Ravindra Svarupa dasa [William Deadwyler]
The man who expanded 11 to 70: Case study of Ravindra Svarupa Das
The guru system we have today in ISKCON is the result of a “guru reform” movement spearheaded in 1984 by His Grace Ravindra Svarupa Das (RSD). This “reform movement” sought to convince the world that, though ISKCON’s GBC (Governing Body Commission) had made a huge error in unauthorisedly appointing 11 “pure devotee guru successors” to the real Guru, Srila Prabhupada, they had now become “enlightened” with the actual truth; namely, that Srila Prabhupada had left an open field for any of his disciples to succeed him as a diksa (initiating) guru – so long as the GBC gave its voting approval, which has resulted today in some 70 unauthorised gurus. We will now analyse the words and wisdom of the founder of ISKCON’s current guru system, who expanded the hoax from “11 to 70”.
Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati cause of ISKCON problems
“The real revolutionary, and the person who really has caused many of our problems today, is Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Here RSD tries to blame the mess which ISKCON is in, on the spiritual master of Srila Prabhupada, Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur!
Srila Prabhupada like mafia manager
“This is the fact, this is the Mafia. The mafia style, it wasn’t criminal, this is inherited from an old Roman style of management, it is just pre-industrial that is all. This is an old fashioned pre-industrial style of social organisation. That somehow or other survived in Palermo and places like that. I will tell you something, just to show you how intuitively recognisable that style is. There was a period of time when Ramesvara (one of the original 11 ‘hoaxer gurus’ – Ed.) was having his assistants either read the book or see the movie ‘The Godfather’, so they could learn about management. It wasn’t because it was criminal, but it was the relationship of the interchange between the leaders and the followers that was actually the essence of that style of management. And this guru…
As the zonal acharya, that is how; Prabhupada was also a manager like that.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Here RSD compares the management style of both Srila Prabhupada and the zonal acharya system (Great Guru Hoax part 1) to that of the Mafia.
Lord Krishna’s actions defective
“Krishna says in this world, any endeavour is covered with fault. Just as a fire is covered with smoke. So anything that you do in this world, it is always going to have its defects or its downside, even if it is done by Krishna himself. Lord Chaitanya released confidential information into the world about Krishna’s pastimes that were maybe not very well spread around so much. What was the result ? A sahajiya movement, and you can say well look what Lord Chaitanya did you know, He put this whole sahajiya movement here, He shouldn’t have done that, it was a big mistake.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Here RSD extends Lord Krishna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita that “every endeavour is covered by some sort of fault” (Bg. 18.48), to the activities of Lord Krishna Himself, even though in the purport to this verse, Srila Prabhupada clearly states such faulty activities only apply to conditioned souls:
“In conditioned life, all work is contaminated by the material modes of nature.”
(Bhagavad-gita As It Is, 18.48, purport)
Srila Prabhupada is ‘dead’
“I simply wish that these people (ritvik advocates) would settle this issue by writing Prabhupada a letter and letting us know what he says when he answers back.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, San Diego Ritvik Debate, 1990)
Here RSD offensively tries to demonstrate the alleged fallacy of the ritvik viewpoint by highlighting Srila Prabhupada’s physical absence.
Ritvik appoinment = Guru appointment
“Yes, Prabhupada accepted him (Kirtanananda) back and went and gave him a position of leadership. He was on the GBC, and New Vrindavan was a very important place of pilgrimage, and you know, he was one of the people whose name was on the list when Prabhupada appointed ritviks, and in the context, everybody understood that these were the people who would be the first initiating spiritual masters. Of course everyone’s big doubt about that is how that Prabhupada named these people expecting them to be spiritual masters when he knew all these things about them.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
RSD’s “guru reform” was predicated on arguing that the first 11 “gurus” were not “appointed” as such:
“There was no hand-picking of successors”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, ISKCON Communications Journal, Vol. 2, No.1, January 1994)
Yet at the same time he claims that Srila Prabhupada hand-picking and appointing 11 ritviks was the equivalent to naming 11 diksa gurus, as we see above. As if such an ambivalent fudge was not bad enough, he simultaneously tries to fudge this fudge with other nonsensical claims:
Parampara (disciplic succession) to continue via “a nod”
“because he said I shall select some of you, this is the selection that never was. I shall select some of you, that’s what he did, was he both selected and didn’t select, very cleverly or obliquely, and at arm’s length. He appointed 11 ritvik gurus, and also said you cannot become guru, unless you are qualified, now this to me, this was a nod, these are my best people. This was a nod in their direction.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, San Diego Ritvik Debate, 1990)
So on the one hand 11 ritviks were appointed to go on to become gurus, and on the other they were simultaneously selected and not selected to be gurus.
Go figure!
RSD’s problem (October 1984)
“I was asked to be in charge of a committee to research matters and find out what went wrong. What went wrong in ISKCON and what to do about it. What was wrong with the guru position and what to do about it.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
RSD’s solution – Poacher turns gamekeeper (September 1985)
“So anyway that was this meeting, then people, that is when I started initiating and became an initiating guru by the way. Our little group of people we got together and the GBC said we need three signatures, we got to have some people, so they looked at me and this the first time I really thought about this. So I got three, few signatures as they wanted in fact, Satsvarupa, Tamal Krishna Goswami and Hridayananda Maharaja, those were the signatures. So I was then an officially approved initiating guru.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Here we see how the so-called “guru reform” deal was “stitched-up”. The “guru reform” led by RSD from 1984 had to find the solution to what went wrong with the horrendous zonal acharya system in place at the time (Great Guru Hoax part 1). Very quickly, he finds the answer – to make sure he gets a share of the guru pie himself.
And WHO gives it to him?
Who signs his ‘guru papers’ for him?
3 of the 11 “zonal gurus” he was supposedly challenging and reforming. Therefore, following this supposed “guru reform”, all of the original 11 gurus (not yet fallen) who had perpetrated a monstrous hoax on the whole society for nearly 10 years that caused the “guru reform” movement in the first place, got to keep their guru positions and disciples intact, were not sanctioned in any way whatsoever, and in exchange, the guru field was opened up to the supposed “reformers” such as RSD.
And in this way the deal was cut, the “reformers” were bought-off by the zonal gurus, and everyone went home happy.
1992: RSD promotes occult astrologer
“Panditji, the astrologer and seer, had by his occult art pierced the veil of the future and seen a wonder arise, a marvel born from—of all things (I feel compelled to add)—the 1990 meeting of the Governing Body Commission of ISKCON […]
the Hare Krsna movement would manifest world-transforming power.
Panditji went so far as to specify an exact date, March 7, for the completion of the dharma-cakra. A marvel, a world-historical marvel, would be born.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, ‘ISKCON’s Dharma Cakra’, Back to Godhead, #26-02, 1992)
2000: RSD admits occult prophesy fails
“Therefore the question remains: What, then, will we do? How will we deal with our polarized and disintegrating society? […]
If we ask why ISKCON now finds itself in such an impossible position, we can only conclude that it must be due to the continuing reactions to our own sins and offenses. […]
So I have been baffled and in much distress […]
trying to pray continuously and earnestly for forgiveness for all our offenses to Srila Prabhupada, to Vaishnavas, and to dependents like women and children. Of course, now our offenses and sins against our children are foremost in mind, but these are just part of a larger pattern of offenses, ultimately to Prabhupada.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, then GBC Chairman, May 2000)
2005: RSD encourages worship of himself
“He (Bhakti Caru Swami) told us that he had recently attended the Vyasa Puja celebration of his dear friend Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu in Philadelphia. He recalled that as they were having lunch, Ravindra Svarupa Prabhu, speaking about his own Vyasa Puja celebration, said, “Actually, disciples NEED this.””
(Text PAMHO:10411392, “Vyasa Puja /Prabhupada festival”, 19 September 2005)
Ritvik is traditional
“Two deviations from Prabhupada’s order – the “zonal acarya” system and the “posthumous ritvik” system – rest on adherence to the traditional idea of leadership. […]
In the event, the Gaudiya Matha leaders disregarded this order, and instead they reverted to the traditional single-acarya rule to which they were, after all, culturally habituated.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Allegiance to Guru, to ISKCON and to Prabhupada, 1998)
Current ISKCON guru system not traditional
”What we were trying to do now you have to understand had never been done. It had just never been done and to me it’s entirely natural that in this case when you’re doing something that had never been done; when you’re going to have a single institution with many different spiritual masters and there are many different disciples who are going to have to work together in a cooperative and unified way. Just hadn’t been done.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Current ISKCON guru system based on trial and error
“How to do it? And to me the only the way you can do it is to try this and if that doesn’t work try this….. until you finally find what works out. So I think it was very difficult for anyone to foresee, so it seems that the only way to do this is by trying to do it. And see what works and what doesn’t work and Prabhupada himself said that he used the trial and error method, so I’d don’t think it is not bona-fide.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
GBC not traditional
“But he was trying to change something, and set up a GBC, but we learn that Bhaktisiddhanta had wanted the same thing to happen and it did not happen, because the idea of this GBC is not exactly traditional.”
(Ravindra Svarupa Das, Issues in ISKCON Reform lecture, June 29th-July 3rd, 1999)
Here RSD turns completely on its head the common argument used against the ritvik system set up by Srila Prabhupada, that it is unprecedented and untraditional.
Rather, RSD states that it is his guru system which ISKCON now follows which is unprecedented, created as it was through a system of “trial and error”, and further the whole system by which ISKCON is run via a GBC, is also not traditional. But the ritvik system which has a single acarya, Srila Prabhupada, is based on the traditional idea of leadership.
Clearly therefore, according to RSD, if “tradition” is to be any yard-stick, it is his guru system which runs today in ISKCON which should be ditched, rather than the ritvik system.
A shocker by Ravindra Svarupa Das at Hare Krishna Detroit “Ratha Yatra” Festival 2006
Reading something on the internet while back : – Urmila(wannabe guru) Pratyatosa’s WIFE who was VERY intimate with boyfriend Bir Krishna ALSO has VERY intimate dealings with Old boy Ravindra svarupa–who wanted her as FDG.
Some people tend to blame Pratyatosa for cracking the Jaw of the woman. But— as one can see it is difficult when a HUSBAND KNOWS about the wananbe guru AS GOOD AS GOD wife having not one but TWO boyfriends. Or—— maybe even more.
So NOW you understand why “vanasprasta” of Urmilla and Pratyatosa: they did out of court settlement with lawyers with keeping all quiet to promote her Female Diksa Guru Post remain concealed.
Urmila photo:
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=49560
Was on internet somewhere——that is all I know.
This deranged and deluded individual whilst accepting praise and worship from his sycophantic “disciples”, not only thinks he knows better than Srila Prabhupada, Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Prabhupada (and the whole sampradaya), but also Lord Krishna, Himself! The so-called “feminist, wannabe bogus gooroo women” have this guy ‘in their corner’ to push their cause also, which is a complete joke as he has abused women who displeased him by kicking them in the buttocks!
These kind of persons, who have been completely ‘brainwashed and conditioned’ by the “higher” education system (ie college, university) bring all of their conditioning and baggage along with them to try and “intellectualize” the parampara system and in the process reject all of the authority of the previous Acharyas (and Lord Krishna Himself!). We all know that his (RSD’s) management style is to kick women on the buttocks! which is the most offensive and cowardly behavior and to blaspheme and criticize all the previous Acharyas and The Supreme Lord also! Is their no end to this demon pretender’s antics?
The problem with FISKCON is clearly reprobates like him, who have NO REALIZATION due to an ever present and continual defiance of Srila Prabhupada, previous Acharyas and The Supreme Lord Himself!
How is it possible to have any understanding, realization and transcendental knowledge by continually defying and being acrimonious to The Supreme Lord and His empowered representatives of our Guru Varga? This RSD is clearly a venomous, puffed-up pretender, and is taking his ‘supporters’ to Hell by his statements and “actions”.
RSD says he prays for forgiveness of all their offenses against the children of ISKCON and devotees; yet he blasphemes Pabhupada’s Gaudiya Math Godbrothers even though it is the same Guru varga as ISKCON.. This is hypocrisy and Kali Yuga mentality. In this article, he admits he is on a mental platform suggesting it is OK for them to promote trial and error for a resolution. He is trying to usurp the authority of the entire sampradaya and Lord Krishna Himself in shastra . The answers are there of who is a qualified guru. Shrila Prabhupada instructs us in the one Nectar of Instruction purport that we should not limit Krishna consciousness to a particular land or group of people. Prabhupada insisted the Krishna consciousness belongs to the entire world and what he did spreading it worldwide was the mercy of Caitanya. His early Godbrothers and many Indian people believed it belonged only to Indian people and they were not cooperative with Prabhupada’s mood. Now, we have the GBC believing that real Krishna consciousness does not exist in the Gaudiya Matha and that the only society of true devotees are in ISKCON. ISKCON is a corporate name developed in this age for external management. Prabhupada might have made a constructively critical remark of some of his Godbrothers but we are not on the same elevated level as Prabhupada. We must have humility and not imitate Prabhupada’s comments that appear to us as criticisms and justify our offenses against Prabhupada’s Gaudiya Matha bothers. When Prabhupada departed this world no one chose Narayana Maharaja to guide us; however, it was like trying to hide the sun under a basket and a revelation of tour next acarya. He set the example and we were like bees drawn to honey, thousands of us took shelter at his lotus feet and he was exemplary. So, RSD continues to commit vaishnava aparadha against the entire Gaudiya Matha and Narayana Maharaja. You know what Narayana Swami said? “I belong to ISKCON. We ISKCON and the Gaudiya Matha fall under the umbrella of the same Guru varga in line with Caitanya Mahaprabhu. When I was initiated under one of the fallen 11 gurus, it was because I procrastinated and did not take initiation from Prabhupada. When he left us I never made any advancement for 17 years until Narayana gave me shelter. When one sits down to take Bhagavat Prasadam and becomes satisfied, we don’t need anyone to tell us if we are satisfied. We realize it as a matter of fact. There is one Prabhupada disciple on internet giving guidance to people’s inquiries but he sensors replies that he doesn’t approve of. He criticized the ISKCON GBC and the Gaudiya Matha and tells everyone we need no diksha guru. That’s like throwing the baby out with the bath water. We want to become purified, and we have been born into the darkness of ignorance. We need to have a a diksha guru present. Even Caitanya set the example and had a Guru. He has this sahajiya mentality that all we have to do is imagine a diksha guru, Prabhupada, and in an impractical way throw the idea out. He tells everyone to chant only 16 rounds a day and read Prabhupada’s books. That’s very nice but many like to be cheated and we follow fools like this and maybe make a little advancement . But we should have greed for Krishna prema. All because 11 and RSD are unqualified that does not mean Krishna will not guide us to a qualified guru to receive Nama initiation If we are sincere. The devotees following blind Gurus or neophytes will not make much advancement if any at all. The GBC failed numerous times in trying to fabricate real diksha gurus and many devotees were torn apart. Krishna pulled the rug out from under them all. Whether one believes that the Gaudiya Matha has qualified gurus or not, how will one resolve this issue. Should we speculate and concoct our own ways?
FISKCON and Gaudiya Math are not under the umbrella of the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya sampradaya, so this is due to deviation as they are BOTH impotent and irrelevant, being full of fools and rascals.
The ONLY Acharya and bona-fide representative and Diksa Guru of Brahma Madhava Gaudiya sampraday is Srila Prabhupada.
The closest person (from ISKCON) to Narayana Swami was Tamal! As we know now he was the biggest homosexual, demon who administered poison to Srila Prabhupada over a 9 month period, while dressing up as a gopi and having sex with Bhakti Caru! Narayana Swami was the biggest cheer leader of Tamal (and his deviant GBC “Vaseline Vairagya” poisoners!). What do they say about ‘birds of a feather?’
Oh! and what was that about Narayana Swami being “exemplary?”
Tamala Krishna and Kalasamvara Das were talking about me when the taxi crashed and Tamal was hurled through the front windscreen to his death! THIS IS WHY I WAS VISITED BY HIS GHOST! THIS IS WHY I SAW HIM GO DOWN TO HELL! I AM TELLING YOU THIS FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT!
Narayana Swami was a SNAKE just like Tamal! but they BOTH have hundreds of followers (like yourself). I SAW TAMAL’S CADAVEROUS YELLOW/GREEN FORM DESCENDING DOWN TO HELL! EYES LIKE LIFELESS BLACK POOLS!
You are just presenting fairy-tales and nonsense! Truth imparts knowledge and realization! One cannot deny a vision based on truth. Such vision can only come from Lord Sri Krishna and is reciprocal as a result of devotion to Srila Prabhupada! NOT RASCALS AND FOOLS!
Sankarshana dasa: You know what Narayana Swami said? “I belong to ISKCON. We ISKCON and the Gaudiya Matha fall under the umbrella of the same Guru varga in line with Caitanya Mahaprabhu.
Mahesh: Narayana Maharaja was a BOGUS man – he was ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada:
Narayan Maharaja’s Contrary Statements
PADA: (Thanks for forwarding this Laxmi prabhu,)
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To many people both inside and outside the Movement, ISKCON’s current Guru system is a complete farce. Perhaps predictably, all the scandal, falldowns and endless self-contradiction amongst Srila Prabhupada’s wannabe successors (the 80 competing ISKCON ‘Gurus’) has opened the way for yet another personality, this time from outside ISKCON, with designs on Srila Prabhupada’s legacy.
The GBC have preached for many years that everyone must have a “living, physically present Guru” (or anyone but Srila Prabhupada), and now they are reaping their reward. His Holiness Narayana Maharaja a disciple of Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrother, His Holiness Kesava Maharaja has had considerable success in attracting both ex and current members of ISKCON to his camp, by promoting his qualification as a “living, physically present Guru”, who is bona fide and won’t fall down, unlike the ISKCON Gurus.
Narayana Maharaja likes to portray himself as a mere humble servant of Srila Prabhupada, who simply wants to bring everyone to Srila Prabhupada through a deeper appreciation of his mission and teachings: “You should know who your Prabhupada is. You should know. Then you can glorify him, otherwise you cannot.” (Narayana Maharaja, Los Angeles, May 31st, 2000)
In this article we shall use Narayana Maharaja’s own words to see if he is bringing us closer to Srila Prabhupada.
Narayana Maharaja Claims To Be Srila Prabhupada’s Successor. Narayana Maharaja makes it clear that he is here not to bring people TO Srila Prabhupada, but to actually REPLACE Srila Prabhupada as his SUCCESSOR: “I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other.” (Narayana Maharaja, Murwillumbah, Australia, February 18th, 2002)
Above, Narayana Maharaja boldly stakes out his pitch in direct competition with all the ISKCON Gurus who also want to succeed and replace, not complement, supplement or assist Srila Prabhupada.
Narayana Maharaja Competes Directly With Srila Prabhupada: In pursuance of the above stated aim to replace Srila Prabhupada, Narayana Maharaja has urged his followers to distribute HIS books in preference to those of Srila Prabhupada: “Now Srila Gurudeva (Narayana Maharaja) has requested that we start what he calls ‘a second revolution’ in preaching and book distribution. He wants his books distributed in the same volume, ‘not less than Swamiji (Srila Prabhupada).'” (Gaudiya Courier, Issue 15, July 1st, 2004)
Clearly the above goal of trying to match Srila Prabhupada can only be achieved if Narayana Maharaja’s books alone are being distributed by his followers, and that is generally what is happening.
Narayana Maharaja Claims Srila Prabhupada Only Gave The “Basement”: To create the demand for his services, Narayana Maharaja claims that there is much spiritual knowledge that Srila Prabhupada failed to give, so that he can claim he has come to fill this gap: “So Swamiji has at first cleared the atmosphere. Prepared the ground…by preaching name and the sandesh of Gita… he prepared. So very important work … so he has done this task and it was so necessary for that world…for all world…he has done but he has not done everything by doing that. It was only basement.[…] But…we are deprived of that… he could not complete his work.” (Lecture given by Narayana Maharaja on September 19th, 1994)
Narayana Maharaja Claims Srila Prabhupada Gave Everything : That the above statement is not actually true, can again be proven by the words of Narayana Maharaja himself, who said the following 17 years earlier to Srila Prabhupada himself: “All of your duties are completed. You have fulfilled everything in your lifetime. There is no need to worry for anything.[…] Yes, you have done everything. Nothing is left unfinished.” (Translation of Bengali conversation between Narayana Maharaja and Srila Prabhupada from October 1977, provided by Narayana Maharaja’s own camp)
That Narayana Maharaja would go onto say the complete opposite of what he himself claimed 17 years earlier, demonstrates opportunism of the highest order. Narayana Maharaja Claims Srila Prabhupada Is Not The Founder-Acarya Of Iskcon.
This opportunism is further displayed in Narayana Maharaja’s stating that Srila Prabhupada was not the Founder-Acarya of ISKCON. It is surely a redundant point that Lord Krishna (Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) is the origin of all Krishna consciousness, so one wonders why Narayana Maharaja feels it so important to belittle Srila Prabhupada’s position and promote his own position by stating such an obvious point:
“Also you should know that Caitanya Mahaprabhu is the founder of ISKCON. Swamiji, AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja is one of the prominent acaryas in this line only. He is not founder…” (Narayana Maharaja 28th April 1999, morning speech, Caracas, Venezuela)
“Your Prabhupada, Srila Swami Maharaja, only changed the name into English. He is not the founder acarya of that eternal ISKCON… I am ISKCON. I’m not different from ISKCON. I am ‘Bhaktivedanta’ [Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayana Gosvami Maharaja]. Like father, like son. I am the real successor of Srila Bhaktivedanta Swami Maharaja, and there is no other. You should know this very openly. I am Bhaktivedanta and he is Bhaktivedanta, but he received this name after I did. I’m senior to him in this regard… I’m Bhaktivedanta, and I’m also ISKCON. Don’t think that I’m out of ISKCON.” (Narayana Maharaja, Murwillumbah, Australia, February 18th, 2002)
But according to Srila Prabhupada: “I am the founder-acharya of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness.” (Srila Prabhupada letter to Dr. Bigelow, Allahabad, January 20th, 1971)
Narayana Maharaja Deviates From Srila Prabhupada 1 : Although he claims to be a successor to Srila Prabhupada, and that Srila Prabhupada is somehow speaking through him, it should be noted that Narayana Maharaja’s teachings often seriously differ from Srila Prabhupada’s. This is what Narayana Maharaja has to say about Prahlada Maharaja, who is worshipped on every altar throughout ISKCON as a completely pure devotee of Krishna: “Prahlada Maharaja was a very bona fide bhakta, and he never wanted anything worldly, but he could not serve Krsna. His bhakti was mixed with jnana, knowledge of the Lord’s opulence.
“If you have some worldly desire, or any desire, then your bhakti may be sanga-siddha bhakti or aropa-siddha bhakti, but not pure transcendental bhakti” (Narayana Maharaja, Hawaii, February 17th, 2001)
Yet Srila Prabhupada’s verdict is very different: “Prahlada Maharaja is the topmost example of a Vaisnava” (Srimad-Bhagavatam 4.21.47, purport)
“So we see practically how Prahlada Maharaja immediately attained the state of prema… he first of all followed the instruction of Brahma, then immediately he got the favor of Lord Nrsimhadeva, and after getting that he got the prema state.” (Srila Prabhupada lecture, Mayapur, February 14th, 1976)
“Consequently, instead of accepting the results of karma and jnana, Prahlada Maharaja simply begged the Lord for engagement in the service of His servant.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.24.25) Above we see Prahlada Maharaja described as a pure devotee who actually shunned the results of jnana (knowledge).
Narayana Mahara Deviates From Srila Prabhupada 2 : Narayana Maharaja claims that Advaita Acarya (one of the associates of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu) was incapable of giving people Vraja-Bhakti (pure devotion to Krishna): “Sri Advaita Acarya…He is a part of the part of the part of the part of Krishna. Being so far away, He can preach with kirtana, but He cannot give Vraja-bhakti. Never. He is not qualified for this. Only Krishna can do this.” (Narayana Maharaja, Los Angeles, California May 31, 2000)
Contrast the above with the following verse from the Sri Caitanya Charitamrta as presented by Srila Prabhupada: “He (Advaita Acharya) delivered all living beings by offering the gift of Krishna-bhakti (pure devotion to Krishna). He explained Bhagavadgita and Srimad-Bhagavatam in the light of devotional service.” (Srila Prabhupada, Caitanya caritamrita, Adi-lila 6.28)
Thus Narayana Maharaja again disagrees with the siksa (instruction) given by Srila Prabhupada, even though he also rather immodestly claims to be his “dearmost siksa disciple”. (here are more examples of such contradictions ).
ISKCON Publication Contradicts ISKCON Founder-Acarya!
Narayana Maharaja:”I have not seen the word “ritvik” in our Vaisnava dictionary…
We have seen no such word as “ritvik”…
In our Gaudiya Vaisnava line there is no ritvik…”
(Narayana Maharaja, p.23, ISKCON Journal 1990)
The word “ritvik” and its derivatives appear 32 times in the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the most important Purana for all Vaishnavas:
Ritvik: 4.6.1 / 4.7.16 / 5.3.2 / 5.3.3 / 5.4.17 / 7.3.20 / 8.20.22 / 9.1.15
Rtvijah: 4.5.7 / 4.5.18 / 4.7.27 / 4.7.45 /4.13.26 / 4.19.27 / 4.19.29 / 5.3.4 / 5.3.15 / 5.3.18 / 5.7.5 /8.16.53 /8.18.21 /8.18.22 / 9.4.23 / 9.6.3
Rtvijam: 4.6.52 / 4.21.5 / 8.23.13 / 9.13.1
Rtvigbhyah: 8.16.55
Rtvigbhih: 4.7.56 / 9.13.3
(Srila Prabhupada, Srimad-Bhagavatam)
Narayana Maharaja: “Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura has not mentioned that so many others will do acarya, yet they have done. This is the system… So Tirtha Maharaja, Madhav Maharaja, Sridhar Maharaja, our Gurudeva, Swamiji Swamiji Bhaktivedanta Swami they all became acaryas.” (Narayana Maharaja, p.23, ISKCON Journal 1990)
“Actually amongst my God brothers no one is qualified to become acarya.” (Srila Prabhupada letter, 28.4.74)
Narayana Maharaja:”And for a newcomer, it is sure that he should be initiated by a living guru… In the parampara system living guru is essential.” (Narayana Maharaja, p.22, ISKCON Journal 1990)
“What we have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living.”
(Srila Prabhupada, lecture, 69/01/13)
“…one has to associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life.”
(Srila Prabhupada’s Srimad-Bhagavatam 3:31:48)
“So there are two kinds of association: physical and preceptorial. Physical association is not so important as preceptorial association.”
(Srila Prabhupada letter to Govinda Dasi, 18/8/69)
Narayana Maharaja Claims Srila Prabhupada Asked Him To Guide His Disciples: Narayana Maharaja has claimed that Srila Prabhupada ordered him to instruct Srila Prabhupada’s disciples:
“He ordered me, ‘Help my disciples’ […] You can get that cassette.[…] If anyone does not have belief in my statements, he can acquire and hear the cassette. At the time he spoke in Bengali so that others would not understand.” (Salt Spring Island, Canada, April 2001, pm)
This claim is based on Srila Prabhupada stating “you kindly instruct them on this matter” to Narayana Maharaja, during a Bengali conversation spoken between the two sometime in October-November 1977.
However, as will be seen from the full translation of this conversation provided by the Narayana Maharaja camp themselves, Srila Prabhupada does not say anything of the sort. Whilst reading the relevant portion of the conversation below, please pay special attention to whom the word “them” in the above sentence refers to; what was the “matter” on which Srila Prabhupada wanted Narayana Maharaja to give instruction; and “when” this instruction was meant to be given:
Srila Prabhupada: Are any of my god-brothers in Vrindavana now?
Narayana Maharaja: Yes.
Srila Prabhupada: Who?
Narayana Maharaja: Van Maharaja might be there, as well as Indupati Prabhu from Caitanya Gaudiya Matha.
Srila Prabhupada: Any more?
Narayana Maharaja: Only these two at the moment.
Srila Prabhupada: Who is Indupati?
Narayana Maharaja: He comes here often.
Bhakticaru Swami: From Madhava Maharaja’s matha?
Narayana Maharaja: Yes. No one else is here.
Srila Prabhupada: Please call both of them. Van Maharaja and him.
Narayana Maharaja: This is very good proposal by you.
Srila Prabhupada: Please sit down. They will call them.
Narayana Maharaja: All right.
Srila Prabhupada: This cutting of arguments happens sometimes…
Narayana Maharaja: These are insignificant matters in such a substantial worldwide mission. A little something here and there is of no consequence. You have done this wonderful preaching work for the benefit of the whole world. There was no self-interest. You did everything only in devotional service to Krsna for benefiting all people at large.
Srila Prabhupada: It is all by your blessings.
Narayana Maharaja: You have done a wonderful thing. It is necessary to care for and preserve this mission, and see that it is managed skilfully.
Srila Prabhupada: You kindly instruct them on this matter. I’m unable to speak.
When we see the sentence in context, those three aspects become clarified:
1) The word “them” refers to Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers who were to arrive shortly, not to Srila Prabhupada’s disciples. The word “them” comes twice before the final sentence, and both times it refers to his Godbrothers, Indupati Prabhu and Van Maharaja.
2) The “matter” on which Srila Prabhupada wanted Narayana Maharaja to instruct his Godbrothers was that they forgive him for any “cutting of arguments” he may have done in the course of his preaching.
3) And “when” was this instruction to be given? There and then. Immediately after Srila Prabhupada asks Narayana Maharaja to give instruction he states: “I’m unable to speak”. This is the reason he is asking Narayana Maharaja to make these points to his Godbrothers on his behalf when they arrive.
So here we clearly see a false claim made by Narayana Maharaja to promote his agenda as being the “real successor” to Srila Prabhupada. In conclusion, on the basis of all the above, it is clear from Narayana Maharaja’s OWN WORDS that he is not simply a “dearmost siksadisciple” of Srila Prabhupada whose aim is to help to bring us closer to Srila Prabhupada. Rather he is no different to the 80 wannabe “successor Gurus” of ISKCON, doing and saying whatever is necessary to jockey for Srila Prabhupada’s position.
https://krishna1008.blogspot.com/2014/10/narayan-maharajas-contrary-statements.html
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LCFL Life Comes From Life
Srila Prabhupada. Yes, that is stated in Srimad-Bhagavatam: sva-vid-varahostra-kharaih samstutah purusah pasuh.[4] This verse indicates that those who praise men who are like animals are no better than dogs, hogs, camels and asses. Sva means “dog,” vid-varaha means “stool-eating hog,” ustra means “camel,” and khara means “ass.”
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Frat-boy “wingnut” Deadbeatwyler has the audacity to blaspheme His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saraswati Thakur by name! This is why these circus clowns have ZERO REALIZATION! and why they are ALWAYS speculating, changing and deviating AS THEY HAVE NO POTENCY! “Educated” in the Masonic, Satanic tertiary system of materialistic, scholastic SLAUGHTERHOUSE!
His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarawati Thakur, our spiritual grandfather is a giant of uncompromising truth and compassion and a powerhouse of Krishna consciousness. To here such offensive rubbish from Deadbeatwyler makes my blood boil. The problem with ISKCON and Gaudiya Math is that they worship arsholes like Deadbeatwyler!
Sudarasana Das Vanacari: FISKCON and Gaudiya Math are not under the umbrella of the Brahma Madhva Gaudiya sampradaya, so this is due to deviation as they are BOTH impotent and irrelevant, being full of fools and rascals.
The ONLY Acharya and bona-fide representative and Diksa Guru of Brahma Madhava Gaudiya sampraday is Srila Prabhupada.
Mahesh: Very true. Gaudiya Matha bogus gurus were resposible for DISOBEYING Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura and the FISKCON crooks IMITATED Gaudiya Math bogus gurus and DISOBEYED Srila Prabhupada THE bonafide Diksa Guru.
Srila Prabhupada’s Godbrothers
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2260.htm
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Analysis of Srila Prabhupada’s Letter to Rupanuga
http://harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/12-07/editorials2250.htm
THE RESULT IS NOW EVERYONE IS CLAIMING TO BE ACARYA EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE KANISTHA ADHIKARI WITH NO ABILITY TO PREACH. IN SOME OF THE CAMPS THE ACARYA IS BEING CHANGED THREE TIMES A YEAR. THEREFORE WE MAY NOT COMMIT THE SAME MISTAKE IN OUR ISKCON CAMP. ACTUALLY AMONGST MY GODBROTHERS NO ONE IS QUALIFIED TO BECOME ACARYA. SO IT IS BETTER NOT TO MIX WITH MY GODBROTHERS VERY INTIMATELY BECAUSE INSTEAD OF INSPIRING OUR STUDENTS AND DISCIPLES THEY MAY SOMETIMES POLLUTE THEM.
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ONLY MAHA-BHAGAVATA IS DIKSA GURU: Srila Prabhupada is OUR Diksa Guru For As Long as His Books Are On The Planet
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41422
The umbrella of FISKCON and Gaudiya Math is Kali. Headquarters for Narayana Swami group is in a Masonic Temple (in Australia) overlooking the graveyard (so even the bhutas will not become purified by namabhas!). Narayana Swami talked about “the third sex” (homosexuals) as he was most likely a homosexual himself having a strong liking for homosex Tamal and homosex “kiddy rapist” Kirtananda and a big supporter of ‘poisoner fag mafia’ GBC due to his insatiable envy of Srila Prabhupada.
Satanists and Baphomet androgyny who promote current indoctrination of children with “gay shows” and “story reading” are promoting “third sex” (Satanic propaganda) to groom your kids to worship Baphomet androgyny. There are only 2 sexes! Those who practice homosexual relationships are demonic according to the shastras. When they found remains of Mr and Mrs Jones (example) after 10 years, who went missing in the desert and perished there is only 2 skeletons (with NO pronouns attached!) a female skeleton and a male skeleton BOTH EASILY IDENTIFIABLE! AS MALE AND FEMALE!
The world is run by a Satanic cult (Baphomet Androgyny). Most famous fashion models are Tranny’s, and that is also true for politicians, thespian “stars”, royalty, minstrels and clowns. These circus freaks are pedophiles, vampires and mass-murderers who sexually butcher their children from birth and use psychological manipulation (MK Ultra, mind control, hypnosis,surgery, Satanic rituals and drugs) to change them from one sex to the other. This is why there are so many ‘inverted couples!’
One example being Kanye West (born a female) and Kim Kardashian (born a male). There are literally thousands of these ‘inverted couples’ imbedded in maistream media lies and deception (some pre-op some post-op) they fill the junk, trash tabloids with rubbish stories and “fake fueds” and fake pregnancies using fake pillow “baby bumps”. This is a Satanic brainwashing cult which uses fake news stories to ‘pacify’ and distract the dumb populace while they steal your wealth, poison your food, force you to take lethal intravenous toxins, and brainwash your kids at school by “grooming them with homosexual perverts and pedophiles!”
Baphomet is Androgynous (having Female breasts and male genitalia). This “back to front”, up is down, lies are truth, male to female, female to male! crazy philosophy is Satanic control of the world. Australias biggest (US run,top secret, spy facility) Pine Gap was created by General Michael Aquino a Satanic madman, who created The Temple of Seth in the USA (search his name, this guy looks like Grandpa from the Munsters!) Aquino was involved in MK Ultra mind control, brainwashing and military intelligence.
Must see video! “How to tell a man from a woman” (bitchute)
Sudarsana Prabhu says:…This “back to front”, up is down, lies are truth, male to female, female to male! crazy philosophy is Satanic control of the world….
YES TRUE, this “crazy philosophy” (THEIR PARANOIA) is called “Gas lighting”
Gas lighting means : psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one’s emotional or mental stability, AND A DEPENDANCY ON THE PERPETRATOR (THE GOAL).
In its original meaning, Gas lighting was when a normal sane person was tricked into thinking they are now insane. (The original movie https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslight_(1944_film))
In this new use, we keep the meaning but we reverse the flow … the communist form (POWER) of gaslighting means tricking a population that is now MORALLY INSANE, into thinking that they are the new definition of normal … they might even be tricked into thinking they are MORALLY SUPERIOR.
Leave the word “mind control” with its usual meaning, i.e. tricking an entire population into becoming MORALLY INSANE. For example, abortion has become the new definition of normal and when a high-heel dancing idiot orders generals to fight to the death all for his pride and money.
We get the one-two punch (THE PROCESS).
First, they use “mind control” to trick the youth populations into becoming morally insane. Let’s leave that meaning as it is. It’s important to have a word for that specific form of treachery..
Then we use the word “gaslighting” in its fullest meaning. It now also means a form of treachery, more evil than mind control, whereby a morally insane population, is tricked into thinking that THEY ARE THE NEW DEFINITION OF SANE,SAFE AND NORMAL.
Mind control has been used successfully TO MAKE THE POPULATIONS MORALLY INSANE, especially the youth populations.
The youth populations are now being gaslighted into thinking that they are now the new definition of sane, safe and normal and MORALLY SUPERIOR.
There is no word that describes exactly this new form of treachery.
The fake news (THE TOOLS) sells at cut prices, as many dreams as you wish. These people sell fiction and will say anything just like a used car salesman. Their new product is chemical castration (THE MEANS) for THE CONTROL of the youth population.
Why this paranoid obsession TO DISTRUCT from the LIES?
A lie is like a bald spot, the bigger it gets the harder it is to cover up.
Vaisnavas worship Lord Krishna And Srimati Radharani and the male and female form is a manifestation of these principal, transcendental divine forms as jiva souls in this material world to adhere to Lord Krishna’s divine instruction, behavioral principals of piety, chastity in service to the Lord.
Satanism is the promotion of androgyne manifesting from the body of Bhaphomet which suppresses truth, honesty, piety, sattva and suddha sattva. This is why they want you to worship fakes and liars in the form of transgenders, inverted couples, homosexuals, lesbians, pedophiles, and embrace infanticide, sexual deviancy, sodomy, and depravity. This begins by gaslighting the youth to worship ‘covert’ TRANSGENDERED forms, pop stars, sports stars, to ‘attract’ them to the same sex …. thus binding them to BONDAGE and illusion!