Vedabase involved in secretly changing the transcripts of Srila Prabhupada.
ATTENTION – BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL IF YOU USE THE FOLIO VEDABASE!!!
Vedabase transcript manipulation analysis:
FIRST THEY CHANGED THE BOOKS, NOW THEY ARE CHANGING THE VEDABASE FOLIO TO JUSTIFY THEIR MISLEADING CHANGES – EXPOSING THE TRANSCRIPT CHANGES: VEDABASE CLIPPING OUT SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SANSKRIT VERSES AND PUTTING IN THEIR OWN TRANSLATIONS
In the analysis below, the original transcripts and changed transcripts are compared where they have cut out several small parts, and put their own concocted translations.
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PLEASE SEE COUNTERSTATEMENT AND CORRECTION
Below in the comment posting from “bhakta”.
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VEDABASE CLIPPING OUT SRILA PRABHUPADA’S SANSKRIT VERSES
AND PUTTING IN THEIR OWN TRANSLATIONS
Comment by Mahesh Raja: Everyone KNOWS that Vedabase is controlled by Jayadvaita – note at the bottom where it says “used with permission of BBTI”. Salary paid to lackeys eg Ranjit types etc.
1) Srila Prabhupada gives this encouragement: Right from the beginning of my mission, I have always stressed and encouraged my disciples to work with the college students. You should not be discouraged if people are not coming to your meetings. We are trying to please Krishna. That is all. We simply must go on with our business, to the best of our ability. We must always sincerely try to do our best with great determination. This is the transcendental position. Success or failure, this is not our business. We leave that up to Krishna. My Guru Maharaja said, it does not matter if anyone comes to hear. You go on with your chanting. If no-one hears you the walls will hear. But this does not mean that we should sit down someplace and simply chant Hare Krishna for our own benefit. We should be always anxious to save the cripple minded people with the science of Krishna Consciousness. This is the position of a Vaisnava. Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/letters/sydney/february/15/1973/satsvarupa
Srila Prabhupada said EXPOSE: —- so we expose: if Lord Krsna listens, Srila Prabhupada listens then we have done something to fulfil that order from Srila Prabhupada:
SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA
730503mw.la Conversations
Prabhupada: No, it is Sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja.(?) “In the forest a jackal has become king.” They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat.(?) When… There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making little bluish. For coloring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell in it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, “What is this animal? What is the animal? What is that animal? Oh?” All, even lion became surprised. “We have not seen this.” “So who are you, sir?” “I AM SENT BY GOD TO RULE OVER YOU.” “OH?” SO THEY BEGAN TO WORSHIP HIM AS GOD, AS LEADER. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, “Wa, wa,” but the jackals cannot stop. If others jackals cry, the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to “Wa, wa.” Oh, then, they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense. We can detect that “Here is a jackal.” SO WE HAVE TO EXPOSE THEM. THEY ARE NOT LEADER; THEY ARE JACKALS. SO JACKALS CANNOT ANYMORE RULE OVER. THAT SHOULD BE OUR PROPAGANDA. NOT ONLY SCIENTIFIC, ALL POLITICAL THINGS, SOCIAL THINGS, EVERYTHING. THEY SHOULD BE ALL KICKED OUT. THEY SHOULD BE REPLACED BY KRSNA CONSCIOUSNESS. THEN PEOPLE WILL BE HAPPY. THIS SHOULD BE OUR PROGRAM. Our, this propaganda means to make people happy. It is not a business, to make business and take some money. And so many jackals have been arrested and resigned in your… You know that? Many jackals have been obliged to resign their post in the government.
731209SB.LA Lectures
So this Krsna consciousness movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that’s all. SO THOSE WHO HAVE TAKEN THIS MOVEMENT VERY SERIOUSLY, THEY SHOULD BE VERY SOBER AND UNDERSTAND AT LEAST YOU MUST EXPOSE ALL THESE RASCALS. THAT WILL BE VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BY KRSNA. Thank you very much. (end)
“So you all write very strongly vehemently. Even it is a little offensive, still these rascals should be taught a lesson. Yes. They’re misleading. Godlessness.” (Conversations April 19, 1973)
721016SB.VRN Lectures
SO WHEN YOU BECOME ACTUALLY PREACHER OF GOD CONSCIOUSNESS, YOU CANNOT MAKE ANY COMPROMISE. YOU MUST CALL THE SPADE A SPADE. Just like Prahlada Maharaja. Prahlada Maharaja is one of the mahajanas. Out of the twelve mahajanas, he’s one of them. Because he was very bold. He was not afraid of his demonic father. He chastised him in so many ways. But he was never afraid. So just like our people are being persecuted in Australia. You know? They have been put into jail because they are preaching Hare Krsna. SO THIS IS NOT VERY EASY THING, EASY-GOING. MY GURU MAHARAJA, BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASVATI GOSVAMI MAHARAJA, HE DID NOT LIKE THAT HIS DISCIPLES WOULD BE EASY-GOING, CHEAP VAISNAVA.
Note: BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
751226mw.san Conversations
Prabhupada: Yes. That you have to prove. You can eulogize your Guru Maharaja, but you have to learn it and face the public and be strong to defend yourself. That is success. Not by praising your Guru Maharaja. You’ll praise your Guru Maharaja. That is not very difficult. BUT BE VICTORIOUS TO THE OPPOSING ELEMENTS. THEN YOU WILL PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA NICELY. AT HOME, YOU CAN PRAISE YOUR GURU MAHARAJA, AND GURU MAHARAJA BE SATISFIED, “OH, MY DISCIPLES ARE PRAISING ME.” THAT IS NOT VERY…. THAT IS GOOD. RESPECTFUL. THAT IS THE QUALIFICATION. BUT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT. THEN YOUR GURU MAHARAJA WILL BE GLORIFIED.
SB 4.14.41 T The Story of King Vena
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brāhmaṇaḥ sama-dṛk śānto | dīnānāṁ samupekṣakaḥ
sravate brahma tasyāpi |bhinna-bhāṇḍāt payo yathā
SYNONYMS –brāhmaṇaḥ—a brāhmaṇa; sama-dṛk—equipoised; śāntaḥ—peaceful; dīnānām—the poor; samupekṣakaḥ—grossly neglecting; sravate—diminishes; brahma—spiritual power; tasya—his; api—certainly; bhinna-bhāṇḍāt—from a cracked pot; payaḥ—water; yathā—just as.
TRANSLATION – The great sages began to think that although a brāhmaṇa is peaceful and impartial because he is equal to everyone, it is still not his duty to neglect poor humans. By such neglect, a brāhmaṇa’s spiritual power diminishes, just as water kept in a cracked pot leaks out.
PURPORT –Brāhmaṇas, the topmost section of human society, are mostly devotees. They are generally unaware of the happenings within the material world because they are always busy in their activities for spiritual advancement. Nonetheless, when there is a calamity in human society, they cannot remain impartial. If they do not do something to relieve the distressed condition of human society, it is said that due to such neglect their spiritual knowledge diminishes. Almost all the sages go to the Himalayas for their personal benefit, but Prahlāda Mahārāja said that he did not want liberation alone. He decided to wait until he was able to deliver all the fallen souls of the world. Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/sb/4/14/41
Srila Prabhupada in many lectures said work “without attachment”. Not with expectation of frutive results—- for for oneself:
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tasmād asaktaḥ satataṁ | kāryaṁ karma samācara
asakto hy ācaran karma | param āpnoti pūruṣaḥ
SYNONYMS – tasmāt—therefore; asaktaḥ—without attachment; satatam—constantly; kāryam—as duty; karma—work; samācara—perform; asaktaḥ—nonattachment; hi—certainly; ācaran—performing; karma—work; param—the Supreme; āpnoti—achieves; pūruṣaḥ—a man.
TRANSLATION – Therefore, without being attached to the fruits of activities, one should act as a matter of duty; for by working without attachment, one attains the Supreme. Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/3/19
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śrī-bhagavān uvāca
anāśritaḥ karma-phalaṁ | kāryaṁ karma karoti yaḥ
sa sannyāsī ca yogī ca | na niragnir na cākriyaḥ
SYNONYMS – śrī bhagavān uvāca—the Lord said; anāśritaḥ—without shelter; karma-phalam—the result of work; kāryam—obligatory; karma—work; karoti—performs; yaḥ—one who; saḥ—he; sannyāsī—in the renounced order; ca—also; yogī—mystic; ca—also; na—not; nir—without; agniḥ—fire; na—nor; ca—also; akriyaḥ—without duty.
TRANSLATION – The Blessed Lord said: One who is unattached to the fruits of his work and who works as he is obligated is in the renounced order of life, and he is the true mystic: not he who lights no fire and performs no work. Link to this page: https://prabhupadabooks.com/bg/6/1
Aside from that, – in the future the nuclear wars will be there. Satellites will be shot down by missiles – no internet, no digital currency etc but—– bullock cart— will be there. Tiling the ground with bullocks. Farm projects: Simple living high thinking—– was Srila Prabhupada’s project. Cities will be destroyed.
Srila Prabhupada said, “trust no future however certain.”
With our age 60 plus—-how long will we as tenants live in this body– when the order comes—our karma with the body is finnished—–we have to vacate——best to serve Srila Prabhupada’s order best as we can —leave the result to Lord Krsna.
As Srila Prabhupada has said — this changing of the books is serious situation-but who will listen anymore?
Hare Krsna!
ys mahesh
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PLEASE SEE COUNTERSTATEMENT AND CORRECTION
Below in the comment posting from “bhakta“.
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[Updated October 28th, 2020]
“REQUEST TO MODIFY THE VEDABASE CHANGES POST”
A news article exposing vedabase changes was posted at the link https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=51865
It is true that the tables expose the changed transcripts but none of these are actually done in the vedabase but these are coming from several social media pages that might be changing on their own.
So the source of LHS is prabhupada.io website, it’s a good website and has nearly transcripts that are exact. RHS is taken from a FB page that is named as https://m.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/ .
At first, it was thought that the Vedabase might be directly changing things secretly but it is not so for these 9 comparisons, their actual changes have been described in the following paragraphs.
So this FB page uses the reference to Vedabase, they don’t even mention which version, and this page is used by many devotees to preach and forward Srila Prabhupada’s teachings, but it looks like someone is individually changing the quotes by taking from the transcript. So it needs to be rectified. This page has been liked by a lot of prabhupadanugas who might be thinking it is a bonafide page.
In this regard no blaming archives because this looks like it is done by someone simply to post on social media.
The point of view was to find out who this person behind that FB page is also why that person is changing the quotes because so many devotees use that page to preach.
This is one issue.
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The second issue is that there’s one tape on Vedabase.io (online Vedabase version) and Prabhupada vani site which actually has 2nd edition 1976 SB insertions.
This tape should be rectified.
That tape is SB lecture on 1.7.7 on April 24,1975 in which they have inserted one sentence of new revised edition.
Request you to open the above link, and watch the video, it will give you a clear idea that they have inserted a 2nd edition translation in their Vedabase online version.
To summarise:
The first issue is that someone else(may not be archives) on fb is doing mischief and changing the snippets himself by copy pasting and clipping in between.
This is for the comparison tables sent with reference to the FB pages.
The second issue is that the archives might have actually done an insertion of 2nd edition in one transcript of which link of youtube video has been shared earlier. THIS IS THE ACTUAL VEDABASE SECRET CHANGE.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/750424sbvrn/?query=1.7.7#bb313314
In this they have inserted 1976 Sb text even if it is from 1975.
Hope now the points are crystal clear.
This now leaves room for no confusion.
If that post can be modified to exposing the names of the FB pages it will be better.
Because of these FB pages, many devotees think that this has been done by the archives but someone might be changing it themselves, we need to find who it is.
It is important to highlight both issues so that devotees can know that not everything posted on social media under the name “original” is bonafide.
Addressing this will help devotees to beware of content that is posted everywhere and keep cross checking with original things.
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[Updated October 30th, 2020]
“Article – Beware of Facebook pages posting changed transcripts and online vedabase posts”
Part 1: List of Facebook pages posting changed quotes with proofs and screenshots.
1. https://www.facebook.com/srilaprabhupada
2. https://www.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/
3. https://www.facebook.com/spdailyquotes
4. https://www.facebook.com/EveryDaywithSP
Another Facebook page, called https://www.facebook.com/theoriginaliskcon (The Original Iskcon) posts correct transcripts with Sanskrit for almost all of the time, but in one rare occasion it is found that a verse was omitted. But mostly it does not manipulate the scripts and posts the verbatims. This page is a better source than other pages that manipulate the transcripts.
There is also this website called http://harekrishnacalendar.com/ that posts manipulated daily quotes which is also one of the sources for these Facebook pages.
Some proofs that these pages do not post original quotes:
Proof 1: (showing that harekrishnacalendar.com (FB Page) https://www.facebook.com/EveryDaywithSP doesn’t post originals)
Original script:
Just like in our palms there are certain marks for a particular person indicating his fame and fortune. Similarly the Supreme Personality of Godhead has got certain signs on His Lotus Feet which are unique for Him only, and they are not to be found in ordinary living entities. [Letter to Bhurijana, October 28,1969]
Pictures showing revised script:
PIC IS MISSING
Original script:
So our engagement should be on that point, that these people will not easily understand, so we are not going to waste time for nothing. If anybody calls for meeting and lecturing, we must charge. Yes. And if they want to hear free, they may come to our temple. Don’t become cheap. You see? My Guru Mahārāja used to say that, photar kathara sei usane na (?): “If somebody becomes cheap, then nobody hears him.” Especially in this country. If you become free speaker, then he’s not taken into very seriously . [Room conversation, Montreal, October 27,1968]
Pictures showing revised script:
PIC IS MISSING
Most of the devotees use the posts from such pages to share among others, but it is necessary to spread an awareness about this site that its not original.
This is not just for 2 days but one can compare them with other days too. [Please look very closely to see the changes]
Proof 2: Showing that these facebook pages do not use original scripts.
The left hand side shows the original transcripts and right hand side shows revised transcripts.
1. LHS Source: Original audio script
RHS source: FB pages using the “reference to vedabase without mentioning the version of it“. This might seem like the vedabase has changed but this needs to be found out as to who is doing what. For example:
https://www.facebook.com/srilaprabhupada , https://www.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/
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Part 2: Actual secret vedabase changes.
Vedabase transcript manipulation analysis with screenshots and videos.
Proof 1: This tape should be rectified.That tape is SB lecture on 1.7.7 on April 24,1975 in which they have inserted one sentence of new revised edition.
BBTI CUTTING IN SRILA PRABHUPADA’S LECTURES:
https://arsaprayoga.com/2019/01/02/bbt-international-cutting-in-srila-prabhupadas-lectures/
Kindly open the above link, and watch the video, it will give you a clear idea that they have inserted 2nd edition translation in their Vedabase online version.
Proof 2: Excerpts from vedabse.io (vedabse online version that has already removed original pre 1978 books) showing that they insert post-1978 unauthorised translations even when the lectures are delivered from original books.
Excerpt 1: (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/681213bg-los-angeles/?query=initiator+presence#bb533675)
Bhagavad-gītā 2.40-45
Type: Bhagavad-gita
Date: Dec. 13, 1968
Location: Los Angeles
Addition of SB 11th canto translations which was not even translated back then.
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So in this verse Kṛṣṇa advises Arjuna, “My dear Arjuna, these Kṛṣṇa consciousness activities, even if you achieve one percent result… What is that result? Bhakti. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42].
[Devotion, direct experience of the Supreme Lord, and detachment from other things—these three occur simultaneously for one who has taken shelter of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in the same way that pleasure, nourishment and relief from hunger come simultaneously and increasingly, with each bite, for a person engaged in eating.]
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The best thing is that why not finish cent per cent in this life? Why should we indulge in materialistic way of life, sense gratification? That we have tried in many lives. This is human form of life, and there were many other lives also. We had been in the water, aquatics; we had been in the vegetable kingdom; we had been animals; we had been worms. So many. This is the highest boon. Labdhvā su-durlabham idaṁ bahu-sambhavānte [SB 11.9.29].
[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas Kṛṣṇa consciousness is possible only for a human being.]
Excerpt 2: (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/681030ip-los-angeles/)
Insertion of 2001 Isopanishad Edition translations. Isopanishad 2001 is almost similar to 1974 except few changes. The Isopanishad was also changed in 1974 without Srila Prabhupada’s approval and its proof can be found below.
Regarding Sri Isopanisad changes:
Yaśodā-nandana: In the Gurukula we were teaching Īśopaniṣad class to the children. So we took… [break] …Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They’re changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.
Srila Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on? [Rascal editors conversation ,June 22,1977, Vrindavan]
Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Mantra 1 Type: Sri Isopanisad Date: Oct. 30, 1968 Location: Los Angeles
īśāvāsyam idam sarvaṁ
yat kiñca jagatyāṁ jagat
tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā
mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam
[Īśo mantra 1]
[Everything animate or inanimate that is within the universe is controlled and owned by the Lord. One should therefore accept only those things necessary for himself, which are set aside as his quota, and one should not accept other things, knowing well to whom they belong.]
kurvann eveha karmāṇi
jijīviṣec chataṁ samāḥ
evaṁ tvayi nānyatheto ‘sti
na karma lipyate nare
[Īśo mantra 2]
[One may aspire to live for hundreds of years if he continuously goes on working in that way, for that sort of work will not bind him to the law of karma. There is no alternative to this way for man.]
asuryā nāma te lokā
andhena tamasāvṛtāḥ
tāṁs te pretyābhigacchanti
ye ke cātma-hano janāḥ
[Īśo mantra 3]
[“The killer of the soul, whoever he may be, must enter into the planets known as the worlds of the faithless, full of darkness and ignorance.”]
anejad ekaṁ manaso javīyo
nainad devā āpnuvan pūrvam arṣat
tad dhāvato ‘nyān atyeti tiṣṭhat
tasminn apo mātariśvā dadhāti
[Īśo mantra 4]
[“Although fixed in His abode, the Personality of Godhead is swifter than the mind and can overcome all others running. The powerful demigods cannot approach Him. Although in one place, He controls those who supply the air and rain. He surpasses all in excellence.”]
tad ejati tan naijati
tad dūre tad v antike
tad antar asya sarvasya
tad u sarvasyāsya bāhyataḥ
[Īśo mantra 5]
[“The Supreme Lord walks and does not walk. He is far away, but He is very near as well. He is within everything, and yet He is outside of everything.”]
yas tu sarvāṇi bhūtāny
ātmany evānupaśyati
sarva-bhūteṣu cātmānaṁ
tato na vijugupsate
[Īśo mantra 6]
[“He who systematically sees everything in relation to the Supreme Lord, who sees all living entities as His parts and parcels, and who sees the Supreme Lord within everything never hates anything or any being.”] (The highlighted word “systematically” was inserted in 2001 edition which was absent in 1974)
yasmin sarvāṇi bhūtāny
ātmaivābhūd vijānataḥ
tatra ko mohaḥ kaḥ śoka
ekatvam anupaśyataḥ
[Īśo mantra 7]
[“One who always sees all living entities as spiritual sparks, in quality one with the Lord, becomes a true knower of things. What, then, can be illusion or anxiety for him?”]
sa paryagāc chukram akāyam avraṇam
asnāviram śuddham apāpa-viddham
kavir manīṣī paribhūḥ svayambhūr
yāthātathyato ‘rthān vyadadhāc chāśvatībhyaḥ samābhyaḥ
[Īśo mantra 8]
[“Such a person must factually know the greatest of all, the Personality of Godhead, who is unembodied, omniscient, beyond reproach, without veins, pure and uncontaminated, the self-sufficient philosopher who has been fulfilling everyone’s desire since time immemorial.”]
andhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti
ye ‘vidyām upāsate
tato bhūya iva te tamo
ya u vidyāyām ratāḥ
[Īśo mantra 9]
[“Those who engage in the culture of nescient activities shall enter into the darkest region of ignorance. Worse still are those engaged in the culture of so-called knowledge.”]
anyad evāhur vidyayā-
nyad āhur avidyayā
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
[Īśo mantra 10]
[“The wise have explained that one result is derived from the culture of knowledge and that a different result is obtained from the culture of nescience.”]
anyad evāhuḥ sambhavād
anyad āhur asambhavāt
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
[Īśo mantra 10]
[“The wise have explained that one result is derived from the culture of knowledge and that a different result is obtained from the culture of nescience.”]
vidyāṁ cāvidyāṁ c yas
tad vedobhayaṁ saha
avidyayā mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
vidyayāmṛtam aśnute
[Īśo mantra 11]
[“Only one who can learn the process of nescience and that of transcendental knowledge side by side can transcend the influence of repeated birth and death and enjoy the full blessings of immortality.”]
andhaṁ tamaḥ praviśanti
ye ‘sambhūtim upāsate
tato bhūya iva te tamo
ya u sambhūtyām ratāḥ
[Īśo mantra 12]
[“Those who are engaged in the worship of demigods enter into the darkest region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the impersonal Absolute.”]
anyad evāhuḥ sambhavād
anyad āhur asambhavāt
iti śuśruma dhīrāṇāṁ
ye nas tad vicacakṣire
[Īśo mantra 13]
[It is said that one result is obtained by worshiping the supreme cause of all causes and that another result is obtained by worshiping what is not supreme. All this is heard from the undisturbed authorities, who clearly explained it.]
sambhūtiṁ ca vināśaṁ ca
yas tad vedobhayaṁ saha
vināśena mṛtyuṁ tīrtvā
sambhūtyāmṛtam aśnute
[Īśo mantra 14]
[One should know perfectly the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa and His transcendental name, form, qualities and pastimes, as well as the temporary material creation with its temporary demigods, men and animals. When one knows these, he surpasses death and the ephemeral cosmic manifestation with it, and in the eternal kingdom of God he enjoys his eternal life of bliss and knowledge.]
hiraṇmayena pātreṇa
satyasyāpihitaṁ mukham
tat tvaṁ pūṣann apāvṛṇu
satya-dharmāya dṛṣṭaye
[Īśo mantra 15]
[O my Lord, sustainer of all that lives, Your real face is covered by Your dazzling effulgence. Kindly remove that covering and exhibit Yourself to Your pure devotee.]
Excerpt 3: (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/670104bg-new-york/)
Insertion of SB 1976 edition of SB 1st canto translation.
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Bhagavad-gītā 10.4 Type: Bhagavad-gita Date: Jan. 4, 1967 Location: New York
“Therefore next two words after kṣamā, satyam. Satyaṁ yathā dṛṣṭy-artha-viṣayaṁ para-hita-bhāṣaṇam[?]. Satyam means you should speak the actual truth. You should not flatter. You should not flatter for sense gratification. Satyam. Satyaṁ paraṁ dhīmahi. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam the definition of truth, Absolute Truth, is given there. What is that? Janmādy asya yataḥ [SB 1.1.1]:
[O my Lord, Śrī Kṛṣṇa, son of Vasudeva, O all-pervading Personality of Godhead, I offer my respectful obeisances unto You. I meditate upon Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa because He is the Absolute Truth and the primeval cause of all causes of the creation, sustenance and destruction of the manifested universes. He is directly and indirectly conscious of all manifestations, and He is independent because there is no other cause beyond Him.
It is He only who first imparted the Vedic knowledge unto the heart of Brahmājī, the original living being. By Him even the great sages and demigods are placed into illusion, as one is bewildered by the illusory representations of water seen in fire, or land seen on water. Only because of Him do the material universes, temporarily manifested by the reactions of the three modes of nature, appear factual, although they are unreal. I therefore meditate upon Him, Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is eternally existent in the transcendental abode, which is forever free from the illusory representations of the material world. I meditate upon Him, for He is the Absolute Truth.]
Note: It is argued that the 76 version of SB Canto 1 closely represents the Delhi Bhagavatams, but this is not the case here. With a deeper introspection, it is found that the 76 edition is considerably different from the Delhi Bhagavatam sets.
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Śrī Īśopaniṣad, Mantra 1
Type: Sri Isopanisad
Date: Oct. 30, 1968
Location: Los Angeles
Dṛḍha-vratāḥ means fixed up, without being tilting, tottering in any circumstances. Ahaituky apratihatā… [SB 1.2.6]
[The supreme occupation [dharma] for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted to completely satisfy the self.]
So we should not have abhorrence or attachment. Suppose we have got this microphone. But sometimes there is no microphone; we have to say, lecture, in some jungle, where there is nothing available, neither like this seat. So whatever is available, that’s all right.
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Please check this comparison table above that proves the translation is from 76 editions.
Major issue of vadabase.io-Linking of every Sanskrit verse spoken by Srila Prabhupada to the translations of post 1978 editions. This issue is present in almost every transcript
For example,
Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 6.1.15
Type: Srimad-Bhagavatam
Date: Aug. 1, 1971
Location: New York
There must be some reaction. Whatever you do, there must be reaction. And that reaction you’ll be entangled. That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā: yajñārthe karma anyatra karma-bandhanaḥ [Bg. 3.9]. Either you do good work or bad work, if it is for sense gratification, then you’ll be entangled. But yajñārthe karma, if you do for kṛṣṇa-yajña, then you are free. So this process, recommended by Śukadeva Gosvāmī—kevalayā-bhakta—take to devotional service, this Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and everything, all other things, will be automatically adjusted.
na tathā hy aghavān rājan
pūyeta tapa-ādibhiḥ
yathā kṛṣṇārpita-prāṇas
tat-puruṣa-niṣevayā
[SB 6.1.16]
Here references such as [Bg. 3.9] etc get linked to the Bhagavad Gita changed versions when we click on them.
This issue should be paid attention to because Srila Prabhupada always read from his first edition books and also made disciples read the verses and purports from original books. These references should not in any case be linked to the changed translations, but must be redirected to the original books.
To conclude, both part 1 and 2 address a major issue that needs to solved very quickly that is, manipulating the tapes according to one’s concoction. These issues are most of the times not detected, and it is necessary to consider the impact on the devotees who use these sources to preach everywhere. A necessary action should be taken to stop these things immediately.
“Vinaasha Kaale Viparitha Bhuddhi”
All these cheatings are being noticed by Lord of Death, far better are the
humble Lord fearing so called “ignorant” and “illiterate” persons who
simply carry on their prescribed occupational dharma without
falling prey to the so-called ISK’CON “gurus”
Kali Yuga personified is playing tricks, and it’s high time that Most
Powerful administrators of the calibre of Maharaj Prahlada,
Maharaj Parikshit, Maharaj Ambarish should make their holy-descent
to check further degradation and to protect their “children” of
this tiny Earth planet.
Hare Krishna
Please take down the first few paragraphs from the post and please rename the title to “ALERT: BEWARE OF FEW FACEBOOK PAGES POSTING CHANGED SRILA PRABHUPADA’S TRANSCRIPTS”
These kind of changes are NOT DONE IN VEDABASE 2017. If you have doubts, please download it yourself and verify.
Yes the recent vedabase versions .do not have original books, but we can’t accuse them for what they did not do as is the case here.
While the tables of comparison are true here, THE CHANGED SNIPPETS IN THE RIGHT COLUMN COME FROM FEW FACEBOOK PAGES. These are the only two facebook pages that post such changed transcripts and are often forwarded on various other platforms.
It is mandatory to inform devotees about the 2 social media pages whose links are posted below.
https://www.facebook.com/srilaprabhupada
https://www.facebook.com/onlyprabhupada/
How this is identified? These 2 pages are only ones that use the reference line staring with “>>>
Ref. VedaBase => ” and nowhere any other similar line is found. We can easily come to know that these are the pages that do the changes.
These are the only pages that keep posting such changed transcripts like removing sanskrit verses or even changing any purports,etc.
100s of devotees like and share their posts which are indeed misleading.
Because of these 2 pages, the devotees might be thinking of accusing the Vedabase for changing the transcirpts, but now the cause is known.
If possible please approach the owners of facebook pages given above and ask them to post original scripts.
Please clear this confusion, and change the headline for the same as quickly as possible.
Also please delete the paragraphs that say that vedabase is doing all this, but replace them by alerting devotees about these 2 facebook pages
It is necessary to educate devotees about these 2 fb pages that they aren’t posting original transcripts, as most devotees use these 2 for preaching.
Hare Krishna
Pamho agtacbsp, Ramachandra vijayotsava ki jai, appearance day of madhavacarya ki jai, Sri Krishna say whoever do a false statement have to suffer about that but they don’t care because they born gunda actually the material world is a dinamic recycle of duplicate images reflections and false designation by using the same thing to get rid of that thing that make us polluted in this huge pollution of false I and mine after all we born naked and naked will depart only the sukrti keeping going until we get the complete and permanent residence in the paravyoma but is not by making fake statement they have to suffer about that agtacbsp ys haribol
Jayadvaita the BOOK CHANGER is ENVIOUS of Srila Prabhupada:
ISKCONspiracy Envious Jayadvaita vs Srila Prabhupada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C6RUmW0YQQ&pbjreload=101
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Jayadvaita can NOT be trusted:
http://www.iskcon-truth.com/bbti-stolen-copyrights.html
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Srila Prabhupada on Editing His Books – 5000 Changes and Counting
http://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=13719
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https://bookchanges.com/krsna-book-complete-list-of-changes/
First! Get THE HELL OFF FACEBOOK. It is a demonic entity bent on countering truth. The longer you stay on it giving it money and attention the more it strengthens for ill. STOP FEEDING THE BEAST!
Second! Let’s hear from the leaders who posted this. Let them pose solutions for this instead of just crying the blues in front of their computer key boards. When are the brahmana’s and leaders of our society going to show up?
See this top posting today? “Links for Srila Prabhupāda Amṛtam (books, audio, video, photos)”
Now thanks to this valiant effort we have more ammunition countering the evil changers. So what use are these tools if we do not use them to fight? The best way to fight is to take the Hare Krsna movement back to the streets. To teaching daily in person or on line or in a Nam Hatta set up to everyone.
We know what to do so let’s hear about what is being done to counter these in house demons and have those glorious reports posted. We all tire of hearing the successes of the demons while the world suffers from a very serious lack of leadership and teachers.