Transgender Diksha Gurus, homosexual devotees and lesbian matajis
Srila Prabhupada has numerous times stressed the importance of purity for His movement. His fourfold practical mantra of: Purity is the force, Books [His original Books) are the basis, Utility is the principle and Preaching is the essence” was the basic foundation of His vision for His pure Vaishnava movement.
If “Purity is the force”, than one will naturally ask, why ISKCON is continually introducing abominable homosexual deviations of all kinds, completely destroying purity?
Srila Prabhupadas letter to Lalitananda dasa
My Dear Lalitananda dasa, Please accept my blessings.
I am in due receipt of your letter dated May 13rd, 1975 and have noted the contents. I am very sorry that you have taken to homosex. It will not help you advance in your attempt for spiritual life. In fact, it will only hamper your advancement. I do not know why you have taken to such abominable activities. What can I say? Anyway, try to render whatever service you can to Krishna. Even though you are in a very degraded condition Krishna, being pleased with your service attitude, can pick you up from your fallen state. You should stop this homosex immediately. It is illicit sex, otherwise, your chances of advancing in spiritual life are nil. Show Krishna you are serious, if you are.
I hope this meets you in good health. Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami (Shrila Prabhupada Letter from Hawaii, 26 May, 1975)
Prabhupada: “So if we keep our movement pure, then you are as strong as Krishna. And as soon as you deviate from it, immediately, ordinary. This is the secret. Now it is up to us to keep it pure.” …. “So I request all of you to follow strictly the regulative principles, especially the chanting on the beads.”
“Lord Brahmā, approaching the Lord, addressed Him thus: My Lord, please protect me from these sinful demons, who were created by me under Your order. They are infuriated by an appetite for sex and have come to attack me.” (SB 3.20.26, Translation and Purport
PURPORT: It appears here that the homosexual appetite of males for each other is created in this episode of the creation of the demons by Brahmā. In other words, the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane male in the ordinary course of life.
“Foolish and sinful men engage in all forms of sexual intercourse without a female womb, forcing themselves upon other men. They are born again without their organs as neuters” (Mahabharata 13.145.52)
ISKCON LONDON’S HOMOSEX HARINAM TATTVA
gay-pride together with chanting harinam devotees
published on official ISKCON’s web pages
Prabhupada: So generally, people are suffering on account of association with tamo-guna
and rajo-guna, whole material world, mostly tamo-guna and few of them in rajo-guna.
The symptoms of rajo-guna and tamo-guna are lust and greediness.
New ISKCON ideology is that there is nothing wrong in being gay, it is just one of many wrong identifications, just like all other material identification. So, pious brahmana who is living a pure life and still somewhat identifies with the body is on the same level as someone practicing anal lila, that is new ISKCON ideology. Pious brahmana and anal practicioner are both equally in illusion. And we must post anal harinams on our official ISKCON’s web pages to show how “modern” we are. And we all pray to Krishna that general public never discovers all the things our founder acarya said about gays.
Anal is being pushed in ISKCON in an undercover fashion, but it is increasing gradually, after I posted yesterday about anal harinam video which was published on official ISKCON page, a huge debate ensued on facebook. And if you don’t agree that ISKCON should publish anal harinam videos on their official page, then you are “offender”. Well, that’s good, better to be offender than anal offender.
Who is the main ISKCON baba in London? Radhanath baba. Who has the biggest number of disciples in London? Radhanath baba. Whose disciple is temple president in Soho? Radhanath baba’s.
So, when anal harinam happens in London, who is to blame? Radhanath baba. As I pointed out many times, Radhanath baba loves everybody, that is his major problem. And if you are Radhanath baba’s follower, you will be also trained to love everybody, however, that will not be the type of love Prabhupada had. Prabhupada didn’t like mayavadis, and Prabhupada didn’t instruct devotees to support gay pride. And the result of following Radhanath baba, you might end up in anal harinam. Yesterday, I shared anal harinam on my facebook wall, and many people started commenting, what surprised me that actually majority of devotees agreed that anal harinama is not the way to go for this movement. You can read the whole discussion here.
Prabhupada: “Nowadays, of course, they are thinking like that, that man should remain independent, and they’ll have homosex, and the woman also independent and they will make some… This is most immoral things.” (Morning Walk Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—December 10, 1975, Vrndavana)
What an irony, this conversation happened in London:
Prabhupāda: These rascals should understand that they have created problem on account of their animalistic, less than animalistic civilization. There is no limit of sense gratification. The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see. At least, in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the priest, the religious heads. You know that?
Devotee: Yes, I’ve heard.
Prabhupāda: Just see. If you say that they are animal civilization, that is a great credit for them. It is less than animal civilization. Write all this in papers and everything, all openly. Challenge strongly. First of all, realize, then challenge. [break] Dharmeṇa hīnāḥ paśubhiḥ samānāḥ. That is the special distinction, that their life, human life must be based on dharma, religion. They have rejected dharma. (Room Conversation,
August 25, 1971, London)
Prabhupada: Now the priestly order supporting homosex. I was surprised. They are going to pass resolution for getting married between man to man. The human society has come down to such a degraded position. It is astonishing. When I heard from Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja there is a big conference for passing this resolution. In India still, if there somebody hears about homosex (makes sound of breathing out). Homosex is there but nobody will support publicly. (indistinct) People are going down and this is the subject matter for priestly order? It may be subject matter for the legislator, priestly order, they are discussing for one week. Just imagine. Phalena paricīyate, one has to study by the result. Not that superficially you show that “We are very much advanced.” Phalena, what is the result? Phalena paricīyate, your, that is in English word also, end justifies the means. The end is this (indistinct) “We are going to support homosex.” Getting married. There are many cases the priestly order has actually got married. I read it in that paper, Watch, what is called?
Devotees: Watchtower.
Prabhupāda: Watchtower. They have complained(?). So we have nothing to (indistinct) them. The world is degrading to the lowest status, even less than animal. The animal also do not support homosex. They have never sex life between male to male. They are less than animal. People are becoming less than animal. This is all due to godlessness. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā [SB 5.18.12], godless civilization cannot have any good qualities. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā mano rathena asato dhāvato… They simply go to the untruth by mental speculation. (Conversation with the GBC, May 25, 1972, Los Angeles)
Prabhupāda: These so-called Christians. They say that “We are very weak. We can not restrain ourself from sinful activities, so we believe in Christ, and he has taken contract for suffering. That’s all.”
Trivikrama: “So let us go on sinning.”
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pañcadraviḍa: Kill him again.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is their philosophy. And as they pass laws in the Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: “Yes, homosex is all right.” Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You’ll find in Calcutta, in College Street, so many butcher house. And they have kept one goddess Kālī that “We are eating Mother Kali’s prasāda.” That’s it. This is going on.(Morning Walk, April 2, 1975, Mayapur)
There are numerous quotes like that, but you will never hear them on any ISKCON lecture. Why? Because majority of today’s leaders are followers of agent “Spineless jelly”, they are not followers of Prabhupada. And of all possible places to make harinam, we have to go anal pride and look as we think that “gay is ok”. Maybe we should make next harinam in brothel?
Hanuman: To see how leaders are weak when it comes to anal tattva penetration in ISKCON, we will demonstrate the case of transexual pujari we had in Zagreb (Croatia) two years ago.
Dear Nrisimha Kavaca prabhu,
please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Here in temple Zagreb, we have person who undergone so called sex change operation. This person is worshiping Gaura-Nitai as main pujari on certain days of the week, even on sunday feast.
I would like to raise case against that, but I am told by the temple authorities that you approved this. Due to this fact, our Sunday feast looks like “gay pride” and I mentioned this to one ISKCON sanyassi who told me that this is not proper and not based on sastra. So, could you please give me confirmation that you given this decision and rationale behind it.
your servant, Hanuman das
Deity Worship minister’s stance on transexual pujaris
Since minister already advised us against publicly displaying transexual girl in dhoti on sunday feast, I didn’t want to press this issue further, but his general idea is “Transexual pujaris are ok, but don’t display them publicly if that will create stir. If devotees appreciate transexuals, and no stir will be created, then it is ok to display transexual girl in dhoti who is trying to grow mustache using hormones.”
ISKCON is appointing homosexuals as pujaris or altar priests, but pujari post should be reserved for people who lead very pure lifestyle. We could see that not only from this article, but also from Australia, where ISKCON deity worship minister Nrisimha Kavaca das approved homosexual pujaris together with Prahladananda Swami.
History of Zagreb’s transexual pujari
Once upon a time, there was african tribal chief who gave speeches on gay events. Here is his speech from 1993:
Exact name of the event where he spoke is “March on Washington for Lesbian, Gay and Bi Equal Rights and Liberation”, details on this march can be seen here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_on_Washington_for_Lesbian,_Gay_and_Bi_Equal_Rights_and_Liberation
Tribal chief somehow became guru in ISKCON, and he initiated a girl who already “changed” her sex into male, and named her Bhagavat das. I will reserve my privilege to call her Bhagavati devi dasi since I don’t buy into transexual nonsense. That girl started living with another girl and become pujari in ISKCON temple Zagreb.
As long as they follow principles, everything is ok …
Since Malati “prabhu” went to Moscow last week to introduce gay tattva to Russians, now we will perform retaliatory action by exposing North American-Canadian homosexual saints.
Malati’s main argument that it is ok to be gay as long as you are following all the principles. But two homosexual men should not live together in a relationship, only complete fool would believe that they are “following the principles”. Main principle of Krishna consciousness is broken since they are not living in any of the 4 asramas created by Lord Krishna. There is no such thing as gayasta asrama. So, statement that “you can be gay as long as you follow principles” can be only accepted by somebody who is retarded and doesn’t know philosophy of Krishna consciousness.
A million dollar question is “Why GBC corrupt leadership is introducing homosexual saints?” ok, it’s clear that gays are around us, but do we have to give initiation to people with demoniac tendencies, and put them to work as a pujari? Of course we don’t have to do that. But we are we doing it? Why is Bhakti Marga Swami doing it? Because he is more merciful than Prabhupada, that is the key issue here. He is more merciful than Prabhupada and more merciful than Krishna. Being homosexual is equally saintly as being in grhasta asrama, it’s all one, it all the same. Am I the only one, or somebody else has a feeling that this is mayavadi philosophy?
Prabhupada: Priests should be ideal character and they are advocating homosex? Now where is the ideal character man? If the priestly class are going to hospital for drinking habit and they are allowing man to man marriage and homosex then where is ideal character?
Social Worker: But homosexuality is a sickness, it is an illness.
Prabhupada: Now, anyway, the priestly class is sanctioning homosex. Sanctioning. They are allowing homosex.
Prabhupada: …and there was report that man and man was married by the priest. In New York there is a paper, “Watchtower,” – that is a Christian paper, I have seen in that paper – they are condemning it – that priest is allowing man to man marriage. And they are passing a resolution – homosex is passed, all right. And in Perth [Australia] you said that the students are discussing about homosex, in favor of homosex. So where is the ideal character? If you want something, tangible business, train some people to become ideal character. That is this Krishna consciousness movement. (Room Conversation — May 21, 1975, Melbourne)
NONSENSE ARGUMENTS CONCERNING SIKHANDIN
From Lea: “I do not agree with your sentiments regarding transgender people. They were included in the Ramayana and Lord Rama blessed them. Also, why would Krishna include Sikhandi in Bhagavad Gita she is a transgender. Pride comes before the down fall. Please be careful when you write things like this. Om”
Anwer: Who is included in Ramayana? Transexuals? You must be dreaming. Sikhandi is not transgender. Transgender operations didn’t exist 5000 years ago.
There were cases that man would be cursed to become women for example, but that would be full transformation through yogic power. Such transformed women would be able to become pregnant. Also, transformed man would be able to impregnate woman. Those transformations were full and complete. However, todays so called gender change operations are cosmetic. Men who becomes “woman” is not able to become pregnant, and his DNA shows that he is male. Also, woman who becomes “man” is not able to impregnate anybody.
But, in vedic times, we see different story, Srila Prabhupada writes:
Once upon a time, Sudyumna went on tour with his ministers. At the foot of the mountain Sumeru there is a forest named Sukumāra, and as soon as they entered that forest, they were all transformed into women. When Mahārāja Parīkṣit inquired from Śukadeva Gosvāmī about the reason for this transformation, Śukadeva Gosvāmī described how Sudyumna, being transformed into a woman, accepted Budha, the son of the moon, as her husband and had a son named Purūravā. By the grace of Lord Śiva, Sudyumna received the benediction that he would live one month as a woman and one month as a man. Thus he regained his kingdom and had three sons, named Utkala, Gaya and Vimala, who were all very religious. Thereafter, he entrusted his kingdom to Purūravā and took the order of vānaprastha life. (SB 9.1 intro)
Also, sex change through yogic power happened because of curse, not because somebody felt that “he is in a wrong body” or that “his gender is fluid”.
So, comparing sex change through yogic power with today’s so called sex change operations which are nothing more than cosmetic operations, is a sign of gross ignorance.
I couldn’t care less about Aristotle or Socrates, I have Srila Prabhupada. I will write whatever was preached by Prabhupada, and transexual nonsense was never preached by Prabhupada. Please be careful when you are giving nonsense examples which you don’t know anything about.
Not To Be Uttered
“Homosex, what is that religion? And they’re passing to homosex, religion. They’re getting married man to man. Most degraded.” (Room Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—February 16, 1977, Mayapura)
“They [priests] are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.” (Conversation with Srila Prabhupada:—April 28, 1977, Bombay)
“Prabhupada: Just see. Is that religion?” (Room Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—January 8, 1976, Nellore)
“The persons from the ecclesiastical order, they are also so polluted, they are sanctioning homosex, abortion. What can be done for the common man?” (Morning Walk Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—April 8, 1976, Mayapur)
(After hearing how parents allow their sons to go to homosexual parties Srila Prabhupada commented:) “It is horrible to hear even.” (Room Conversation with Srila Prabhupada—January 27, 1977, Puri)
Comment: Srila Prabhupada was so opposed to homosexuality and considered it so sinful that he felt it should not even be heard. In my opinion, to pursue the “Gay Monogamy” proposal is to commit the grave offense of guru-avajna.
“Now they are marrying man to man and accepting homosex, so what is the value now of this priestly class?” (Morning Walk with Srila Prabhupada– May 13, 1975, Perth)
“Just like yesterday you told me the students are talking about homosex. That means tamo-guna, that the education-students, they are discussing about homosex. That means tamo-guna, lusty desires, very prominent, and how to fulfill, by homosex or sex with woman. This is their subject matter, kama. So everyone in this material world infected with this tamo-guna, all lusty desires, in various ways, varieties.” (Morning Walk with Srila Prabhupada—May 11, 1975, Perth)
“Oh, it is not to be uttered. Homosex.” (Srila Prabhupada)
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Please also read:
ISKCON London’s homosex harinam tattva
Homosexual Marriages in ISKCON
Homosexual saints of Toronto
Minister approves transexual pujaris
Hridayananda homo-sex-acarya advertising homo-sex marriages
Hridayananda das Goswami Blesses Gay Male Couple
A Response to Hridayanandas Homosexual Philosophy
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