions by Svarupa and Tamal are not the final authority. Srila Prabhupada’s statement “the next printing should be again to the original way” is the final authoritative statement on the matter. We can see from the context of the entire conversation that “original way” refers to already printed editions of books, not manuscripts. No where in the conversation are manuscripts being discussed. This is a completely foreign and unnatural element to bring into the conversation by Purujit/Makanchora and is just another example of his tendency to speculate and misconstrue things.
Srila Prabhupada says:
““Personal realization does not mean that one should, out of vanity, attempt to show one’s own learning by trying to surpass the previous ācārya. He must have full confidence in the previous ācārya, and at the same time he must realize the subject matter so nicely that he can present the matter for the particular circumstances in a suitable manner. The original purpose of the text must be maintained. No obscure meaning should be screwed out of it…” (Srimad-Bhagavatam SB 1.4.1 purprot)
Purujit is simply after profit, adoration and distinction. His number of disciples has not been increasing nicely, with only Makanchora and a few other local eccentrics. Thus he is now trying a new strategy to gain that P.A.D., and that strategy is changing Srila Prabhupada’s books like the 1972 Gita.
One can detect his ambition to be guru or have a distinguished, prestigious position from the following conversation I had with him in October of 2017:
Purujit Das: Vidura Mahatma Das: Sorry, Prabhu if I cut you off. I am just a bit busy. These FB debates tend to waste lots of time with no conclusion. The standard of a Vedic debate is that when defeated one becomes a disciple of the winning party.
Then he told me that if I am trying to instruct others, I should also take the responsibility and accept them as my disciples.
So this is his mindset, and he has managed to gather 2 or 3 disciples (e.g. Makanchora) by way of word jugglery. But of course, the cheated want to be cheated.
More evidence on Purujit’s ambitious desire to become guru can be shown in a conversation I had with him last year (2017):
10/4/2017
VIDURA: [Regarding ISKCON’s deviation, it is now our duty to establish] a clear distinction between what went wrong, WHY it went wrong, and how to make it right.
PURUJIT: the way how i understand it is that the next diksa guru is required when the knowledge becomes difficult for people to understand.
VIDURA: well Srila Prabhupada gave his discipline in his books. If his books are the lawbooks for society, so is his discipline. and therefore, [as] everyone is following his discipline. they are his disciples.
PURUJIT: why do you think it (ISKCON) went wrong?
VIDURA: it went wrong because the orders of the acharya were disobeyed due to personal motivation.
PURUJIT: yes ultimately because of free will, misuse of free will. cuz you can choose whether to follow or disobey. it is not that maya tricks us to disobey.
VIDURA: but we have to deal with the issue directly. We have to be practical. the issue is specifically: not following the orders of the acharya. We cannot say “the issue is simply misuse of free will, we are all guilty of that here”, etc etc.
PURUJIT: no, no. my point is by free will these early disciples decided to deviate, and similarly by free will people will choose to follow. but they must be inspired. for this reason i think srila prabhupada’s books are not enough. there should be also disciples acting.
VIDURA; maya is always there trying to trick us. if we are sincere and submissive in the following the orders of the spiritual master we will not be misled by maya. They used their free will to go to hell now, these leaders. but we should not over-generalize the issue. over-generalization is another form of avoidance. its important to understand that the issue that needs to be dealt with is following the orders of srila prabhupada. if we generalize the issue to being mis-use of free will, then we cannot pinpoint the problem.
PURUJIT: i personally honestly speaking am aware that i can also become deviant. one can become as much bogus in the position of a rtvik as in the position of an iskcon guru. i can now see this very clearly. of course the rtvik might not externally accept any type of worship, but in the dynamic preaching he also gives instruction and in that sense connects devotees to prabhupada. i wrote an article in this connection its called spiritual master is complete. the links go simultaneously you link with prabhupada but your godbrothers can also link you it is not opposing to one another as long as they repeat the instruction as it is. i think this is more of an issue than the formalities of initiation. the real deviation is to change the instruction. i can tell you from my practical experience, i have preached to people who did not follow anything in the beginning and by preaching to them, they became fixed up so they develop trust. you explain prabhupada to them in many instances
VIDURA: the ritvik is connecting people to Srila Prabhupada in as much as a child who says “Krishna is God” is connecting people.
PURUJIT: especially in the beginning when they are not so familiar with srila prabhupada’s books.
VIDURA: be it a ritvik, a child, a parrot, our duty is to simply repeat what we have heard from Srila Prabhupada’s books. That is how we connect people to SP.
PURUJIT: well rtvik is just a formality lets call it non-liberated siksa guru.
VIDURA: no no, we are all siksa guru. why create some high distinction for ritvik?
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VIDURA: Hamsadutta has this idea that the ritvik is some special post, it isn’t. nothing more special than gbc position.
PURUJIT: no i dont think so. i spoke to him hansadutta he is on the ball. the point is naturally when you cultivate someone that person develops trust in you. being a siksa guru is a natural thing in preaching. thats how the mission spreads. it is not that srila prabhupada has to direct every single detail. the proof of srila prabhupada’s potent diksa is that he creates proper brahmanas who assist him. they dont have to be uttama adhikaris.
VIDURA: Srila Prabhupada set up his movement so that everybody is supposed to be acting and repeating his instructions. be it to “rise early” or “wash that pot better prabhu!” these are all Srila Prabhupada’s instructions, and we are all siksa gurus…
[See Hamsaduta expose by IRM: http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/Ham100208.htm)
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PURUJIT: the two co-exist: siksa guru diksa guru. but then you might have an uttama siksa guru madhyam kanistha. kanistha and uttama there is a difference
VIDURA: yes because technically we are not imparting the transcendental knowledge. Srila Prabhupada is. Just think of it as Srila Prabhupada being still physically present. We bring the prospective disciples to him for initiation, no matter if we are uttama adhikari. If we try to take our own disciples, even in Srila Prabhupada’s presence, then immediately we become disconnected.
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
VIDURA: so factually Srila Prabhupada has made himself present through his books and murti, etc, and we must bring the prospective disciples to him, always.
PURUJIT: siksa disciples.
VIDURA: we are all siksa disciples of each other in this movement for that matter.
PURUJIT: not necessarily. isnt it by hearing we become such “disciples”?
VIDURA: “i wish that all my members cooperate keeping the acharya in the cecenter. on that principle we can open any number of temples”
PURUJIT: i cant hear from everyone. i choose my association…what practically happens is that many times people hear from their godbrothers more than reading srila prabhupada’s books. this is not necessarily bad, if the godbrothers are repeating as it is.
Final notes
Mahesh: July 9th 1977 Ritvik Directive is about FOLLOWING Srila Prabhupada and ALL the disciples ARE Srila Prabhupada’s.
[see Locanananda expose by IRM: http://www.iskconirm.com/docs/webpages/Locanananda.htm)
Purujit is like Locananda das (NY) he was speaking of Officiating Acarya BUT his TRUE aim was he was after disciples of HIS OWN this is WHY he chose careful VAGUE description because he KNEW Ritvik has NO disciples of his OWN as per July 9th 1977 Directive. Locananada, however, forgot one thing: Officiating Acarya is ALSO called Ritvik:
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
770528me.vrn Conversations
Satsvarupa: By the votes of the present GBC. Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you’re no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted.
Prabhupada: Yes. I shall recommend some of you. After this is settled up, I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acaryas.
Tamala Krsna: Is that called rtvik-acarya?
Prabhupada: RTVIK, YES.
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41979#comment-40364
Note: IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES
Madhya 7.130 The Lord’ s Tour of South India
The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer or whatever. It doesn’t matter. One only has to follow the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of the Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home, following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one’s life will be spiritually successful. ONE SHOULD NOT TRY TO BE AN ARTIFICIALLY ADVANCED DEVOTEE, THINKING, “I AM A FIRST-CLASS DEVOTEE.” SUCH THINKING SHOULD BE AVOIDED. IT IS BEST NOT TO ACCEPT ANY DISCIPLES. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles enunciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Thus one can become a spiritual master and be freed from the contamination of material life.
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Amar puri das:
Only a FOOLISH LETTER CARRIER can think himself that he has become Post Master and he can handle Letters the way he wants, deliver it or not, open it and add or delete as he wishes and so on. That is indeed a sign and symptoms of first class MUDHA. Is it NOT ?
Oh sure, Purujit chooses his association, the same way as described in my example of a Letter Carrier, s/he goes to recruit who listens from other letter carrier which is not necessarily bad as he describes in his writing, now comes, if the letter carriers are repeating as it is because Purujit has the association of his like minded recruits rather than having the association of Srila Prabhupada’s followers as it is.
Well, that is Purujit’s mind set. As long as he has couple of his recruits, he will keep on going in cheating and misleading so many people all in the name of serving Srila Prabhupada’s mission.
Vidura Mahatma das: Purujit is simply after profit, adoration and distinction. His number of disciples has not been increasing nicely, with only Makanchora and a few other local eccentrics. Thus he is now trying a new strategy to gain that P.A.D., and that strategy is changing Srila Prabhupada’s books like the 1972 Gita.
One can detect his ambition to be guru or have a distinguished, prestigious position from the following conversation I had with him in October of 2017:
Purujit Das: Vidura Mahatma Das: Sorry, Prabhu if I cut you off. I am just a bit busy. These FB debates tend to waste lots of time with no conclusion. The standard of a Vedic debate is that when defeated one becomes a disciple of the winning party.
Then he told me that if I am trying to instruct others, I should also take the responsibility and accept them as my disciples.
So this is his mindset, and he has managed to gather 2 or 3 disciples (e.g. Makanchora) by way of word jugglery. But of course, the cheated want to be cheated.
Mahesh: Purujit, Makanchora and company have no clear understanding of the meaning of “Srila Prabhupada’s disciple”(Prabhupadanuga). ALL the discipline is FACTUALLY coming FROM Srila Prabhupada. AND— since ALL THE DISCIPLINE is coming FROM Srila Prabhupada FROM HIS BOOKS,TAPES,MP3’S, CD’S,INSTRUCTIONS ETC then NOBODY can claim Srila Prabhupada’s disciples as their own:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=43453
Note:…”and false arguments can be conquered by factual ascertainment”
As far as salvation is concerned, one has to conquer the principles of lust, anger, unlawful desires, avarice and bewilderment. To get freedom from anger, one should learn how to forgive. To be free from unlawful desires one should not make plans. By spiritual culture one is able to conquer sleep. By tolerance only can one conquer desires and avarice. Disturbances from various diseases can be avoided by regulated diets. By self-control one can be free from false hopes, and money can be saved by avoiding undesirable association. By practice of yoga one can control hunger, and worldliness can be avoided by culturing the knowledge of impermanence. Dizziness can be conquered by rising up, and false arguments can be conquered by factual ascertainment. Talkativeness can be avoided by gravity and silence, and by prowess one can avoid fearfulness. Perfect knowledge can be obtained by self-cultivation. One must be free from lust, avarice, anger, dreaming, etc., to actually attain the path of salvation.
As far as the women class are concerned, they are accepted as a power of inspiration for men. As such, women are more powerful than men. Mighty Julius Caesar was controlled by a Cleopatra. Such powerful women are controlled by shyness. Therefore, shyness is important for women. Once this control valve is loosened, women can create havoc in society by adultery. Adultery means production of unwanted children known as varṇa-saṅkara, who disturb the world.
The last item taught by Bhīṣmadeva was the process of pleasing the Lord. We are all eternal servants of the Lord, and when we forget this essential part of our nature we are put into material conditions of life. The simple process of pleasing the Lord (for the householders especially) is to install the Deity of the Lord at home. By concentrating on the Deity, one may progressively go on with the daily routine work. Worshiping the Deity at home, serving the devotee, hearing the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, residing in a holy place and chanting the holy name of the Lord are all inexpensive items by which one can please the Lord. Thus the subject matter was explained by the grandfather to his grandchildren.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/1/9/27
this is completely out of context
if anyone bothers to see the context, he can see the debate here:
https://www.facebook.com/notes/makhancora-d%C4%81sa/reply-to-vidura-mahatma-prabhus-article-on-the-bliss-book-editing-project/2140049676008678/
the argument that Tamal wrote the July 9th Letter was used, when another letter from Tamal Krishna to Radha-Vallabha, following the “Rascal Editors” conversation was dismissed as an evidence that the books are to be re-edited:
“So far as who is “authorized” and “unauthorized”, it is the same as when the GBC spoke with Srila Prabhupada about “legal” and “illegal” distribution. Srila Prabhupada’s definition of what is legal is “whatever sells my books.” In the same way, as long as the editors edit everything perfectly they are “authorized” and when they make mistakes, whatever the reason is then they become “unauthorized.” When you do everything nicely you are praised and when some mistake is there, you are a “rascal.” This is true for all of us.
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In any case His Divine Grace has not thought about this editing matter since the day of that conversation which was nearly a month ago. Please just try to make all the corrections in the new editions and everything will be alright, and of course don’t make any unnecessary changes. Please take Yasodanandan’s letter in a constructive way.”
(From: Tamal Krishna to Radha-Vallabha, July 22nd, 1977)
It is a fact, that the July 9th Letter was written by Tamal Krishna Goswami and signed by Srila Prabhupada. Tamal served as Prabhupada´s secretary at that time and similarly, Tamal served as Prabhupada´s secretary when he wrote to Radha-Vallabha about the editing. To accept one letter as Holy and to dismiss another one, written by the same person in service of Srila Prabhupada is simply a half-hen logic of a motivated personality.
Question to Admin: why my article responding Vidura´s claims is not published here, although it was submitted??? Is censorship a new method of Vaisnava discussion? this is obnoxious!
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Wow …….. Look what I found very interesting writing of a Chamcha Makhancora, the CRETIN initiated by another CRETIN Purujit dasa at this following link ;
https://www.facebook.com/notes/makhancora-d%C4%81sa/reply-to-vidura-mahatma-prabhus-article-on-the-bliss-book-editing-project/2140049676008678/
Purujit Das Tejiyas: Several times I heard Prabhupada talk about change. “In general,” he said, “your whole disease is that you want to change everything,” Devotees changed Prabhupada’s instructions. For example, Prabhupada mentioned how devotees in Los Angeles had taken down the glass windows although he didn’t want that. But, at the same time, there were things that Prabhupada did want changed. For instance, he asked the editors to change the incorrect wording in the Gita — Hayagriva had put “cattle raising” instead of “cow protection” — and because of that and other mistakes, Prabhupada had once joked, “Bhagavad-gita As It Is Not.” There were many such mistakes that needed correcting and Prabhupada sometimes got angry when we were slow to change those.
Memories of Srila Prabhupad by Purujit
My question to Purujit is that was Purujit present himself when he heard Prabhupada talk about change when he ( this CRETIN Purujit ) memorized as he wrote that Prabhupada sometimes got angry when we were slow to change those. ?
WHAT KIND OF A LIE IS THIS ?
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Miguel Ramos Zevallos
Miguel Ramos Zevallos So what we want..cow protection ( original prabhupada) or catle raising wich is Hayagriva?
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Makhancora Dāsa
Makhancora Dāsa CATTLE RAISING WHILE THE MOON LANDING HAPPENS AND SEA JOURNEY ON THE PLANET OF TREES WITH THE KNOWER OF THE FIELD IDENTIFYING WITH THE BODY PRACTICING DEVOTIONAL SERVICE BEST UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF A BONA FIDE SPIRITUAL MASTER WHO WANTS KRSNA AS HIS DEVOTEE!
AND NOTHING ELSE OR GO TO HELL!
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Dear Readers,
The Intent and Purpose of Purujit and associates is having an ICCHA and DAIVASHA which are seen through the eyes of the Shastras as the CONTAMINANT in the lives of Krsna Consciousness Practitioners as a Spiritual Leaders.
For example, what my friend Purujit is saying ;
PURUJIT: no, but siksa guru also has disciples.
Why I call him my friend because when he was cultivating KC in his early stages when I met him a long time ago, I found him a sincere young man but after his first initiation when he became Purujit from Bhakta Mike Pedro, he started developing CONTAMINANTS shortly after his first formal initiation.
I have no idea who gave him his Brahmana Initiation if he had any.
Now Hansdutta recommends Purujit as a Ritvik as written by his Chamcha Makhancora. ALL of us know very well that Handutta also did serve Srila Prabhupada’s mission SELFLESSLY during Srila Prabhupada’s LILA but right after or perhaps earlier, he also got contaminated with the same ICCHA and DAIVSHA and became Selfish to fulfil his Personal Agenda exactly like Purujit. That is why One Deviant recommends another Deviant follower.
WHAT KIND OF A CREDIBILITY IS THIS ?
IS THIS NOT A CHEATING LEADING TO BECOME A CHEATER SIMPLY BY MISLEADING PEOPLE ALL IN THE NAME OF SRILA PRABHUPADA, book editing and re-writing Srila Prabhupada’s BOOKS by quoting Srila Prabhupada AS A SMOKE SCREEN ?
I think that I have written and shared with all of you including Purujit and Party AS TO WHY and WHERE ARE THE FLAWS IN their presentation which speaks way louder than their own justification presented by Makhancora dasa in a smoke screen by quoting Srila Prabhupada.
I know it is getting late night here at my place and until such time, let us continue SELFLESSLY MEANINGFUL learning Krsna Consciousness as HDG. Srila Prabhupada desires from His followers devotees in order to make our respective lives sublime to go back Home Back To Godhead.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Vidura says: “Makanchora replied that the July 9th letter was Tamal’s authority” – this is an outright LIE!