Dear Vaiṣṇavas,
Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda!
I am an old disciple of Śrīla Prabhupāda who, for reasons that will become clear after you read the rest of this post, wishes to remain anonymous.
Many devotees have written messages pro and con the Gurukuli lawsuit. What both sides don’t know is that the lawsuit is actually Śrīla Prabhupāda’s desire. Let me explain.
When Śrīla Prabhupāda passed away I was in India. At the time of his passing I was in Delhi doing some service for the Vṛndāvana mandir. As soon as I heard of Śrīla Prabhupāda’s passing, I rushed to Vṛndāvan only to find that the samādhi ceremony had already been performed. All the devotees were shocked and lamenting in separation. All that is, except the new “gurus”, who were celebrating. Their mood was in such contrast to the rest of the devotees it really stood out.
As I entered the Vṛndāvan temple guesthouse I saw Śrīla Prabhupāda’s sister Pishima. Spontaneously I paid my daṇḍavats to her. I had known Pishima a long time and she greeted me warmly. Pishima invited me to her room in the guesthouse and I was only too glad to spend some time in her association.
At this time Pishima, as the rest of us, were engulfed in grief at the passing of our Gurudeva. Through her tears and grief, Pishima told me many confidential things that day. She implored me to keep them secret until the proper time. Accordingly I have remained silent until the present situation has made disclosure of some of her confidences appropriate.
Pishima had already confided in me in Māyāpur in 1975 that Śrīla Prabhupāda was being poisoned to death. Śrīla Prabhupāda had brought her to Māyāpur to cook for him, and for a short time I was her kitchen helper. She was very concerned at the time that there was a conspiracy among Śrīla Prabhupāda’s leading disciples and the Gauḍīya Math to murder him and take over the movement.
At our meeting in Vṛndāvan after Śrīla Prabhupāda’s disappearance, Pishima confirmed that Śrīla Prabhupāda had been poisoned. Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her specifically that his inner circle of sannyāsīs were the poisoners.
Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her many other things as well. He said that he decided to accept the poisoning as Krishna’s will. Just like Mahārāja Parīkṣit accepted Sringi’s curse, he saw it as an opportunity to leave this world and return back to home. In addition, he wanted to destroy ISKCON.
I questioned Pishima closely on this point, because it seemed to be contrary to common sense. Pishima said that Śrīla Prabhupāda had determined that the leadership of ISKCON had deviated so completely from the actual teachings of the Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava sampradāya that he wanted to destroy the organization, lest they become another Catholic Church and attempt world domination.
According to Pishima, Śrīla Prabhupāda was totally disgusted with his disciples’ failure to understand his pure Vrajabasi mood and that they became entangled in organizational politics. So he manipulated them into perfoming an elephant offense to destroy them. In this way he was just like Krishna who arranged to destroy His own family army, the Yadu dynasty, with a curse and a fratricidal war, lest they become too much of a burden for the earth.
Śrīla Prabhupāda was so humble he viewed his own life and self-preservation as nothing. At that point he was much more concerned about the continuity of the sampradāya. He sacrificed his life so that his bogus disciples would be cut down and stopped from preaching in the wrong way, from a neophyte platform.
When I asked Pishima what would happen to Śrīla Prabhupāda’s sincere disciples if ISKCON was destroyed, she explained that Śrīla Prabhupāda said that Krishna would protect them, and the devotees who had any spiritual intelligence would leave ISKCON before anything really bad happened. Events have borne this out.
Then I asked Pishima how the result of the elephant offense would manifest. She told me that Śrīla Prabhupāda predicted that the ISKCON movement would become embroiled in court cases that would destroy their properties and bank balance, stop their preaching and punish the so-called leaders. Now this is also happening.
Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed.
Pishima also told me many other things that Śrīla Prabhupāda told her that are not yet appropriate to reveal. I have kept these secrets in my heart these so many years. It is a relief to finally be able to see these predictions come true. Even though they are heavy, it assures me that Śrīla Prabhupāda knew everything all along, that Krishna is taking care of His movement, and that no cheater can cheat the greatest cheat without being thoroughly defeated in the end.
Very truly yours,
Anon Amos
Wow..such a nonsense letter! Mr anonymous must think we’re retarded.
Srila Prabhupada clearly stated many times “I never said that.” … Whoever told you that is a rascal, saying it in my name. I never said that
(74-05-08. Letter: Govinda)
Many thanks to webmaster for posting this article!
Dear Readers,
The following Paragraph is taken from the above mentioned article which we read ;
” Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. But the successor would not manifest his potency until after the present structure of ISKCON was completely destroyed.”
Here is my opinion written below in CAP letter of his writing ;
” Finally I asked Pishima how the movement would go on after all this devastation. Pishima replied that Śrīla Prabhupāda had told her that Krishna would take care, and that he had already picked one of his disciples to be his successor. ……”
GIVING THE WRITER A BENEFIT OF DOUBT THAT HE WAS TOLD BY PISHIMA THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA HAD TOLD HER THAT KRISHNA WOULD TAKE CARE …………
OK, UNDERSTOOD BECAUSE SRILA PRABHUPADA ALWAYS LEAVES THINGS IN THE HANDS OF SHRI KRISHNA.
AND THE WRITER GOES ON SAYING ; ” …. AND THAT HE HAD ALREDY PICKED ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES TO BE HIS SUCCESSOR …..”
WHEREAS WE READ FROM SRILA PRABHUPADAS’ INSTRUCTIONS ;
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!
Devotee’s: Jaya! Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.
(S.P.interview, Berkley, 1975) .
THEREFORE, MY OBVIOUS QUESTION TO THE WRITER IS ;
WHY THE WRITER GOES ON SAYING ; ” …. AND THAT HE HAD ALREDY PICKED ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES TO BE HIS SUCCESSOR …..” ?
WHEREAS SRILA PRABHUPADA SAYS SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT IN HIS BERKLEY INTERVIEW 1975 AS QUOTED ABOVE.
IS THERE ANY PROOF OF THE ABOVE SAID STATEMENT AS TO WHY SRILA PRABHUPADA WOULD SAY SO ?
OR
IS IT MERELY THE WRITER LIFTED IT OUT OF A THIN AIR HIMSELF ?
HOPE SOMEBODY CLARIFIES IT.
OM TAT SAT.
HARE KRISHNA. ALL GLORIES TO SRILA PRABHUPADA.
Amar Puri Prabhu has correctly pointed to the defects of the mental speculation of successor business quoting Srila Prabhupada: Srila Prabhupada: I will never die! :
Reporter: Who will succeed you when you die?
Srila Prabhupada: I will never die!
Devotee’s: Jaya! Haribol!
Srila Prabhupada: I will live forever from my books and you will utilise.
(S.P.interview, Berkley, 1975) .
Amar Puri Prabhu: THEREFORE, MY OBVIOUS QUESTION TO THE WRITER IS ;
WHY THE WRITER GOES ON SAYING ; ” …. AND THAT HE HAD ALREDY PICKED ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES TO BE HIS SUCCESSOR …..” ?
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Mahesh: so my question is WHY be so keen to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada???? WHY????
Srila Prabhupada has given us ENOUGH means to deliver us: his books, mp3’s, tapes, His Deity form—- so what is this NONSENSE “successor” business???
World is full of CRAZIES who want to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada as Diksa guru – Just see!
HariBol,
pamho AGTSP
This letter is a fake by David Bruce Hughes aka Dasanudasa Dasa ACBSP.
He was a US Prabhupada disciple who was doing online preaching in 2012 and was exposed as having gay BDSM sex with his close disciples in their south indian ashrama. Later he rejected his initiation from Srila Prabhupada and is now a Mayavadi running new online guru scams on youtube.
The writing style fits exactly, because as one of his characteristics was the extremely good writing skills and the constant use of diacritics in all his communications.
He also told us he was told by Prabhupada’s sister that he should leave ISKCON and become the next self-effulgent Acharya… Exactly what he is claiming in this letter
Ys
Bhakta Robin
HariBol,
here is more proof this letter is a fake by David Bruce Hughes:
http://pratyatosa.com/?P=1c
Ys
The writer is most probably a FEMALE although this has not been established100%.
The “photo” says it all (excellent choice webmaster! Prabhupada News). Srila Prabhupada is ‘revealing’ or ‘not revealing’ many things! In the photograph Srila Prabhupada is giving darshana (or class) to assembled devotees. He is clearly displaying the physical symptoms of poisoning, swollen hands and wearing sunglasses (due to ‘light sensitivity’ as a direct symptom of poisoning). His poisoner (Tamal Krishna) is standing to his left. The photo is telling the story even though Srila Prabhupada is NOT conveying this BY SPOKEN WORD to the assembled devotees present!
What Srila Prabhupada ‘reveals’ to assembled devotees (poisoners and enablers in attendance!) is one thing. What Srila Prabhupada ‘reveals’ to his sister (in confidence) is also another thing. Only to the sincere is the truth revealed not to the hordes of fools and rascals.
MR ANONYMOUS (first comment) The ‘Letter to Govinda’ (74-05-08) IS REFERRING TO WHAT? when Srila Prabhupada says “I never said that”……..NEVER SAID WHAT?
The ‘over-use’ of Prabhupada’s letters to make a point is MISLEADING as Srila Prabhupada often said DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PERSONS sometimes appearing to contradict. They are NOT NECESSARILY meant for general devotee instruction.
The following is taken from this link ; http://pratyatosa.com/?P=1c provided by BhaktaRobin ;
” According to Pishima, Srila Prabhupada was totally disgusted with his
disciples’ failure to understand his pure Vrajabasi mood and that they
became entangled in organizational politics. So he manipulated them
into perfoming an elephant offense to destroy them. In this way he was
just like Krishna who arranged to destroy His own family army, the Yadu
dynasty, with a curse and a fratricidal war, lest they become too much
of a burden for the earth. ”
From the link provided above, we can actually sense when we read the writing which appears to be the writer own personal CONCOCTED THOUGHTS because the Writer seems to know more than enough what is going on in the present Iskcon, and by using Srila Prabhupada’s sister name Pishima, he is painting a picture to the readers that these words are really coming from Pishima to him ( the Writer ) which he is writing, perhaps to fulfill of his own certain type of AGENDA through misleading the Readers.
Why we should bother to waste time and energy writing our comments on to something which is CONTRADICTORY obviously ?
Why the above posting was published which is full of contradictory and cunningly misleading writing of the Writer ?
I am rather puzzled to read the following comments ;
” Sudarsana Das Vanacari says:
9. January 2020 at 1:40 pm
Many thanks to webmaster for posting this article! ”
Sudarsana Prabhu, what are you thanking to the Webmaster for his posting this stinking article ?
I wonder, Sudarsana Prabhu, what kind of INTEREST in the excitement do you find in reading after posting this article for which you are thanking the Webmaster for ?
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Amar Puri wrote: Sudarsana Prabhu, what are you thanking to the Webmaster for his posting this stinking article ?
I wonder, Sudarsana Prabhu, what kind of INTEREST in the excitement do you find in reading after posting this article for which you are thanking the Webmaster for ?
Because Sudarsana Prabhu suggested to post this for further discussion and analysis by the devotees.
Thanks Prabhu at the Webmaster for your kind explanation of posting requested by Sudarsana Prabhu for the analysis.
That makes sense.
Therefore, Sudarsana Prabhu’s thanking to the Web Master is certainly not only appropriate but very wise also and thus, it is appreciated.
No offence to Sudarsana Prabhu, I was just curious to know the reason.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.
Sudarsana das says “NEVER SAID WHAT”?
Here’s the full letter below. plus others where Srila Prabhupada states “Never said that”, maybe this can help your mind understand the point made by Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada is presence in his books murti & lectures including his Samadhi and house in Vrindavan ISKCON, maybe you should go to Vrindavan, that way your offenses to Srila Prabhupada and his sincere devotees will be one thousand more for your future karma
74-05-08. Letter: Govinda
The enclosed newspaper story, “Krishna followers freed from police harassment,” is just further testimony of the great victory made by Caitanya Mahaprabhu in Chicago. I understand that the Chicago area is the most lucrative place in the world for distribution of our books and that you have done very careful work in getting all permission. Therefore this rumor that within a few years there will be police repression and people will have no more money to buy books and sankirtana will stop is completely bogus. Whoever told you that is a rascal, saying it in my name. I never said that. Rather sankirtana movement will expand, continuing so long as we are sincere.
74-08-08. Letter: Satsvarupa
Please accept my blessings. I beg to acknowledge receipt of your letter dated July 26, 1974 and your Vyasa Puja Offering. It is very encouraging that many professors have purchased books for themselves and are considering to order them for their students. I very much like this program of the standing orders. Try to increase it up to 50,000 such orders from the libraries. I have written to Bali Mardan Goswami in this connection. Regarding the remark that distributing a book to a professor is 100 times better than to a ordinary man, I never said that. I said it was very important.
74-09-25. Letter: Sukadeva
Regarding your question that if I have ever said that the Society authorities must suffer for the devotees under their protection, no, I never said that.
I wholeheartedly agree with what Srila Prabhupada is saying in the ‘letter to Govinda’ dated 74/05/08, (though Srila Prabhupada writes the proviso “AS LONG AS WE ARE SINCERE!”) so what is your problem?
As the Webmaster explained, I have requested this article for discussion only, not as any ‘confirmation’ of the writer.
Why are you suggesting that I associate, or hear from poisoners and/or their enablers at Krishna Balaram Mandir? These persons are deluded misfits and liars who continue to poison persons such as yourself, as is evident in your incoherent, delusional ranting and false accusations. Vrindavan is in the heart of all sincere devotees, not poisoners of Srila Prabhupada, book changers, book confiscators and venomous verbage spoken from bastardized books for the ears of sicophants and halfwits!
Sudarsana Prabhu writes ;
” MR ANONYMOUS (first comment) The ‘Letter to Govinda’ (74-05-08) IS REFERRING TO WHAT? when Srila Prabhupada says “I never said that”……..NEVER SAID WHAT?
The ‘over-use’ of Prabhupada’s letters to make a point is MISLEADING as Srila Prabhupada often said DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PERSONS sometimes appearing to contradict. They are NOT NECESSARILY meant for general devotee instruction. ”
In reply to the above comments ;
MR ANONYMOUS says:
11. January 2020 at 4:43 am
Sudarsana das says “NEVER SAID WHAT”?
” Here’s the full letter below. plus others where Srila Prabhupada states “Never said that”, maybe this can help your mind understand the point made by Srila Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada is presence in his books murti & lectures including his Samadhi and house in Vrindavan ISKCON, maybe you should go to Vrindavan, that way your offenses to Srila Prabhupada and his sincere devotees will be one thousand more for your future karma .”
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Dear Readers,
I find that MR ANONYMOUS who so ever you are, your reply to Sudarsana dasa writing, “Never said that”, which is merely a precautionary writing to the Readers is some what insulting. I may add that often people with motivated agenda write that Srila Prabhupada says this and that and so on …….. “. It is for that purpose as a precautionary measure when people use such words, it generally misleads. As a matter of fact when we actually read Srila Prabhupada’s letter the meaning is totally different.
Therefore, Anonymous writing ” …….maybe you should go to Vrindavan, that way your offenses to Srila Prabhupada and his sincere devotees will be one thousand more for your future karma .” is totally undesirable rather offensive with some what motivated intend and purpose as it appears.
Let’s be careful what we write. We are here to practise and preach Srila Prabhupada’s VANI what we learn. What we learn, know and share with others determine the result.
OM TAT SAT.
Hare Krishna. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.