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Prabhupada: Well, they do not believe in astrology. Therefore they cannot take any step. They do not believe in next life, so they cannot take any step. And whether it is a fact or not, because they do not believe in next life, so what is the use of taking step? Is it as good as to say that Jawaharlal Nehru has become Indra. If somebody says like that, so they’ll have to discard this thing also, and they have to discard that thing also. Because they do not believe in the next life. Simply by presenting Bhagavad-gita as it is, we can defy all these rascals. Everything is there. Bhagavad-gita was not presented as it is. That is the defect. The first thing is: tatha dehantara-praptih. Nobody understands. And they are students of Bhagavad-gita. Even Gandhi, he did not understand, dehantara-praptih. All these political leaders, they do not understand what is dehantara-praptih. What do you think, Bhadra Krsna? The dehantara-praptih, do they understand?
Bhadra Krsna: It’s not something known.
Prabhupada: Yes. They do not understand.
Guest (1): (Bengali) Gandhiji, he was politician, he was actually not devotee, and he could not understand Bhagavad-gita. But how the name of Rama has come when he died? The name of Rama, Hare Rama, has come from his last word. How it has come. It is, it is…
Prabhupada: Practice, practice. Raghupati raghava raja rama.
Guest (1): So that came at the last word.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Guest (1): It is due to his pious or practice.
Prabhupada: Practice. That will act, that will act, that will act.
Guest (1): So this was my question about how, he was not acting, but…,
Prabhupada: No. He did not know. But because he was chanting raghupati raghava raja rama, that has given him this effect, yes. On account of chanting. But he really did not understand. Just like the same example, the Mohammedan. He said “ha rama.” He wanted to speak “harama,” but it become “ha rama.” That is the… He did not know anything about Rama, but the name Rama is so powerful that although he said, “harama,” it effected. Yes. But Gandhi may not know the purpose of Bhagavad-gita, but as he chanted “ha rama,” that has been effective.
Pearl: I wondered what “Rama” meant when we say the mantra, Hare Rama, you see.
Prabhupada: Rama means…
Guest (3): So it was not due to his pious activities, but only he was practicing.
Prabhupada: No, that is pious activity, that is pious activity.
Guest (1): That is why at the time of death he spoke Rama, raghupati raghava raja rama.
Prabhupada: He was a pious man.
Guest (1): He was pious man.
Prabhupada: Undoubtedly.
Guest (1): So he chanted “Rama” in practice.
Prabhupada: Daily he was chanting raghupati raghava raja rama. So…,
Guest (3): (indistinct)
Prabhupada: Yes. Where this chanting effect will go? Yes. The chanting… Hare Krsna. But I mean to say that he could not teach what Rama.
Guest (1): (laughs) No.
Prabhupada: That is his misfortune. But in spite of his misfortune, because he was practiced to chant the name of Rama, he was pious. Although he was ignorant. He was absorbed in thought of politics. He should have, if he would have understood that Rama is a fact, Krsna is a fact… That he did not understand. Then he would have preached the glories of Rama, glories of Krsna. He took the chanting of Rama for his political purposes. He utilized for political purpose. Just like… That is nama-aparadha. Samah subha-kriya mati pramanah (?). He was trying to get some material profit by chanting the holy name of Rama. That he got, material profit. He was the most famous politician, all over the world.
Guest (1): But he did not accept any post, you know that? At the same time…,
Prabhupada: But he also accepted “Mahatma” although what…
Guest (1): But not political post.
Prabhupada: That is another trick, it may be. Or he did not like. It may be. Because he was so great, what is the presidency? Presidency elected post for five years. But he was recognized all over the world as a great leader. That is greater than any president’s post or prime minister’s post. So that is not much. But the thing is that if he was actually aware of the importance of Rama, that he did not. He took it, “Rama” as some means for his political purpose. But still it effected. At the time of death he said, “Rama.” So…
Guest (1): So you think he has gone to heaven or some, what is his position?
Prabhupada: NO… BUT BECAUSE HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND RAMA, THEREFORE HE CANNOT GO TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. BUT HE’LL GET VERY HIGH POSITION.
Guest (1): High position.
Prabhupada: OH, YES. HE MAY GO TO THE HEAVENLY PLANET
Guest (1): Still in the material world.
Srutakirti: He said he’s still in the material world. Heavenly planets is still the material world.
Prabhupada: HEAVEN IS IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. HEAVEN IS IN THE MATERIAL WORLD. YOU CAN GET GREATER STANDARD OF LIFE, GREATER DURATION OF LIFE, THAT’S ALL. HIGHER STANDARD OF LIFE. Just like Brahma. Brahma’s one day you cannot calculate. He’s so powerful, how he’s created this universe. But he is in the material world. He’s also a living entity like us, but very exalted. So he cannot get the post of Brahma. But he can get life in higher planetary system. That is certain. That is explained in the, find out that verse. That is explained in the…um. That verse, yoga-bhrasto ‘bhijayate sucinam srimatam gehe. But he did not understand Bhagavad-gita, that’s a fact.
Guest (1): But what about this position of Valmiki or Ramayana?
Prabhupada: They went to the kingdom of God. They knew what is Rama.
Guest (1): They knew.
Prabhupada: Yes. They are not in vague understanding.
Guest (1): They wouldn’t be able to write Ramayana if he didn’t understand Lord Ramacandra?
Prabhupada: Yes. He had meditated for sixty thousands of years.
Guest (1): But I think it was Gandhi who said that Kuruksetra is this body, five Pandavas is the five senses and this is all interpretation concoction.
Prabhupada: (laughs) He did not understand, that’s a fact. But even this child, he does not understand, but if he chants Hare Krsna, that will be effective. If he understands or not understand. It doesn’t matter.
Guest (1): The name is so powerful.
Prabhupada: Yes. What is that?
Pradyumna: Prapya punya-krtam lokan.
Prabhupada: Ah, prapya punya-krtam lokan. This is the… So punya-krtam lokan means heavenly planet. Prapya punya-krtam lokan. You cannot go to the heavenly planet unless you are very pious. So he’s promoted in heavenly planet where the duration of life is very long, standard of living is very nice. But there is no Krsna consciousness. What is that, prapya punya-krtam lokan?
Pradyumna: Usitva sasvatih samah.
Prabhupada: Usitva sasvatih samah. For a very long time. Because to get life in the heavenly planets means at least ten thousands of years. In their calculation. Their one day is equal to six months. In that way ten thousand years. Usitva sasvatih samah. What is it? Usitva sasvatih samah?
Pradyumna: Usitva sasvatih samah, sucinam srimatam gehe yoga-bhrasto ‘bhijayate.
Prabhupada: Then, again they come down to this material world and he takes birth either in a very exalted brahmana family, sucinam, or very rich, vaisya family. After enjoying there, again he’s given chance to become Krsna conscious. And if he misses, then again he goes down. Therefore Narottama dasa Thakura says these are all false elevation. If I have to come again back, again I have to accept another lower grade life, then what is the profit? Krsna gives His straight understanding, tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti: You become Krsna conscious. After the giving up this body, no more material body either in the heavenly planet or in the lower hellish planet. “You come direct to Me.” That is perfection. You should not be attracted by somebody has gone to heavenly planet for ten thousands of years living. We should not be attracted by these things. Therefore Prabodhananda Sarasvati says, kaivalyam narakayate tridasa-pur akasa-puspayate. Tridasa-pur means the heavenly planets. Akasa, it is just like will of the wisp. Something, just like, what do you say Hindi? There are many proverbs, which has no existence. Just like in Bengali we say ghoda-dima. Ghoda-dima. Dima means egg. The horse never lays down egg. But the word is running on: “the egg of horse.” So it has no existence but the word is there. Similarly, what do you say in Hindi? Something which has no existence but it is current. I think there is.
Guest (1): Hawaikila (?).
Prabhupada: Hawaikila, yes. Hawaikila means in the air there is a fort. It is something like, the Vaisnava considers the heavenly planets, that hawaikila. That’s all.
Guest (1): This rich birth is important for self-realization?
Prabhupada: Next birth?
Devotees: Rich birth, to be born in a rich family.
Prabhupada: No, no, no. But there is facility. Because people are harassed for getting food and shelter. Everyone is working so hard where to get nice food, where to get nice shelter. Rich man means he has already got. So if he’s sane, if he’s good, has got good association, direction, then he can think, that “I have no anxiety for my food, shelter and other necessities of life. So how I shall utilize my time?” And if he gets good guru, then he can utilize very nicely, chanting Hare Krsna, Krsna consciousness. That is a chance. He hasn’t got to work. Because people are very much perplexed how to get shelter, how to get food. But he has got the chance. He hasn’t got to endeavor for food and shelter and other necessities of the body. Ample he has got. He can save time for spiritual advancement. That is an advantage. It is not necessary. It is almost disadvantage. But actually it is advantage. Unfortunately, those who are born in rich family, they take advantage of it that “I have got so much money, let me enjoy sense gratification.” Maya dictates, “Oh, you have got so much money. Utilize for wine-woman.” That’s all.
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Prabhupāda: Just see how rascal they are. MY GURU MAHĀRĀJA EVERY STEP CONDEMNED THIS RAMAKRISHNA MISSION AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY THAT IF THERE ARE ANY IMPEDIMENTS FOR OUR MOVEMENT, THAT IS THIS GANDHI AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY. HODGE-PODGE. GANDHI’S ALSO HODGE-PODGE. HE WAS A POLITICIAN, AND IN POLITICS HE MIXED SOME SPIRITUAL IDEAS, HODGE-PODGE. AND THIS VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO POLITICIAN. HIS NAME WAS RECORDED IN THE GOVERNMENT AS “SANNYĀSĪ-POLITICIAN.” Because after returning from America, he began to preach to make the poor man rich, and these weak, fatty, and so on, exercise. So the government took it that he’s, under the dress of a sannyāsī, he’s preaching social and political upliftment. So his name was recorded as “sannyāsī-politician.” And his name was also recorded, “political saint,” Gandhi. After all, the British government, they were very intelligent. They could understand what is what. Otherwise, how they were managing this big empire? Very intelligent, there is no doubt about it. And actually they were intelligent. When they were managing, we were happy, actually. Nobody can deny it. Although they were exploiting. But nobody could understand. Everyone was feeling happy. And as soon as they left, everyone is unhappy. That distinction I can give evidence, I can, from my personal experience. Things were very, very nice. Calcutta, oh, it was so nice city. Now it is hell. It is same Calcutta. Why it is now hell? Hidden(?) garden, that was a nice garden. So… Everywhere hell, only hell. Calcutta was considered the nicest city in India, better than Bombay, but it has become now hell. The streets, especially those quarters in our temple.
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Therefore in the Bhagavad-gītā (it is) said,
evaṁ paramparā-prāptam
imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ
sa kāleneha mahatā
yogo naṣṭaḥ parantapa
[Bg. 4.2]
As soon as the process of receiving perfect knowledge is lost, then the original purpose is lost.
So it becomes sometimes lost. When the paramparā system… Just like nowadays, everyone is proud of reading Bhagavad-gītā, but he interprets in his own way. Everyone is at liberty to interpret Bhagavad-gītā as he likes. That is the modern proposal. So there are 664 editions of Bhagavad-gītā. Everyone is commenting in his own way. I have heard that there is one doctor, some rele(?). He has interpreted Bhagavad-gītā as the talks between a patient and a physician. You see? So this is going on. Everyone whimsically, he is interpreting. SOMETIMES IN OUR COUNTRY ALSO, WE SEE THAT MAHATMA GANDHI WANTED TO INTERPRET BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ AS NONVIOLENCE. IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO PROVE, BECAUSE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ IS SPOKEN IN THE BATTLEFIELD OF KURUKṢETRA. (LAUGHS) SO HOW YOU CAN PROVE NONVIOLENCE? So it is a difficult job. So that is not the process of understanding Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā is to be understood, as our Swamiji immediately talked, that it has to be received from the paramparā system.
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JUST LIKE GANDHI. GANDHI WANTED TO ESTABLISH NONVIOLENCE FROM BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ. He was a… He is known to be a great student of Bhagavad-gītā, but he was not at all. His political theory was that he wanted to conquer over the enemies by nonviolence method. Nonviolent noncooperation, that was his, I mean to say, theory. He wanted to get away all kinds of nonviolence from the world, all kinds of violence from the world. So he wanted to prove from Bhagavad-gītā nonviolence. BUT HOW YOU CAN PROVE NONVIOLENCE FROM BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ? BECAUSE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ IS BEING SPOKEN IN THE VIOLENT BATTLEFIELD. BUT BECAUSE HE WANTED TO PROVE NONVIOLENCE, THEREFORE HE SAYS, “OH, THESE PĀṆḌAVAS MEANS THIS. THIS KṚṢṆA MEANS THIS. THIS CHARIOT MEANS THIS. THESE KURUS MEANS THIS. Dharmakṣetra means this. Kurukṣetra means this.” He has invented and manufactured so many rascal meaning that it is very difficult… He said that dharmakṣetre… In the beginning of Bhagavad-gītā there is the verse, dharmakṣetre kurukṣetre samavetā yuyutsavaḥ [Bg. 1.1]. NOW THE VERY WORD YUYUTSAVAḤ MEANS PERSONS WHO ARE DESIRING TO FIGHT WITH ONE ANOTHER. NOW, HOW YOU CAN PROVE NONVIOLENCE? BUT HE EXTRACTS SOME MEANING: “THESE PĀṆḌAVA MEANS FIVE SENSES AND THE KURUKṢETRA MEANS THIS BODY.” IN THIS WAY, HIS INTERPRETATION.
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The Vedānta-sūtra says, athāto brahma jijñāsā. When one has satisfied his senses sufficiently, he is no longer interested in sense gratification. Perhaps you know C.R. Das, the name of C.R. Das in Calcutta. In those days, fifty years ago he was earning fifty thousand rupees per month, but he was not satisfied. And one day he and his wife were sitting together and the wife questioned, “Why do you look so morose? You have got everything at your command. Everyone respects you. You have got money. Everything you have got, education, popularity. Still, why you are unhappy?” So he simply, by chance he saw one mendicant was passing on the street, a sādhu beggar. So he said, “I want to become like him.” He said, “I want to be a mendicant like him.” So there are many instances in our history. Just like Bhārata Mahārāja. He was young man, twenty-four years old, and emperor of the whole planet, young wife, king, everything. He left everything. Bhārata Mahārāja passed long, long ago. Buddha, Lord Buddha, he was also prince and very young, and he was surrounded with dancing girls. But as soon as he came out on the street, he saw one old man. “What is this?” “This is old man. Everyone has to become old like this.” So he became immediately converted to a saintly person. “I must go and meditate and realize myself. Why shall I become old?” [break] I accept a new opportunities to preach it from everything. That is my philosophy. And it has become successful. If I had taken this position from India… I was trying. IN INDIA ALSO, I TRIED. I WROTE MAHATMA GANDHI THAT “YOU ARE VERY RESPECTABLE MAN, AND PEOPLE LIKE YOU. YOU PREACH BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ. YOU STAND WITH YOUR PHOTOGRAPH. THERE IS BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ. WHY DON’T YOU PREACH BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ? NOW POLITICS IS FINISHED. YOU HAVE GOT INDEPENDENCE.” BUT THIS POLITICS IS SO SWEET TO THESE POLITICIANS, THAT UNTIL HE WAS KILLED, HE COULD NOT GIVE UP POLITICS, UNTIL HE WAS KILLED. HE WAS ADVOCATING NON-VIOLENCE, BUT HE WAS FORCED TO DIE BY VIOLENCE. HE WANTED HINDU-MUSLIM UNITY. HE WAS FORCED TO ACCEPT PARTITION OF INDIA. HE WAS SO MUCH BAFFLED, BUT STILL, HE WOULD NOT GIVE UP POLITICS UNTIL HE WAS KILLED. ON THE DAY OF HIS DEATH, IN THE MORNING, BECAUSE HE HAD SO MANY LETTERS, SO MANY SECRETARIES, SO HE SAID, “I AM VERY MUCH USELESS. I WANT TO DIE.” HE SAID LIKE THAT. AND ACTUALLY, IN THE EVENING HE WAS KILLED. HE WAS THINKING THAT “MY NEXT SOLACE IS ONLY DEATH,” BECAUSE HE COULD UNDERSTAND, “I HAVE CREATED SIMPLY PROBLEMS. NO PROBLEM I HAVE SOLVED. I HAVE SIMPLY CREATED PROBLEM.” HE WAS A SANE MAN. HE COULD UNDERSTAND IT. So similarly, everyone is creating simply problems, without solving… This United Nations, what they are doing for the last twenty years? Simply creating problems. So without Kṛṣṇa consciousness, there is no question of solving problems. That’s a fact.
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Morning Walk
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December 30, 1973, Los Angeles
Śrutakīrti: Morning Walk, December 30, 1973. [break]
Prajāpati: In this morning’s class you were giving us the example of the takeover of the kingship, of the brāhmaṇas getting rid of a bad king. So many times in the literature you’ve given us, whether Kṛṣṇa killing His uncle King Kaṁsa, or the Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira and Arjuna in the Battle of Kurukṣetra killing the old political regime that are demoniac consciousness. Is this the recommended means in Vedic literature for getting rid of bad government, or are there other means that are described, that one can get rid of demoniac government and take over with godly rulers?
Prabhupāda: WELL, IN POLITICS, UNLESS THERE IS VIOLENCE, YOU CANNOT TAKE. SIMPLY BY SWEET WORDS, NOT POSSIBLE. THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR POLITICAL LEADERS, MAHATMA GANDHI AND SUBHASH CHANDRA BOSE. So Subhash Chandra Bose was of opinion that—and that is a fact—that “You are agitating non-violence. These people will never care for your non-violence. Unless there is violence, so these Britishers will never go away.” So Gandhi would say, “No, I am not going to accept this violence theory. I shall continue.” So for thirty years… He started from 1917 and up to ’47, the Britishers did not go. But when Subhash Chandra Bose, he saw… He took the political power. He became the president. But Gandhi was angry. So because he was old leader, out of respect, he resigned the presidentship. Then he though that “So long this man will live, there will be no independence.” So he went out of India and joined with Hitler, and Tojo, Japanese.
Nitāi: Who went out of India?
Prabhupāda: This Subhash Chandra Bose. And he organized the INA, Indian National Army. So when this Indian National Army was organized and the Britishers… They were great politicians. They saw, “Now the army is going to national movement. We cannot be.” Then they left. Because it was not possible. They were maintaining British Empire with Indian money, Indian men. You see? They did not conquer by their British soldiers all round the Far East, Burma and the Mesopotamia, and the Egypt. That was Indian army, the Sikh soldiers and the Gurkha soldiers, and Indian money. On the pretext that “For Indian protection, we are maintaining this army.” Actually, they were expanding their empire. Africa, Burma. And when they saw that “India is lost,” voluntarily they liquidated all others. Went back… Back to home, back to Godhead. (devotees laugh) SO IN POLITICS THIS IS NONSENSE, NON-VIOLENCE. IT IS NONSENSE, COWARDISM. IN POLITICS IN SWEET WORDS YOU CANNOT GET. THERE MUST BE FIGHT, ARMS. THAT IS ARMY. “IF YOU DON’T AGREE, THEN FIST.” THAT IS POLITICS. THERE MUST BE VIOLENCE. OTHERWISE YOU CANNOT CONTROL. WHEN THERE IS EDUCATED GOOD MEN, THEN YOU CAN ARGUE. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ARE RUFFIANS, THERE IS NO QUESTION OF GOOD… ARGUMENTUM VACULUM, I TOLD YOU THE OTHER DAY… [BREAK] …IN THE BEGINNING OF CREATION, THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE DEMONS AND THE DEMIGODS, DEVĀSURA-YUDDHA. THAT IS ALWAYS THERE. IN THE EUROPEAN HISTORY, WITHOUT REVOLUTION, NO ORDER CHANGES. EVEN THE RUSSIAN REVOLUTION WAS THERE. FRENCH REVOLUTION WAS THERE. IN ENGLAND, CROMWELL? CROMWELL? CROMWELL REVOLUTION?
Nara-nārāyaṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: YES. SO WITHOUT REVOLUTION, (INDISTINCT), YOU CANNOT CHANGE OLD ORDER. “OLD ORDERS CHANGES GIVING PLACE TO NEW.” THAT OLD ORDER CHANGES… EVERYWHERE IT IS BY VIOLENCE. THE MAHĀBHĀRATA ALSO, THE BATTLE OF KURUKṢETRA. KṚṢṆA WAS THERE. HE TRIED TO SETTLE UP. BUT IT WAS NOT SETTLED WITHOUT VIOLENCE. PARITRĀṆĀYA… WHAT IS THAT? VINĀŚĀYA CA DUṢKṚTĀM. PARITRĀṆĀYA SĀDHŪNĀṀ VINĀŚĀYA CA DUṢKṚTĀM [BG. 4.8]. KṚṢṆA ALSO COMES, VINĀŚĀYA CA DUṢKṚTĀM, TO, FOR KILLING THE DEMONS. KṚṢṆA ALSO COMES.
Nalinīkaṇṭha: [break] …will be overthrown and replaced with God conscious beings.
Prabhupāda: NO. I AM NOT TALKING OF ANY GOVERNMENT. WE ARE NOT IN POLITICS. WE ARE TALKING OF PREACHING. Why? Why this government should you try to change. Where is the better replacement? First of all find out the better replacement. Then you talk of changing. Where is the better replacement? To replace one rascal with another, that is not… Now democratic government, if the people become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then naturally their leader will be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So automatically it will change. There is no question of violence. What is the use? Now, suppose by violence you become the president of the United States. Will you be able to do something?
Nalinīkaṇṭha: No.
Prabhupāda: Then what is the use? Because under democratic government, your order is not final. So if the people are demons, then what you will do? You cannot do anything. Therefore the people’s mentality, consciousness, should be changed by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. When they become God conscious, Kṛṣṇa conscious, they will select Kṛṣṇa conscious president. Then everything finished. Formerly people used to accept the king as the final authority, but at this present moment, that is not accepted. People must accept. Now it is people’s government. So unless people are God conscious, you cannot find good government. In comparison to other governments, your government is far better. People here (are) not starving.
Nalinīkaṇṭha: Yes, I have seen.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In other governments the people are starving. They have no food. That is the worst government. First necessity of life, that one must eat, one must have shelter, but other governments cannot even do that. But in your country, you have got enough food, enough shelter, everything is there. That consideration, your government is very nice government. Bare necessities of life must be supplied. Here the fault is extravagancy.
Nalinīkaṇṭha: Too much.
Prabhupāda: Too much, yes. Luxury leads to poverty. Too much luxury. Now it will deteriorate.
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Prabhupāda: That is explained in Bhāgavatam, apaśyatām ātma-tattvaṁ gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām [SB 2.1.2]. Those who are not seeing the position of spiritual, as the spirit soul, they are so much attached in this family life, worldly life, national life, (indistinct) material life, this life, that life. They are all false, but because he has no knowledge of the soul, he is attached to all these things. Apaśyatām ātma-tattvam [SB 2.1.2]. Ātma-tattvam means the science of soul. That he does not know; therefore he is attached, gṛheṣu gṛha-medhinām. These are different types of gṛha. Just like a man is not very much advanced in nationalism, he thinks “This my house is everything.” AND ONE WHO HAS DEVELOPED THAT LIKE GANDHI, HIS FAMILY LIFE DEVELOPED INTO NATIONALISM. SO THAT IS ALSO GṚHA. HE IS ASKING, I MEAN TO SAY, ENGLISHMAN, “GO AWAY! IT IS MINE.” BUT THAT MAHĀTMĀ, THAT GREATNESS IS SIMPLY EXPANDING BEYOND THE GṚHA. HE’S A STILL GṚHA-MEDHI. WE DON’T SAY LIKE THAT, “OH, YOU ENGLISHMAN, YOU CANNOT HAVE KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS.” SO THAT, THEREFORE, THOSE WHO ARE KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUS, THEY ARE MAHĀTMĀ. (INDISTINCT) THESE KIND OF MAHĀTMĀS, THEY ARE NOT MAHĀTMĀ, THEY ARE GṚHA-MEDHIS, BUT THEY HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE TITLE, FALSE TITLE. Just like in Bengali we say, the mother’s love is child, and the child is blind. Still, “Oh, my child’s eyes are just like lotus flower.” (greets guests) [break]
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So vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19] means Vāsudeva expands Himself in so many universes, so many planets, so many paraphernalia, still, He is in Goloka Vṛndāvana. That is stated in the Brahma-saṁhitā. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātmā bhuto [Bs. 5.37]. He is enjoying in His planet Goloka Vṛndāvana, and still, He is all-pervasive. mayā tatam idaṁ sarvam jagat avyakta-mūrtinā [Bg. 9.4].
So when one comes to this understanding that Kṛṣṇa, Vāsudeva, He keeps Himself intact although He is all-pervasive… Vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā sudurlabhaḥ [Bg. 7.19]. Mahātmā means great soul. JUST LIKE YOU HAVE HEARD THE NAME OF MAHATMA GANDHI IN OUR COUNTRY, BUT THE DEFINITION OF MAHĀTMĀ IN BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ IS DIFFERENT. A MAHĀTMĀ IS NOT A POLITICIAN. A MAHĀTMĀ IS NOT FOR THE INDIANS AND NOT FOR THE AMERICANS OR ANY CERTAIN LIMITED CIRCLE. MAHĀTMĀ IS NOT LIKE THAT. OF COURSE, THE INDIAN PEOPLE AWARDED THE TITLE “MAHATMA” GANDHI, BUT MAHĀTMĀ MEANS A DIFFERENT… MAHĀTMĀ’S DEFINITION IS GIVEN IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ. THERE IT IS STATED, MAHĀTMĀNAS TU MĀṀ PĀRTHA DAIVIṀ PRAKṚTIM ĀŚRITAḤ [BG. 9.13]. A MAHĀTMĀ IS UNDER THE SHELTER OF THE INTERNAL POTENCY OF GOD. There are two kinds of potencies. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. You should read Bhagavad-gītā very carefully. You’ll understand everything. Aparā and parā. These are stated. Bhūmir āpo ‘nalo vāyuḥ khaṁ mano buddhir eva ca… bhinnā me prakṛtir aṣṭadhā [Bg. 7.4]. The Lord said, material world, what is this material world? This material world is composition of earth, water, air, fire, ether. And this is gross element, gross ingredients. But there are finer, subtle ingredients, mind, intelligence, ego. So these eight gross and fine elements which is the material world, that is expressed in the Bhagavad-gītā that bhinnā me prakṛti aṣṭadhā, “These eight kinds of prakṛti, nature, is my separated inferior energy.” Apareyam, this is inferior. They are inferior. Itas tv anya me prakṛtiṁ parā. Besides these eight elements, there is another prakṛti, another nature, which is superior. And what is that? We can see earth, water, fire, air, and, of course, mind we can feel, intelligence we can feel, ego also we can feel. There is feeling, although we cannot see because they are subtle. And what about the other? That is expressed in the Bhagavad-gītā, jīva bhūtāṁ mahā-bāho [Bg. 7.5], “My dear Arjuna, they are these living entity.” Some of the nonsense philosophers, they are identifying the soul with the mind, with intelligence, with ego, but they are all material. The soul is different. So this is daivī prakṛti, spiritual nature. The material nature and spiritual nature.
SO MAHĀTMĀ MEANS, MAHĀTMĀNAS TU MĀṀ PĀRTHA DAIVĪṀ PRAKṚTIM ĀŚRITAḤ [BG. 9.13]. MAHĀTMĀS, THOSE WHO ARE MAHĀTMĀ, THEY TAKE SHELTER OF THE SPIRITUAL NATURE, AND THOSE WHO ARE DURĀTMĀ OR KŚŪDRĀTMĀ… MAHĀ MEANS GREAT, AND JUST OPPOSITE TO MAHĀ MEANS, OPPOSITE TO MAHĀ IS KŚŪDRA, SMALL. JUST LIKE SOMEBODY IS VERY LIBERAL AND SOMEBODY IS VERY MISER. SO MAHĀTMĀ IS BROAD, BROADER-MINDED, BROADER SOUL, WHOSE SOUL HAS BECOME BROADER. How you can become broader? If you dovetail yourself with the supreme broadest, then you become broader. Otherwise you become smaller. So this is the difference between mahātmā and kśūdrātmā. People are generally, they are doing something for his own body, something for his society, something for his family, something for his country. So you can expand your activities, but unless you expand your activities to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, you become the smaller. So,
mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha
daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritaḥ
bhajanty-ananya manaso
(jñātvā bhūtādim avyayam)
[Bg. 9.13]
So mahātmā means Kṛṣṇa conscious, who is unalloyedly attached to the loving transcendental service of Kṛṣṇa. Bhajanti mām ananya manaso, this is the definition of mahātmā. Anyone who is cent percent engaged in the service of Kṛṣṇa, he is mahātmā. Not by stamping, that “You are mahātmā, I am mahātmā.” No. This is the definition of mahātmā. Mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritaḥ [Bg. 9.13]. Daivī prakṛti means they are no more interested with this material world. They are interested with the spiritual energy. Because we are spiritual energy. We are… The same energy, we are seeking after the same energy. Just like water can mix with water. Oil cannot mix with water. If you put a drop of oil with water, the oil will remain separate. But if you put a drop of water with water, immediately mixes. Similarly we are spirit soul. As soon as we are in the spiritual world, in spiritual activities, then we are one. There is no discordance. There is no opposing elements. But so long we exist in the material world, everything opposing. Everything opposing. Therefore it is struggle. Struggle for existence. Suppose if you are thrown into the sea, however expert swimmer you may be, it is struggle. It is struggle for existence. But if you are on the land, there is no such struggle. You live natural life. Similarly, mahātmā, those who have become broader by Kṛṣṇa consciousness, by surrendering unto Kṛṣṇa after many, many births… Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante [Bg. 7.19]. Ante means after. Janma means birth. And fully understanding that everything is Kṛṣṇa, everything is display of Kṛṣṇa’s energy.
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JUST LIKE IN OUR COUNTRY WE HAVE SEEN THE MAHATMA GANDHI WAS GIVEN THE TITLE MAHĀTMĀ. YOU CAN GIVE YOUR, ANY TITLE. NOBODY OBJECTS. JUST LIKE IN BENGALI WE SAY KĀNĀ-LOCANA NYĀYA PADMA-LOCANA(?). PADMA-LOCANA MEANS VERY BEAUTIFUL, LOTUS-EYED. BUT ONE MOTHER HAS GOT A CHILD WHO IS BORN BLIND. OUT OF HER LOVE SHE HAS GIVEN THE NAME PADMA-LOCANA, “LOTUS-EYED.” YOU SEE? SO THAT SHE CAN GIVE BECAUSE SHE LOVES THE CHILD. EVEN HE IS BLIND, THAT’S HER WHIM. “My boy, my child is padma-locana.” Similarly, this “mahātmā,” this title you can give to any person you like, BUT IT HAS A MEANING, “MAHĀTMĀ.”
SO THAT MEANING, “MAHĀTMĀ,” IS EXPLAINED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GĪTĀ. MAHĀTMĀNAS TU MĀṀ PĀRTHA DAIVĪṀ PRAKṚTIM ĀŚRITĀḤ [BG. 9.13]. MAHĀTMĀ MEANS WHO IS NOT UNDER THE MATERIAL ENERGY, BUT HE IS UNDER THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY. AND WHAT IS THE SYMPTOM THAT ONE IS UNDER THE SPIRITUAL ENERGY? THAT HE HAS NO OTHER BUSINESS EXCEPT EXECUTING KṚṢṆA CONSCIOUSNESS. THAT’S ALL. THAT IS THE SYMPTOM.
mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha
daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ
bhajanty ananya-manaso
jñātvā bhūtādim avyayam
[Bg. 9.13]
He has no other business except Kṛṣṇa. That is mahātmā. That is explained in the Bhagavad… So we, the people gave a title, this Gandhi, a politician. His business was how to get independence politically. He was given the title mahātmā. So this mahātmā, when there was meeting, hundreds of thousand people gathered. But no… Actually, there are persons in India who are called sādhus, sādhu-samāja. A great number. Not, I mean to say, a small number. They are three million in India still. There is statistics. Three millions persons who are in renounced order of… Sādhu, they are called sādhu. They do not come. So these three millions mahātmās, those who are engaged, they may be, some of them may be impersonalists, some of them may be yogis, some of them are devotees. That doesn’t matter, because they are also engaged in understanding the Absolute Truth. The impersonalist, they’re in the beginning stage, but they are not materialists. They are not materialists. They are trying to understand the Absolute Truth. They cannot accommodate the Absolute Truth, the Supreme, can be a person. That is their less intelligence. But they are engaged in searching out. Similarly, yogis… Real yogis, not these fat-reducing yogis. I mean to say… (laughter) Real yogis. They are concerned with understanding the Supersoul, Paramātmā. And devotees, they are engaged in serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
So all of them are searching about the… Devotees, they have finished their searching. They have found out the real truth. Īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ [Bs. 5.1], the Supreme. SO IT IS A QUESTION OF DEGREES OF SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING. SO THERE ARE THREE MILLION SERIOUS SĀDHUS IN INDIA. NONE OF THEM EVER ATTENDED SUCH MAHATMA GANDHI’S MEETING, NEITHER THEY INVITED MAHATMA GANDHI. NO. THEY NEVER NEVER RECOGNIZED, RECOGNIZED. BECAUSE WHAT THEY HAVE GOT TO DO WITH THESE POLITICAL AFFAIRS? JUST LIKE… THEY KNOW, THIS IS THE BUSINESS OF THE CROWS. THE CROWS WILL TAKE INTEREST IN SUCH MEETING. PUNAḤ PUNAŚ CARVITA-CARVAṆĀNĀM [SB 7.5.30]. WHAT THESE POLITICIANS WILL DO? THEY’LL SIMPLY MAKE PLAN. THAT’S ALL. HITLER WILL MAKE ONE PLAN, MUSSOLINI WILL MAKE ONE PLAN, CHURCHILL WILL MAKE ANOTHER PLAN. YOUR ROOSEVELT WILL MAKE ANOTHER PLAN, GANDHI WILL MAKE ANOTHER. SIMPLY PLANMAKING BUSINESS. THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO BRING ANY PEACE AND PROSPERITY IN THE WORLD. THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE. BECAUSE IT IS UNDER THE GRIP OF MĀYĀ. THEY DO NOT KNOW. THE PEACE AND PROSPERITY MEANS SURRENDER TO KṚṢṆA. THEN YOU BECOME OUT OF THE CLUTCHES OF MĀYĀ. THAT SECRET THEY DO NOT KNOW. THEY’RE SIMPLY MAKING PLANS. THAT’S ALL. SO PLANMAKING, WILL ALWAYS BE FRUSTRATED. SO SIMPLY AGITATION; IT HAS NO MEANING. THEREFORE THOSE WHO ARE TRANSCENDENTALISTS, THEY KNOW, THIS IS CROW’S MEETING. SOMETIMES, YOU HAVE NOT SEEN, CROWS MEETING. KAW KAW KAW KAW KAW KAW KAW. THEY ARE PASSING RESOLUTION. YOU SEE? (LAUGHTER) You have seen crow’s meeting?
Kīrtanānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: They have also meeting, crow’s meeting. If you kill one crow, you’ll see thousands of crows will come and hold their meeting: “Oh, one crow is dead by the human being. We shall…” And if the man is detected, this man has killed, these crows will, I mean to say, hurt the head of that man. They’ll come in flocks. Yes. I have seen in India. Yes. They sometimes attack. So they have got also their own defensive measure. The crow’s meeting.
Note: below there is link to connect to article on Vivekananda which shows the man was HODGE-PODGE just like Gandhi. But still they are worshiped by some political elements in India.
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Prabhupāda: Just see how rascal they are. MY GURU MAHĀRĀJA EVERY STEP CONDEMNED THIS RAMAKRISHNA MISSION AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY THAT IF THERE ARE ANY IMPEDIMENTS FOR OUR MOVEMENT, THAT IS THIS GANDHI AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY. HODGE-PODGE. GANDHI’S ALSO HODGE-PODGE. HE WAS A POLITICIAN, AND IN POLITICS HE MIXED SOME SPIRITUAL IDEAS, HODGE-PODGE. AND THIS VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO POLITICIAN. HIS NAME WAS RECORDED IN THE GOVERNMENT AS “SANNYĀSĪ-POLITICIAN.” Because after returning from America, he began to preach to make the poor man rich, and these weak, fatty, and so on, exercise. So the government took it that he’s, under the dress of a sannyāsī, he’s preaching social and political upliftment. So his name was recorded as “sannyāsī-politician.” And his name was also recorded, “political saint,” Gandhi. After all, the British government, they were very intelligent. They could understand what is what. Otherwise, how they were managing this big empire? Very intelligent, there is no doubt about it. And actually they were intelligent. When they were managing, we were happy, actually. Nobody can deny it. Although they were exploiting. But nobody could understand. Everyone was feeling happy. And as soon as they left, everyone is unhappy. That distinction I can give evidence, I can, from my personal experience. Things were very, very nice. Calcutta, oh, it was so nice city. Now it is hell. It is same Calcutta. Why it is now hell? Hidden(?) garden, that was a nice garden. So… Everywhere hell, only hell. Calcutta was considered the nicest city in India, better than Bombay, but it has become now hell. The streets, especially those quarters in our temple.
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VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO NOT EVEN INTELLIGENT MAN BECAUSE HE ACCEPTED RAMAKRSNA AS INCARNATION OF GOD
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Gandhi was an instrument of Jew Rothschilds ‘Divide and Rule’ policy, which culminated in partition. He was homosexual pervert (who also molestered and slept with young girls), a traitor to his own people, a fraud, a hypocrite (passification in the name of ”peace”) and a puppet. Now India has a similar Jew Rothschild, homosexual puppet “leader” Modi…..The plunder continues!
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The British Stooge: Gandhi and his Dandi The Father of Our Democratic Nation, it’s a sin for anyone in India to say in Public that I Hate Gandhi, as i do know how the Secularists and the Media will tear me apart moreover the Government will sue me for defaming Nation’s father.
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Prabhupāda: No, no, alternative, that alternative will not correct. That is the defect of Gandhi’s movement. He is supposed to be reading Bhagavad-gītā, but he has never said, recommended, Kṛṣṇa worship. That is the defect of his education. Rather, he denied the existence of Kṛṣṇa. “I don’t believe if any person as Kṛṣṇa ever lived.” This is his concept. Gandhi has written in his life that while his father was dying he was enjoying sex with his wife. You know that?
Indian man (2): Gandhiji?
Prabhupāda: Yes, he has written it.
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This Bhagavad-gītā, if you study minutely—this is the science of God—you will see God, you will see Kṛṣṇa, and you will understand everything. Therefore we are present…
But if you misinterpret, if you pollute it by your own interpretation, then you will not see. These rascals, they are simply polluting. Because they are not coming in paramparā system, everyone is trying to become a very learned scholar, very learned leader, but they are rascals. Actually they are rascals because they cannot see. Recently, what was the Gandhi’s statement? That “I do not believe that there was Kṛṣṇa ever lived.” That’s it, “ever lived. Kṛṣṇa is of my imagination.” He said like that. This is going on. All the ācāryas, they accepted. Arjuna accepted Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Person. Sarvam etad ṛtaṁ manye yad vadasi keśava: [Bg. 10.14] “Your personality, nobody can understand.” There is person before him, and he is such a big man. He says that “It is imagination.” This is going on. If… Science should be as other such study. Two plus two, mathematic calculation, that is four. You cannot say it is five or three by interpretation or by imagination. Two plus two is equal to four. You accept or not accept; that is a different thing. So it is a science. You have to accept according to the direction given. Then you will have this real thing.
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Prabhupāda: Yes. Because there have been so many. Just like Bhagavad-gītā, it is standard book. The so-called spiritual leaders, they give different interpretation. Why different interpretation? One interpretation is there. Anyone can understand. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru [Bg. 18.65]. It is plain thing, Kṛṣṇa says that “You always think of Me.” Man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ. “You become My devotee, you just worship Me, offer your obeisance.” And Dr. Radhakrishnan says, “It is not to Kṛṣṇa personally.” What right he has got to say like that? Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava. Dr. Radhakrishnan says, “It is not to Kṛṣṇa.” This is going on. Just see. He is scholar, he is a philosopher. Even Gandhi says that “There was no Kṛṣṇa; it is all mythology.” Then? How people will learn it? If Kṛṣṇa becomes mythology, the Bhagavad-gītā becomes imagination and anyone can interpret in any way. Then where is the teaching?
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Prabhupāda: Anyways, these rascals, we have to deal with these rascals. Whatever little service they can give us. Even Gandhi was of opinion that “There was no Kṛṣṇa, there was no battle of Kurukṣetra. It is imagination.”
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Such a person, such a big, who is estimated as very, very big person, Mahatma Gandhi, he could not understand Kṛṣṇa. From his writing we see. He said, “I don’t believe that there was any person Kṛṣṇa living ever.” Just see. He could not understand. Similarly, Dr. Radhakrishnan, Tilak, so many big, big scholars, they have written comment on Bhagavad-gītā, but they, still they have proved that they’re rascal number one. Because they did not follow the process of understanding Kṛṣṇa, therefore they could not understand. And here even a child, our Śyāmasundara’s daughter, (s)he used to go to somebody and ask him, “Do you know what is Kṛṣṇa?” He says, “No, I do not know.” “He’s the Supreme Personality of Godhead.” Just see. And all these boys and children, they are learning so easily Kṛṣṇa, and a person like Mahatma Gandhi, he said that, something different. You see? Just see. This is the position.
So you have to follow the authoritative principles by the paramparā system. Yasya deve parā bhaktir yathā deve tathā gurau [ŚU 6.23]. If you have got faith in God, Kṛṣṇa, and similar faith in the spiritual master and follow his instruction, then you will understand Kṛṣṇa in His different features: jyoti, bhagavān, and sarva-bhūta-guhāvāsam. He is the brahmajyoti just like the sunshine, and He is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa, and He is the Supersoul, Paramātmā, in everyone’s heart. The process is tapasaiva, a little tapasya. So whatever little tapasya we have prescribed, you follow. You will understand Kṛṣṇa. And if you understand Kṛṣṇa, then your life is successful.
Thank you very much. (end)
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Satsvarūpa: Now Gargamuni says a new book has come out about Gandhi, telling things about Gandhi that are shocking.
Prabhupāda: Gandhi was actually very sexually inclined. In his autobiography he was written that when his father was dying, he was having sex with his wife. After finishing sex with his wife, then he came to see his dead father. He has admitted. And his association with his granddaughters, granddaughter-in-law, that is also this… A new book has come out?
Satsvarūpa: Yes. He says it tells about that even after he pledged to be brahmacārī he traveled with some young girl.
Prabhupāda: No, even when he was old man and leader he would go, keeping, resting his hand on two young girls. That means he was very fond of sex. There is no doubt about it. What business he…? He is speaking of “Mahatma” Gandhi. He could not get the help of two young men? Why two young girls?
Gandhi was given the name “Mahatma” by Annie Besant of The (Satanic Freemason) Theosophical Society which was created by Satanic lesbian, Helena Blavatsky. Besant took over the Theosophical Society upon the demise of Blavatsky. Besant and Gandhi were both members of the Freemason Illuminati UR Lodge of ‘Thomas Paine’ (USA) together with others such as Guiseppe Garibaldi (Italian Rothschild agent who brought together Italy), Emmeline Pankhurst (suffragette), Virginia Woolf (novelist), William E Gladstone (UK politician). Gandhi was also a member of the Freemason Lodge of ‘Arjuna Phoenix’ (India), who’s members are mainly from India (but also Africa and the western world).
It is no surprise that a rascal and sexual deviant like Gandhi who was an agent of Jew Rothschild, who was also a member of Satanic Freemasonry Lodges and also a traitor would be given this title “Mahatma” from a fellow Satanist Annie Besant. What a joke and an insult! and they call this guy “The Father of India!” …..ludicrous! Indian “Independence” is just a myth (Just like American independence).
India is STILL controlled by Britain and Rothschilds (and the Common”wealth”) and its “Banking System” all owned by Rothschilds ‘FEDERAL RESERVE BANK” (as is every country in the world except Syria, Iran, Nth Korea and Libya).
Hare Krsna Mahesh prabhu,
We know there are many (one in particular) so-called sannyasis in FISKCON, who are addicted to as Srila Prabhupada states…..
“resting his hand on two young girls. That means he was very fond of sex. There is no doubt about it.”
Yfs, Balaram das.
Hare Krsna! Balaram Prabhu,
Correct- this act of resting hands on young girls is display of LUST. And these bogus so-called sannyasis of FISKCON are CAUGHT in the act – there are videos, photos. What the mind thinks the senses act.
They are SEX-yasis and SIN-yasis NOT sannyasis.
Dear Mahesh Prabhu,
And at present there are at least 27 ‘wanna-bes’ on the sin-yasis waiting list.
Srila Prabhupada: Jan 7 1977 Bombay conversation…
“…This should be strictly outlawed, no more sannyāsīs. And those sannyāsīs who have fallen, you get them married, live like a… No more this showbottle, cheating. It is very ludicrous. Even there is a promise that “We shall not fall down again,” that is also not believable. What is the use? Better go and speak philosophy in your gṛhastha dress, not this dress, but you have nice coat, pants, gentleman. Who says no? I never said. Rather I shall be glad to see that up-to-date gentlemen with tilaka and śikhā are speaking. That is very prestigious everywhere. Why this false dress? What is the wrong to become gṛhastha? I was gṛhastha, pākā caliber gṛhastha. My Guru Mahārāja was brahmacārī, This is ever… Just see his character. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was gṛhastha, but when He took sannyāsa: “Oh, I am now…” For sober person. That is wanted. That is ideal. He married twice. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura married twice. Caitanya Mahāprabhu married twice. What is the wrong there? One has to become pure devotee, that’s all. Other things, of course, are circumstantially favorable, either a gṛhastha, brahmacārī or vānaprastha or sannyāsa. Kibā vipra kibā śūdra nyāsī kene naya, yei kṛṣṇa-tattva-vettā sei ‘guru’ haya [Cc. Madhya 8.128]. You must know the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That makes you guru, not this dress….”
Yfs, Bal.
Satanic pervert Prince Charles is the reincarnation of Gandhi.
Hare Krsna
Why are these things said about Gandhi here ?
“It is no surprise that a rascal and sexual deviant like Gandhi who was an agent ….”
“Satanic pervert?”
Srila Prabhupada did not say such things:
Guest (1): So you think he has gone to heaven or some, what is his position?
Prabhupada: NO… BUT BECAUSE HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND RAMA, THEREFORE HE CANNOT GO TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. BUT HE’LL GET VERY HIGH POSITION.
Guest (1): High position.
Prabhupada: OH, YES. HE MAY GO TO THE HEAVENLY PLANET
Hare Krsna
Like Ajamila, Gandhi spoke one of the names of God (in this case ‘Rama’), at the time of death, so for this reason Srila Prabhupada mentions that he “may” take birth in some heavenly planet. Though Srila Prabhupada did not say that ‘for certain’ he would be liberated to the heavenly realm.
Like Ajamila, Gandhi committed some very abominable, sinful activities…..he was Jew Satanist Rothschild’s stooge, he was a traitor, he was a Satanist Freemason, he was a practicing homosexual, he was a hypocrite (urging the Indians to fight for the British in WW2) and a pervert (sleeping with young girls). Rothschilds ‘created’ Gandhi and all of his ‘railway station’ speeches, and meetings were all funded (rent a crowd) by Rothschilds press (AP/Reuters). Gandhi was given the name “Mahatma” by Satanist, Annie Besant (Theosophical Society), so this is not Dharma but Adharma. Gandhi was no Mahatma but a politician, and a traitor as he was the stooge of Rothschilds and The British Crown and it was their plan to use Gandhi to ”create divide and rule” by the creation of “partition”.
Modi (India) is also a vassal of Rothschilds as is Imran Khan (Pakistan). By ‘divide and rule’ Rothschild’s have controlled and enslaved both countries. If India wants to go against Satanist Jew Rothschild’s plundering of it’s banking economy then it can use Pakistan to “bring it back into line” (and vise-versa) by pouring money into Pakistan’s military, or UN sanctions, false flag terrorism etc etc. This is the nature of politics. This idea that India is “Independent” is just a myth to achieve the stupification and “passification” of the population of mainly sudras (who will believe any nonsense they are told!).
Varnashrama mean that as Brahmanas, one has to understand the “political dynamic” as well, as the Kshatriyas are an integral part of Varnashrama Dharma. The Satanic Demons who control the Banks, Governments, Media, Military, Corporations, and “Education System” have created (and continually create) fictions, false history and today’s false news, to make ”heroes” out of persons like Gandhi so they can continue their parasitic hegemony of plundering, pillaging and slavery.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari: Like Ajamila, Gandhi spoke one of the names of God (in this case ‘Rama’), at the time of death, so for this reason Srila Prabhupada mentions that he “may” take birth in some heavenly planet. Though Srila Prabhupada did not say that ‘for certain’ he would be liberated to the heavenly realm.
Mahesh: there is a BIG difference between Ajimila and Gandhi. Ajamila was a DEVOTEE and chanted the Holy name WITHOUT OFFENSES hence he could go to Vaikuntha. Gandhi was NOT a devotee; his RAMA chanting was for POLITICAL propaganda purpose this was OFFENSIVE chanting:
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Previously, when engaged in sinful activities to maintain his family, AJAMILA CHANTED THE NAME OF NARAYANA WITHOUT OFFENSES. TO CHANT THE HOLY NAME OF THE LORD JUST TO COUNTERACT ONE’S SINFUL ACTIVITIES, OR TO COMMIT SINFUL ACTIVITIES ON THE STRENGTH OF CHANTING THE HOLY NAME, IS OFFENSIVE (NAMNO BALAD YASYA HI PAPA-BUDDHIH). BUT ALTHOUGH AJAMILA ENGAGED IN SINFUL ACTIVITIES, HE NEVER CHANTED THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA TO COUNTERACT THEM; HE SIMPLY CHANTED THE NAME NARAYANA TO CALL HIS SON. Therefore his chanting was effective. BECAUSE OF CHANTING THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA IN THIS WAY, HE HAD ALREADY VANQUISHED THE ACCUMULATED SINFUL REACTIONS OF MANY, MANY LIVES. In the beginning he was pure, but although he later committed many sinful acts, HE WAS OFFENSELESS BECAUSE HE DID NOT CHANT THE HOLY NAME OF NARAYANA TO COUNTERACT THEM. One who always chants the holy name of the Lord without offenses is always pure. AS CONFIRMED IN THIS VERSE AJAMILA WAS ALREADY SINLESS, AND BECAUSE HE CHANTED THE NAME OF NARAYANA HE REMAINED SINLESS. IT DID NOT MATTER THAT HE WAS CALLING HIS SON; THE NAME ITSELF WAS EFFECTIVE.
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If you do not practice from the very beginning, it is not possible. ANTE NARAYANA-SMRTIH. IT IS SAID THAT THE GREATEST SUCCESS OF LIFE IS AT THE TIME OF (DEATH) REMEMBERING NARAYANA, ANTE NARAYANA-SMRTIH. JUST LIKE AJAMILA. He, at the end of his life, REMEMBERED Narayana. So this is success. But this can be possible if we practice from the very beginning. AJAMILA, FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS A BRAHMACARI, BRAHMANA, VERY WELL BEHAVED BRAHMANA, LEARNED EVERYTHING, BUT DUE TO BAD ASSOCIATION HE FELL DOWN. BUT KRSNA GAVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY, KRSNA SAYS IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA, NA ME BHAKTA PRANASYATI. IF ONCE ONE HAS SINCERELY BECOME THE PURE DEVOTEE OF KRSNA, THAT WILL NEVER GO IN VAIN. So Krsna saw this Ajamila in his childhood and boyhood and youthhood a devotee, so He gave him the chance. At last, he had ten sons. The tenth son was named as Narayana. THIS IS KRSNA’S POLICY, THAT “THIS RASCAL IS FORGETTING ME, SO I’LL GIVE HIM A CHILD WHOSE NAME IS NARAYANA.” SO, WITH REFERENCE TO HIS SON, HE WAS CHANTING “NARAYANA.” “NARAYANA, PLEASE COME HERE, MY DEAR SON. NARAYANA, PLEASE TAKE THIS FOOD.” SO IN THIS WAY, HIS ACCOUNT WAS BEING CREDITED, “NARAYANA, NARAYANA, NARAYANA.” YOU SEE? SO THEREFORE HE GOT THE SALVATION. SIMILARLY, IF WE SIMPLY CHANT HARE KRSNA AND FOLLOW THESE PRINCIPLES, OUR LIFE IS SUCCESSFUL. THIS IS CALLED AJNATA-SUKRTI. WE HAVE TO ACQUIRE SUKRTI. SUKRTI MEANS PIOUS ACTIVITIES. Su means pious and krti means activities. Sukrtino ‘rjuna. Catur-vidha bhajante mam janah sukrtino ‘rjuna. Arjuna… Those who are sukrtina, means one’s background is pious, they begin bhajana, Krsna consciousness. Catur-vidha bhajante mam janah sukrtino ‘rjuna. Arto, artharthi, jnani, jijnasur. Four kinds of men–arto, the one who is distressed, and artharthi, one who is poor, wants some money. Jnani–one who wants to know what is God; jijnasur–inquisitive. Such persons, if his background is piety, sukrtina, then he begins bhajana.
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Such a person, such a big, who is estimated as very, very big person, Mahatma Gandhi, he could not understand Kṛṣṇa. From his writing we see. He said, “I don’t believe that there was any person Kṛṣṇa living ever.” Just see. He could not understand.
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Yes! Mahesh Raja Prabhu, I agree there is a BIG difference between Gandhi and Ajamila.
Sudarsana Prabhu says ;
” Like Ajamila, Gandhi spoke one of the names of God (in this case ‘Rama’), at the time of death ……………… ”
Indeed, Ajamila called out loud one of his sons’ name of Narayana as per Sastras which we believe and agreed to it BUT no body is certain if Gandhi did speak the name of God RAM at the time of leaving his body because there is no such proof.
Giving the benefit of doubt,even if he did, then, perhaps HDG. Srila Prabhupada must have spoken something very different similar to Ajamila’s death as described in the Sastras NOT what it is actually quoted here all through the discussion under reference. Isn’t it ?
Therefore, it looks like to me that Gandhi did not utter the name of Ram at the time of leaving his body. It is simply added by the Historian as per my little known understanding the facts based on his real life history. Mind you, I stand to be corrected.
What ever HDG Srila Prabhupada said about Gandhi is based upon his activities performed during his life time. It is that simple. There is no doubt about it.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Note: Gandhi may go to heavenly planet BUT this is NOT eternal situation:
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Guest (1): So you think he has gone to heaven or some, what is his position?
Prabhupada: NO… BUT BECAUSE HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND RAMA, THEREFORE HE CANNOT GO TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD. BUT HE’LL GET VERY HIGH POSITION.
Guest (1): High position.
Prabhupada: OH, YES. HE MAY GO TO THE HEAVENLY PLANET
Note: Gandhi MUST have to COME BACK to this planet when the results of his pious acts are exhausted :
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tatas te kṣīṇa-sukṛtāḥ
punar lokam imaṁ sati
patanti vivaśā devaiḥ
sadyo vibhraṁśitodayāḥ
SYNONYMS
tataḥ—then; te—they; kṣīṇa—exhausted; su-kṛtāḥ—results of their pious activities; punaḥ—again; lokam imam—to this planet; sati—O virtuous mother; patanti—fall; vivaśāḥ—helpless; devaiḥ—by higher arrangement; sadyaḥ—suddenly; vibhraṁśita—caused to fall; udayāḥ—their prosperity.
TRANSLATION
When the results of their pious activities are exhausted, they fall down by higher arrangement and again come back to this planet, just as any person raised to a high position sometimes all of a sudden falls.
PURPORT
It is sometimes found that a person elevated to a very high position in government service falls down all of a sudden, and no one can check him. Similarly, after finishing their period of enjoyment, foolish persons who are very much interested in being elevated to the position of president in higher planets also fall down to this planet. The distinction between the elevated position of a devotee and that of an ordinary person attracted to fruitive activities is that when a devotee is elevated to the spiritual kingdom he never falls down, whereas an ordinary person falls, even if he is elevated to the highest planetary system, Brahmaloka. It is confirmed in Bhagavad-gītā (ābrahma-bhuvanāl lokāḥ) that even if one is elevated to a higher planet, he has to come down again. But Kṛṣṇa confirms in Bhagavad-gītā (8.16), mām upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate: “Anyone who attains My abode never comes back to this conditioned life of material existence.”
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Note: Gandhi was full of LUST: “That means he was very fond of sex. There is NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.”
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Prabhupāda: No, even when he was old man and leader he would go, keeping, resting his hand on two young girls. That means he was very fond of sex. There is no doubt about it. What business he…? He is speaking of “Mahatma” Gandhi. He could not get the help of two young men? Why two young girls?
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Prabhupāda: Just see how rascal they are. MY GURU MAHĀRĀJA EVERY STEP CONDEMNED THIS RAMAKRISHNA MISSION AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY THAT IF THERE ARE ANY IMPEDIMENTS FOR OUR MOVEMENT, THAT IS THIS GANDHI AND VIVEKANANDA. HE SAID FRANKLY. HODGE-PODGE. GANDHI’S ALSO HODGE-PODGE. HE WAS A POLITICIAN, AND IN POLITICS HE MIXED SOME SPIRITUAL IDEAS, HODGE-PODGE. AND THIS VIVEKANANDA WAS ALSO POLITICIAN. HIS NAME WAS RECORDED IN THE GOVERNMENT AS “SANNYĀSĪ-POLITICIAN.”
Note : GANDHI RASCAL ,VIVEKANANDA RASCAL, AUROBINDO RASCAL.
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Devotee (2): They say that their priests tell them, “You just listen to me and forget about the Bible.”
Prabhupāda: And who are you? Then I can say also, “You hear me. Forget about Bible.” Anyone can say. Why the priest? Where from the priest has come? Has he dropped from the sky? (laughter) That’s it. Everyone can say, “My dear priest, you hear me. Don’t talk of yourself. You hear me.” Everyone can say. Then? How things will be adjusted? The priest is also a man; I am also man. If he can say like that, I can say like that. Then who will make adjustment? Who is correct? Hm? How it will be adjusted? If everyone will propose something, and who will say, “Now, out of so many proposals, this is correct.” That means chaotic condition. If everyone says, “What I say, you hear.” Then who will hear? Everyone will say only. Who will hear? That is going on actually. And RASCAL Vivekananda says, “Everyone’s opinion is good.”
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Yathā mat tathā path.
Prabhupāda: Yathā mat tathā path. This is going on. Everyone will say something, and it is all right. However nonsense it may be, it is all right. Even Gandhi followed that philosophy. Therefore he invented one, another philosophy, nonviolence, which is impossible. When Hindus approached him, that “You have got so much influence over the Mohammedans, so why not stop cow killing?” he said, “It is their religious principle. How can I interfere?” Just see.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Kṛṣi-go-rakṣya. Kṛṣṇa orders in Bhagavad-gītā, go-rakṣya.
Prabhupāda: And he is considered to be a great scholar in Bhagavad-gītā, and when cow protection was requested, he said that “How can I do it? It is their religious principle.” And he is a great big scholar in Bhagavad-gītā. All nonsense, going on. WHOLE WORLD IS FULL OF NONSENSE, MŪḌHAS, BEGINNING FROM GANDHI TO ANY RASCAL, ALL OF THEM, RASCALS. PERHAPS IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE ARE DETECTING, “HERE ARE ALL RASCALS.” IT IS FIRST TIME. THEN WE ARE ENEMY OF EVERYONE. WE CALL EVERYONE RASCAL-GANDHI RASCAL, VIVEKANANDA RASCAL, AUROBINDO RASCAL. SO ACTUALLY THEY ARE, BUT PEOPLE ARE THINKING, “THESE PEOPLE SAY ALL BIG, BIG MEN RASCALS? THEREFORE THEY ARE RASCALS.”
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Prabhupāda: No, even when he was old man and leader he would go, keeping,resting his hand on two young girls. That means he was very fond of sex. There is no doubt about it. What business he…? He is speaking of “Mahatma” Gandhi. He could not get the help of two young men? Why two young girls?
Note: here are Gandhi photos with the young girls: “resting his hand on two young girls. That means he was very fond of sex. There is no doubt about it”:
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Hare Krsna,
Mahatma Gandhi was not an agent “but he also committed so many mistakes”
This is the difference between material life and spiritual life. When one works for his own sense gratification, that is material life. And when works for Kṛṣṇa’s satisfaction, that is spiritual life. That is spiritual life. It is very easy to understand. We are working, we are servant of somebody. All these people who have gathered here, nobody can claim that “I am not servant.” Everyone is servant—servant of the society, servant of the family, servant of the country, servant of dog, servant of cat. Everyone is servant. That is misplacement. But actually he is servant of Kṛṣṇa. When he forgets that he is servant of Kṛṣṇa, he becomes servant of so many māyā. But when he understands that “I am servant of Kṛṣṇa, and, becoming servant of Kṛṣṇa, I can become servant of others also,” that is called Kṛṣṇa consciousness. This is the movement of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Everyone is a servant, but he is serving wrongly. His service is misplaced. We are simply educating people that “Your service being misplaced; therefore you are not satisfied, neither your master is satisfied. Nobody’s satisfied.” For example… I have repeated this example many times.
Even Mahatma Gandhi, the great servant of India He served India so nicely. Still, the master was not satisfied, and the master killed him. He wanted to serve his country, but the result was that his countrymen killed him.
(Bhagavad-gītā 7.5 — Bombay, February 20, 1974)
You are imperfect. Your senses are imperfect. You are defective in four ways. You are… To err is human. You must commit mistake. You must be illusioned. Your senses are imperfect, and you have got a cheating propensity. These four defects are there. Those who are not liberated, mukta-puruṣa, they have got four defects. What is that? He must commit mistake. Just like we can give you instance: Our Mahatma Gandhi, he was so great personality, but he also committed so many mistakes. Even on the day of his death, it is heard that he was forbidden not to go the meeting. The other persons, they scented some danger, but he forcibly went there and he was killed. So mistake, committing mistake. To err is human. That is not fault. That is our habit. We commit mistake. And we also, we are illusioned. Illusioned. Just like I am not this body. I am spirit soul.
(Bhagavad-gītā 2.13—Hyderabad, November 19, 1972)
Hare Krsna
Gandhi preached ahimsa and non-violence.
Gandhi and BR Ambedkar (both Freemason Rothschilds agents) were used to recruit Indian (dalit) soldiers for WW1 (1.3 millions) and WW2 (2.5 Millions).
Gandhi preached ahimsa and non-violence.
IN WW1 111,000 soldiers died and in WW2 243,000 indian soldiers died as a result. Gandhi told the soldiers “Use your guns against the Germans NOT the British!
Gandhi preached ahimsa and non-violence.
Jew Satanist Rothschilds and the British had robbed, murdered, enslaved and plundered India for over 2 centuries. The Germans had done no harm to India whatsoever! Jew Satanist Rothschilds made Gandhi and BR Ambedkar “heroes” in his ”kosher” plan to carve out the State of Israel. Most of the poor Indian soldiers (cannon fodder)died in the most appalling circumstances, the surviving soldiers receiving NO COMPENSATION!
Gandhi preached ahimsa and non-violence.
Gandhi was assassinated by Nathuram Godse, who was a member of the RSS. The RSS (an Indian Hindu Fascist group) was the creation of Rothschilds. This is “the Hegelian Dialectic” at work! Rothschilds is a Satanist Freemason as was Annie Besant (Theosophical Society) who worked with Gandhi on the “Partition Deal”. (divide and rule). This caused many deaths and murders of innocent people.
Gandhi preached ahimsa and non-violence.
Rothschilds didn’t give a damn about Gandhi (who has fulfilled his role!) or Nathuram Godse (who was hanged) but ONLY THE CONTROL OF INDIA’S WEALTH (AND THE WORLD’S) WHICH IS MOSTLY UNDER ROTHSCHILDS CONTROL. JEW ROTHSCHILDS JUST REMAINS “INVISIBLE” AS THE INDIAN PRIME MINISTERS (LIKE NEHRU, MODI AND COUNTLESS OTHERS ARE JUST THEIR VASSALS, GANDHI IS GLORIFIED, THE ROTHSCHILD PRESS CREATE A HERO, THE NEW “INDEPENDENT” INDIA (WHAT A JOKE!) PRAISES GANDHI AS “THE FATHER OF THE NATION” AND ROTHSCHILD CONTINUES TO PLUNDER, PILLAGE AND ENSLAVE “INDEPENDENT” INDIA FOR ANOTHER 2 CENTURIES! DO YOU GET THE PICTURE NOW!
Martin Luther King was a Zionist Illuminati (hero) who liked to screw white prostitutes and beat them up in the process. The world is FULL OF ROTHSCHILD CREATED “HEROES” Nelson Mandela is another “hero” created by Rothschilds (he was a member of The Knights of Malta, as is Archbishop Desmond Tutu!). Mandela’s ANC murdered over 2,000 people by burning to death with a rubber tire around their necks and countless others in terrorist bombings. Rothschilds created the KKK and then created the “Black Civil Rights Movement”. This is how the “Heglian Dialectic” works, by the ‘CONTROL OF BOTH SIDES THE OUTCOME IS ASSURED’
Gandhi was a dupe, a stooge that’s all! Such is the position of these conditioned souls who are traitors and perverts. By themselves they can do nothing (he was the dumbest guy in school!) but Rothschild arranged everything for Gandhi from the time he arrived back in India (from Africa), Rothschild had the white Governor greet Gandhi at the wharf and give to him all facility.
Sudarsana Das Vanacari : Annie Besant (Theosophical Society) who worked with Gandhi on the “Partition Deal”. (divide and rule). This caused many deaths and murders of innocent people.
Mahesh:Actually, Gandhi was in Jail at the time. It is Nehru and Jinnah were responsible for Partition because they wanted to become Prime Ministers: “And these rascal leaders, they accepted partition for becoming prime minister. This policy. Gandhi never agreed. So the Jawaharlal Nehru, in order to become prime minister, he committed such a blunder.”
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Prabhupāda: Climate also. The climate is very favorable. Now it is, of course, winter season. Otherwise, it will continue for two months only. It is not very severe, and still, this condition will not continue. Throughout the whole year you can remain naked body. There is no expenditure for dressing much. And to remain clean, you simply wash in the water, and immediately it is… So with one cloth or two cloths you can go on for six months. There is no much expenditure. And this vegetarian diet, if you take a few grains of this chick pea and little milk, you don’t require anything to eat. Everything, facility, is there still. But they have… The people are being trained up to imitate Western civilization. That is the government policy, that, “Unless you become Westernized, technologist, you’ll not be happy.” But they can become happy even in this condition. This artificial partition has caused some trouble by the Britishers because the Pakistan has taken away all the wheat and rice. Their purpose was that. The Punjab side, they are producing wheat in very large quantity. In Bengal, that is the, perhaps the biggest rice producing country in the world, Bengal. So rice is in Pakistan and wheat is in Pakistan. Even cows, they were maintained by the Punjabis, big, big cows, milk-producing. They are now in the Punjab. So there is no milk, there is no rice, there is no wheat. And they have no sugar. The sugar is produced this side. In this way, always. And the Kashmir question… That is British policy. Due to this partition only, India’s position is now very crippled. And these rascal leaders, they accepted partition for becoming prime minister. This policy. Gandhi never agreed. So the Jawaharlal Nehru, in order to become prime minister, he committed such a blunder. Therefore India is given… Still, if they keep to their original culture, they will not be unhappy. And you find in every city some such institution as this Gītā Bhavan, in every city you’ll find. People are contributing. They are coming. They are holding ceremony, calling saintly persons, every city still. Just like we have gone to Punjab?
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Gandhi was against this partition. But Jawaharlal Nehru, just to become prime minister, immediately divided.
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So this monarchy is different. People now, they have taken to democracy. Democracy is also mentioned in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that in the Kali-yuga there will be no more monarchy or the kingdom ruled by the kṣatriyas, but amongst the people who will be tricky, some way or other get the votes of the people, he will be seated on the throne. That is stated. Some way or other. So therefore, people are in trouble because so many rascals, they somehow or other manage to get some vote and become the president and minister and… So what they know? They do not know how to govern, how to bring peace in the country. But this monarchy, Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, just see. Because for the sake of his personal interest so many have been killed, he was sorry. Just see. Not that some way or other, you divide India: “Let me become Prime Minister, that’s all.” We have got political information that in India when it was…, the proposal was for partition, Gandhi was completely against this partition. He said, “Better I will have no independence; still, I shall not allow the country to be divided.” He was stubborn on this point. But he was absent, and in the meantime our, the big Prime Minister signed it, agreed, partition because he wanted to be prime minister anyway, some way or other. “Let the country go to hell.” This is politician, going on. Not…
Yudhiṣṭhira is not like that: “Let… Somehow or other, let me become King. Let so many people were killed. Never mind.” No. He was so sorry, so sorry that he could not be solaced even by the instruction of Kṛṣṇa and saintly person like Vyāsadeva. He was so sorry. Of course, he accepted, but personally he was so very, very sorry, that “So many people have been killed for me.” But what could be done? It was Kṛṣṇa’s desire. Kṛṣṇa comes—paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām [Bg. 4.8], His two business. So He wanted to establish the kingdom of His representative. He wanted that “Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira is right representative. He should be enthroned on the kingdom of whole world.” Formerly Bhāratavarṣa meant this whole planet, not this small tract of land. Now it is called India. But the Bhāratavarṣa means the whole planet, this planet. There was one flag. Up to Mahārāja Parīkṣit there was one flag, not like at present there are hundreds and thousands of flags.
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Prabhupāda: Yes. Perverted, converted. Just like Nehru. Nehru was western-educated. He was educated in London. But he hated everything Indian.
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Prabhupāda: Oh yes. From the beginning. From the beginning. Now, if you don’t mind, I’ll say. This Jawaharlal was rejected by his father. After coming from foreign country, he was simply after women. So his father thought that “This son is useless.” So he was lying useless. So when Gandhi approached Motilal Nehru, that “Come and join,” so he took the opportunity that “I am coming, settling up. You please take my son.” So that is the beginning of Jawaharlal Nehru’s life.
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Prabhupāda: Let us see. [break] Just like children, they are given some facilities. They must work according to that plan. Otherwise sometimes there is slap, “Huh, why you are doing like that?” like that. [break] …your country. Yasyātmā-buddhiḥ kuṇape tri-dhātuke sva-dhīḥ kalatrā-bhaumya idya-dhīḥ [SB 10.84.13]. Bhaumya means bhūmi. Bhūmi, the land, idya-dhīḥ: “This is my duty: to serve my country, to serve my land.” This is māyā. The rascal, he is engaged to “Do your duty to your country,” and what is the country? Suppose if I do my duty and I may be driven away from my country next life, because there is no guarantee that I will have to take my birth… Just like one astrologer has explained that Jawaharlal Nehru has become a dog in Scandinavia. (laughs) There is chance. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ [Bg. 2.13]. You will have to change your body. Now, where it will be changed, how it will be changed, what kind of body you will get—that is not in your hands. That is not in your hands. You cannot say, “Oh, I am Prime Minister. I must get such and such body.” That is not going to be accepted. But these foolish rascal people, they do not understand it. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ [Bg. 3.27]. I am acting under certain infection. So I am infecting, say, some venereal disease. So I must suffer for it
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Prabhupāda: So the supreme destination, back to Godhead, back to home, is for everyone. It is not that God… God means for everyone. God does not say, “Only the brāhmaṇa class of men, please come here. Others all rejected.” No. He is inviting everyone. Even the lowest of the lowest, low-born, pāpa-yonayaḥ, women, śūdra, or vaiśyas, everyone.
Now, Kṛṣṇa says that “Everyone has got the potency of coming to Me, go back to home, back to Godhead.” That is admitted by Kṛṣṇa. Now, who will make them qualified to go back to home, back to Godhead? That is the Vaiṣṇava, those who are actually very sincere servant of Kṛṣṇa. It is their duty. Kṛṣṇa says that “Everyone is competent to come to Me if he is following the rules and regulations.” Vyapāśritya. What is the meaning of vyapāśritya?
Nitāi: “Particularly taking shelter.”
Prabhupāda: Yes, particularly. One should be willing to go back to home, back to Godhead and take shelter particularly, means his representative. Such person can be elevated. So it is not that… But unfortunately, in India, although Bhagavad-gītā is there, they neglect it. The so-called brāhmaṇas, so-called gosvāmīs, so-called…, they neglect this process. Just like in India, the Muhammadans, the Muhammadans who claim to be partitioned: Pakistan and Hindustan. There are number of Muhammadans, they protested that “India is going to be independent, but we do not wish to participate with the Hindus. We must be separate.” Why? Because they have got a bad experience that the Hindus did not treat them very well. Did not… Even śūdra. In South India, it was the process, so bad process. If śūdra is passing on the street, he has to cry, “I am a śūdra passing on the street. Please close your door.” The brāhmaṇas would close the door so that they may not even see a śūdra. Then everything will be spoiled, their food grains and everything. They will close. You see. Now the result is that South India, the Communists Communists means the so-called low-class people, śūdras and caṇḍālas, they are now in majority. They have formed a government that on principle, as soon as some brāhmaṇa comes for government service, he will reject. So the brāhmaṇas are now hiding themselves, that he is brāhmaṇa, because he cannot get any job. (laughter) This is the position.
So this negligence, this is not Vedic culture. Because they neglected… These Muhammadans who came, who grown in India, they were not imported from Afghanistan or Turkey or any Muhammadan country. They were Indians. But they were not given any facility for spiritual culture. The brāhmaṇas monopolized it. Although they would not do anything. They would all, degraded form. But the state, they would keep these śūdras and the caṇḍālas downtrodden and ill-treated. So therefore, when Aurangzeb passed a law, Jeziar tax.(?) Jeziar(?) tax means all the non-Muhammadans would pay a tax. So these low-class people were so neglected. They thought—it is natural—that “Why should we pay this tax? We are not very much well-treated by the Hindus. So what is the use of remain Hindu and pay the tax?” So the wholesale, this neglected class of men became Muhammadans. This is the history. Otherwise, these Muhammadans did not come from the Muhammadan country.
So in this way a community was formed, Muhammadan community, gradually. And this British government took advantage of this ill-feeling between Hindus and Muhammadans. And they wanted to rule over India. They felt that ill-feeling. There is a great history. They are very big politician. In this way, at last, Jinnah, he was bribed by the British government and all the Britishers, that “You take as much money as you like.” Just like we are also sometimes alleged that “These American boys are being bribed by the American government.” Who was telling, that newspaper reporter?
Nitāi: Newspaper reporter.
Prabhupāda: Yes. “The American boys being supported by the American government to become Vaiṣṇava.” Just see how fools they are. And the American boys, they have given up their all American comforts, and they are after me. They are eating anything I give, or I don’t give anything, they are suffering. They are still bribed. Just see. They have no common sense even. (laughs) So anyway, they think like that. So sometimes the politicians do that.
So in this way, later on… Because the Britishers thought that “India is going to be independent, that cannot be checked, so make them smaller, smaller, smaller.” That is the European history. Yes, in… Formerly, under Roman Empire, all the Europeans were one nation. Is it not? I think it was, under Roman Empire. But when the empire dismantled, they became different nations-Germany, English, French. I see the same culture, the same civilization all over Europe. How they became Germans and Englishmen and this, I do not know. Anyway, this is the policy of the politicians.
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Rabindranath Tagore bestowed the title of ‘Mahatma’ (“Great Soul”) on Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi in 1915. Mahatma Gandhi called Tagore Gurudev (“Revered Master”) and he attained a certain classicality.
http://www.talkativeman.com/tagore-and-gandhi-controversy/
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That is perfect government. That is the duty of the government. To see the citizens happy in this life. They have no grievance for their living condition. They are happy. At the same time, they are preparing for going back to home, back to Godhead. That is good government. And the government who simply levies taxes somehow or other… Every year, the budget is increasing tax. “You give us tax, and you go to hell. It doesn’t matter. You give us tax.” And the tax is divided amongst themselves. That is government. Whatever… We know in India, the tax collected, eighty percent is spent among the government servants. That’s all.
So this is the position of Kali-yuga. Mlecchā rājanya-rūpiṇo bhakṣayiṣyanti prajās te. That is predicted in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, that in Kali-yuga the mlecchas, means the rejected from human society, such persons, rogues and fools and rascals, they will take the post of king. Rājanya-rūpiṇaḥ. They are unworthy to be kicked, but they will take the post of government.
Rājanya-rūpiṇaḥ. And what will be their business? Bhakṣayiṣyanti prajās te. They will eat the citizens. That’s all. Vital force. Vital force, blood-sucking, tax. Durbhikṣa-kara-pīḍitāḥ [SB 12.2.9]. In one side, there will be scarcity of supply. In other side, they will be perplexed with taxes. These are going to be happened. Kara-pīḍitāḥ gacchanti giri-kānanam. And they will give up their homely life and will go to the forest, to the hills. Just like every year you hear. Now it is going on. Just like in Vietnam. The poor people, they are sometimes evacuating this place and evacuating… vacating this place, vacating that place. They are troubled. The politicians, they are making their own plan, and the poor people … We have seen. When partition was made in India, all poor Hindus and Muslims, they were in trouble. And the leaders, they were in happy mood in their apartment, ordering and eating very nicely, butter and bread. That’s all. This is going on. Therefore the only opportunity of becoming happy is that you preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement amongst the people, so if the people become educated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and if they decide that “We shall vote for Kṛṣṇa conscious leader,” then there will be happiness.
It is Rothschilds and the British that wanted partition this is the real point. Nehru, Jinnah and Gandhi were just the means to accomplish this. Nehru was the most enthusiastic about this, Jinnah had many reservations and Gandhi least of all, but these men were ALL PUPPETS OF SATANIST JEW ROTHSCHILD, AND PARTITION (AND INDIAN “INDEPENDENCE”) WAS NOT DETERMINED BY EITHER NEHRU, JINNAH NOR GANDHI.
Gandhi was NOT the person who was responsible for India’s “Independence” even Srila Prabhupada has said this. This was inevitable as it was going to happen anyway. Just as in South Africa as Rothschilds, Crypto Jews, and Europes elite own most of the assets (more than 80%) in South Africa (Mining, Banking, Diamonds etc) “white rule” was becoming troublesome and expensive and as far as the Zionist Jews like Rothschilds are concerned “blacks are much easier to control” so Rothschilds “created” another “hero” Mandela!
South African poor blacks are worse off than they have ever been. The crime rate is the highest in the world, diseases like AIDS are endemic BUT ROTHSCHILDS AND THE ELITIST SHAREHOLDERS, BANKERS AND MINING CONGLOMERATES ARE MAKING A FORTUNE BECAUSE THEIR ‘FREEMASONIC BLACK GANGSTERS’ ARE RULING WITH AN IRON GRIP! AND ‘NO MORE COMPLAINTS’ FROM THE WESTERN COUNTRIES ABOUT “RACISM!”
This is how it all works. Rothschilds and the Freemason elites are “calling all the shots” and different personalities are recruited into their plan like Gandhi (to passify the population and lead them down the garden path!) and when he becomes “trouble!” BANG!, BANG!, BANG! FINISHED!
Rothschilds and The British install their puppets (Nehru and Jinnah) and India is enslaved (falsely believing they are “independent”) and Jew Rothschilds remains “invisible” counting all the money in one of his numerous chateaus or mansions in Europe……and the dumb Indian poor (just like the South Africans) are dancing in the street waving flags thinking “we are now an “independent nation” hurrah! hurrah! hurrah!………….. Will these fools ever wake up?
I don’t know whether Rabindranath Tagore bestowed this title of “Mahatma” on Gandhi as some say it was Annie Besant. Tagore had a lifelong association with the Satanic ‘Theosophical Society’ and Besant so it is possible. Either way this title was undeserving with regards to Gandhi as he was NO GREAT SOUL! Tagore was also fraud and pseudo-politician, meeting with all of Europe’s Bohemian Satanist elites.
There is only Krishna Consciousness and “everything else”. The “everything else” category is MANUFACTURED, PROMOTED AND PROPAGATED (through bogus, materialistic ideology) by the many Freemason, Satanic and Secret Societies and Lodges and their minions worldwide, for the purposes of parasitical hegemony and slavery
Note: this is video on Rothschild some very interesting info:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYCDT44qxJ0
Dear Mahesh Raja Prabhu, this “Infographics show” is pure rubbish! Such a slick propaganda vid could only be produced by Rothschilds themselves. It is very disappointing that you consider this “interesting information”. The often quoted ”Snopes” is an Illuminati disinformation site as is “Fuct Check” (run by Annenberg, a powerful Illuminati figure and member of the Pilgrim Society, together with the Duck of Edinburgh and Bush Snr).
Forbes (as in Forbes 500) is also Illuminati and made their fortune smuggling opium for Jew Rothschild’s (East India Company). John Forbes Kerry is a direct descendant and a member of The Skull & Bones Brotherhood of Death (Yale). All the “ivy league” colleges in the USA (Yale, Princeton, Harvard etc) were all financed by the Opium trade.
The first Opium smugglers were the Sasson family (Arranged by Queen Elizabeth 1) who very soon married into the Rothschilds and have been (and still are) the main drug runners of the World. Crypto Jew Queen Elizabeth 1 also ‘ramped up’ the slave trade, sending tens of thousands of Irish people to the West Indies as slaves (before the black African slaves).
This “slick, DIS-infographics show” falsely portrays the Satanist Zionist Rothschilds as some sort of benevolent, charitable, hardworking family who have been “slighted” by “conspiracy theorists” which is pure nonsense! They are lying, degenerate parasites, warmongers, mass murderers and Satanic Zionist filth! The World is catching up to them, so they are no longer ”invisible” that is the reason that they are producing these “dis-info vids” as they don’t like being in the spotlight! The weekly riots in France are all attributed to public reaction against Rothschilds as Prime Minister Macron (former Rothschilds Banker) would be lynched if he ventured onto the Paris streets!
Rothschilds own almost every Federal Reserve Bank in the world (except Syria, North Korea, Libya and Iran), this is why there is war in Syria as the Zionist Jews want to extend their borders and Rothschilds wants to control Syria’s banking system, so they are using “false flag” terrorism.
The Rothschilds wealth is around 500 trillions and the British Royals around 300 trillions not the paltry several billion quoted in this bullshit little DIS-info flick. Bill Gate’s wealth is ‘chump change’ compared to this! Rothschild’s are directly responsible for the murder of over 200 million people in all the wars that they have not only financed but CREATED over the last 350 years!
Divide and Rule……History repeating itself!
The American Civil War was engineered by Jew Rothschilds banking elite. The Rothschilds used “divide and conquer” strategy to take back America, by creating a conflict between North and South. (Almost a century before Indian “Independence” and “Partition”)
1) The Union Army of the North were bankrolled by ‘Rothschild’s London Bank’.
2) The Confederate Army of the South was bankrolled by ‘Rothschild’s Paris Bank’.
1) The North was to be a British Colony, annexed to Canada under the control of Lionel Rothschild.
2) The South was to be a French Colony, given to Napoleon 111 of France, under the control of James Rothschild.
“Slavery” was not the cause of the war! There were just as many slaves in the North as the South and were mostly (80%) owned by Jews. Christians that owned slaves (either North or South ) were very few as Christians viewed slavery as abhorrent! This is the business of the Kabbalist Jews, “slavery and usury!” as they believe they are superior to everyone else on the planet and others only exist to be their slaves! The main issue (as with all wars), was that of who controlled the banks and the money supply.
Abraham Lincoln opposed this ‘destruction of America’ by issuing the “Greenback” to fund it’s defense against the Jew Rothschild International Bankers, interest free, government printed and later, redeemable in gold as a guarantee.
The Satanic Kabbalist Jew Rothschild bankers wouldn’t stand for this. 5 days after the surrender of the Confederate South (April 14th, 1865) Abraham Lincoln was shot dead by assassin John Wilkes Booth (a member of The Knights of the Golden Circle Illuminati Lodge).
And as I mentioned previously….history just repeating itself with regards to “Divide and Rule” (Partition) in India almost a century later. A similar scenario and the “usual suspects” The Illuminati Satanic Rothschild Bankers who the “leaders” of FISKCON are EMBEDDED!
Note: Only SENTIMENTAL types worship and appreciate Gandhi. When Srila Prabhupada is preaching AMONG DEVOTEES he tells them what he is like. Srila Prabhupada tells us Gandhi did not believe in Krsna: that alone tells us what the man is. He was HODGE PODGE CHEATER.
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Prabhupāda: Even Gandhi says that “There was no Kṛṣṇa; it is all mythology.” Then? How people will learn it? If Kṛṣṇa becomes mythology, the Bhagavad-gītā becomes imagination and anyone can interpret in any way. Then where is the teaching?
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Prabhupāda: That’s alright, but if you take wrong direction you’ll be unhappy. Your destination will not be (reached).
Gaṇeśa: So how can the scientists arrive at vāsudevaḥ sarvam iti [Bg. 7.19]?
Prabhupāda: For that he has to take direction from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa says the destination Himself. He comes and says, “Here is, I am the destination, come here.” But if you don’t take, that is your misfortune. The direction is here. The perfect director is there, but he’s unfortunate—he does not accept this. Therefore he is baffled. We are… Our propaganda is therefore, that you rascals, all blind leaders, rascals, don’t try to lead. Take Kṛṣṇa’s instruction and lead. Then you’ll be perfect. This is our propaganda. Leading must be there, direction must be there, but the direction and leading must be perfect, then (indistinct). Or enquiries must be there but if the answers or the leading is bad, then you have to (indistinct). So we should make our enquiry to Kṛṣṇa, and take His direction.
Paramahaṁsa: But some people say that the Bhagavad-gītā is the direction, and some people say that the Koran is the direction, some people…
Prabhupāda: Some people. Many authorities say it is right, and that is your fortune or misfortune. As some people say that it is written by some man or something, then it is not perfect. There are many others also, they say it is perfect. Now it is your choice, whom you to follow. So that some people as they are against, there are for also. Now it is up to you to accept whom. It is up to you. We accept the direction of the ācāryas, Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya, Caitanya. Their word is perfect. They take the direction of Gandhi or this man, that man. Both of them are taking direction, but when the direction is perfect, then you become perfect. If the direction is imperfect, you remain imperfect. That’s all.
Gaṇeśa: We can see from the results of those different directions.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Results, phalena-paricīyate. That is required. Now there are so many Gandhi-ite students. They have also read Bhagavad-gītā, and you have also read Bhagavad-gītā. Find out the difference. That is the result.
Paramahaṁsa: We have heard that Gandhi was a great mahātmā.
Prabhupāda: You have heard. You have heard so many things. That mountain gave birth to a mouse. You have heard like that.
Paramahaṁsa: But Gandhi also read the Bhagavad-gītā, and he made so many wonderful comments on the Gītā.
Prabhupāda: That wonderfulness is for the rascals and the fools. What wonderful he has done? He preached nonviolence, but he was killed by violence. That is his wonderful example. He preached the philosophy of nonviolence, which is impossible. Therefore Kṛṣṇa killed him by violence. This is his wonderful. And his foolishness was proved, that there cannot be nonviolence. So he was a fool.
Paramahaṁsa: But he himself was nonviolent.
Prabhupāda: Nonviol… That’s alright, he was a fool. Therefore I say you cannot bring nonviolence in politics. There is no such history. Just like Arjuna wanted to be nonviolent. Kṛṣṇa chastized him, that you are a foolish number one. So… This is to bring a horse before a cart. Politics and nonviolence, it is incompatible. It is not possible. And he did it. Therefore he was a fool. Just like if you want to cook without fire. Is it possible?
Devotee: No.
Prabhupāda: So, this is foolishness. You become very bold enough, “Now I shall cook without fire.” You are a rascal number one. Gandhi did it. Actually he could not drive away the Britishers by nonviolence, for thirty years, thirty-five years he struggled. When Subash Bose introduced violence, they were forced out. This is politics. Politics and nonviolence (incompatible). There is no history in the world that politics has been successful without violence, and he introduced this. So how much foolish he was, you can understand. It is same thing like that, if somebody says, “I’ll cook without any. I shall scientifically do that a man can give birth to a child.” There is no history, and if I say, “Now I shall do it. I shall see that equal rights. As a woman is giving birth to a child, the man will also will give child.” These things are foolishness. This is not intelligence. The women are claiming equal rights. So, stop giving birth to a child? Then equal rights. Can it be possible? The man and woman unite, but the woman becomes pregnant, not the man. And if somebody says, now the man will become pregnant, is it not foolishness?
Paramahaṁsa: But they have made a way so that the women also don’t have to become pregnant. This contraceptive, and…
Prabhupāda: This is another foolishness. (indistinct) another… [break] This unnatural thing. [break] What is this insignia?
Śrutakīrti: That is Ford’s insignia.
Prabhupāda: Ford? This is Ford?
Śrutakīrti: This is a Ford?
Gaṇeśa: LTD.
Gaṇeśa: Does it mean we should use violence to spread Kṛṣṇa consciousness then, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No. Yes, when there is politics, that is necessary. I am speaking of politics, not of love. You cannot create love by violence. That is another thing. But if you want kingdom, there must be violence. By violence you cannot force a woman, agree to love you. That is not possible. Then there must be love. The business must be done accordingly. But when there is politics, there must be violence. Otherwise you cannot come out victorious. [break] …in a friendly way. “Might is right.” So Gandhi did this foolishness and he died of violence. (laughs) He praised the philosophy of nonviolence, but he was himself killed by violence. That was his foolishness.
Paramahaṁsa: But we have seen Lord Buddha, he conquered all of India with ahiṁsā, nonviolence, Lord Buddha.
Prabhupāda: Lord Buddha was not a politician.
Paramahaṁsa: But he conquered India. He became the most…
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. He conquered India. If he con-quered India, why he is driven out of India? Nobody is Buddhist now in India. And in Japan, nearly also halfway, so that is (indistinct). Buddha’s nonviolence and Gandhi’s nonviolence is different.
Paramahaṁsa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Gandhi’s nonviolence all rascaldom because he was dealing in politics. Buddha never entered in politics. So how you can compare with Buddha? His activities are different. His activity of false vibration(?), to stop all kinds of miseries of material world. That was his philosophy. He never dealt in politics. Although he was a king’s son, he never dealt in politics. You cannot… This is foolishness. We do not know. We do not study what is Buddha’s position, what is Gandhi’s position.
Paramahaṁsa: But still, everyone in India respects Gandhi so much. They have statues and everything.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing. He was a good gentleman. He was very humble, meek. Because you have got some fault, that does not mean you have no qualities. That is another thing. But if you deal wrongly with something, then you must be called a foolish man. You may have very good qualities, but if you do not know how to deal with business, then you are foolish. He was mainly engaged in politics, but he did not know how to deal with politics. He was reading Bhagavad-gītā and he was misleading people that in the Bhagavad-gītā there is nonviolence. Just see. Because Arjuna wanted to become nonviolent the whole Bhagavad-gītā was taught to him, how to become violent, and this rascal said that in the Bhagavad-gītā there is nonviolence. It is not false? So a man preaching falsehood, is he a gentleman? Or he is a right man?
Paramahaṁsa: No.
Prabhupāda: So that is his position. Either he is a foolish rascal or he is not a gentleman, falsely preaching Bhagavad-gītā. That is his position. If you do not know a subject matter, why do you talk about it? Either you mislead or cheat or you are a foolish, you have no science. Similarly, here is a tape recorder, I do not know how the machine is working. If I talk about it authoritatively is it not my foolishness? I can talk about Bhagavad-gītā or something else, but that does mean I know everything about this machine? But he did it like this. He was dealing in politics, and he took up as a mahātmā, a religious man. That was his cheating.
Paramahaṁsa: So because people are so much in darkness about religion, therefore they say…
Prabhupāda: Yes, everyone is in darkness. If you can make propaganda, the people will be misled. That is not very difficult. Just like from Russia, nobody is communist. But it is going on—the Russia is communist country. I have studied thoroughly. Nobody is communist. Maybe a few only. But it is going on by propaganda that Russia is a communist country. The people in general, they are forced to accept it. That book was written by some man, terrorism. It is terrorism. That’s it. By force. Nobody accepts this communist philosophy, I have studied. (everyone gets out of car) They were very, very unhappy. The young man cannot go out of the country. Just see. Restricted. How much uncomfortable he is feeling. Especially in European countries, the young men, they want to go. But they will not allow. They will not allow anything to read except Lenin’s literature. What is this? Simply suppressing. Everyone is unhappy. Which way? This way? This is their position. I have seen it directly. And as soon as one is suspected that he is doing otherwise, he will be sent to some unknown camp. Nobody knows where he has gone.
Hare Krsna,
Sudarsana Das Vanacari : Gandhi was NOT the person who was responsible for India’s “Independence” even Srila Prabhupada has said this.
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“…even Srila Prabhupada has said this”
Would not we accept Srila Prabhupada’s words?
I finished this topic.
Hare Krsna
Note: Nehru was born a caste Brahmin. He was very much AGAINST the vedic culture. He was ATHIEST:
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Prabhupāda: Yes, just see. (guest laughs) Just like Nehru bribed one Mukerjee, Rādhā-kuṇḍa Mukerjee, doctor, to write book where he has supported cow slaughter.
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Letter to: Gopala Krsna
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New Vrindaban
5 June, 1969
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In my opinion, India is going down by giving up this original cultural life which is its own. The government is enamored by the glittering civilization of the West, and it was a definite policy of our late prime minister, Mr. Nehru, who wanted to see India overnight as rich and materially advanced as America. It was, of course, Gandhi’s policy to concentrate his organization in village life, taking to simple life and cow protection. But just after Mahatma Gandhi’s disappearance, his chief disciple, Pandit Nehru, planned for up-to-date organized cow-slaughter house. So this is our position.
Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/new_vrindaban/june/05/1969/gopala_krsna
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Prabhupāda: Yes. Nehru, yes. Nehru was such a rascal that he came… Ramakrishna Mission has a big hospital in Vṛndāvana. So on the opening day he came from Delhi by helicopter. He stayed there the whole day. He came in the morning, and the function took place in the evening. Or in daytime. He left the same day. But he did not visit a single temple. You see? Such an atheist he was.
Haṁsadūta: He was also involved in that Jagannātha… There were many carvings on the temple, and he had some of them destroyed, at the Jagannātha temple.
Prabhupāda: What it is? What he is destroyed?
Himāvatī: It was a sun temple. They worship the sun.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, yes.
Himāvatī: And there are many obscene statues, so he came to that temple and said, “What is this?” and he had them destroyed.
Prabhupāda: He was a great rascal. Change this water.