Pankajanghri prabhu’s “Serving the Demons” Question
Dear PADA: Is it not possible like sometimes even pure devotees like Akrura and Vidura are on the wrong side due to force of circumstances? Just being on the wrong side doesn’t necessarily degrade them. Can you clarify this doubt prabhu?
PADA: There are examples of great devotees evidently serving the cause of the demons:
1) Lord Shiva. He is constantly encouraging and enabling the demons, even to the point of allowing them to take over the planets of the demigods. Of course this is all Krishna’s pine lila. The Lord has an aspect that sometimes encourages the demons, because Krishna wants to fulfil their desires to be demons — to some extent — but only on a limited scale. Some souls wanted to be fully independent of the Lord. And He sometimes encourages that desire — but it is never serious — because in the end all of the plans of the demons are frustrated and ruined.
Notice, the demons never actually “take over the universe” for any really lasting duration of time. All of these demons have to eventually be defeated and die, and Krishna knows that in advance. So it is a form of lila, it is not actually a substantial argument for us conditioned souls to support the demons.
Generally, even after the demons take over temporarily, they are defeated and eliminated. This is simply an example of Krishna allowing the demons to think they are winning, but He always knows — that never happens in the end.
It is not a program that EVER ends in success in any case. And we conditioned souls should not attempt to take on — and duplicate — such a lila ourselves. It is WAY over our level of spiritual realization. We neophytes need to follow the instructions of the acharyas to — avoid assisting the demoniac.
2) Narada Muni. He is sometimes encouraging the demons, and is criticized for giving them sympathy and advice. I read a Hindu web page that alleges Narada Muni once sang a song of praise for Hiranyakasipu, and he did a silly dance to appease that asura. So this is another example of lila. Narada Muni is an agent of Krishna and he might encourage the demons — because he knows the future fate of the whole situation.
And that is evidently why Narada Muni is sometimes known as a sort of prankster joker, he knows the future of the whole situation and so he laughs at their attempts to conquer the Lord, since he has seen hundreds of thousands of these cases — fail. And so he sort of acts as a pastime enhancer.
Thus Krishna sometimes uses Narada Muni to be a fire starter for some lila or another, but again that has nothing to do with us conditioned souls trying to imitate these lilas. And all of the demons who get his “help,” end up defeated anyway, which Narada Muni knew in advance was going to be the case. We cannot promote demons in ISKCON and expect ISKCON to thrive, it will be defeated and destroyed. And it has been.
Some demons wanted to kill Narada Muni and he told them, it is impossible for you to kill me in any case. Evidently, he has a non-material boody. We do not. We are nowhere near his level and so we should never think we can do what he is doing.
3) Bhishma. He also evidently fought with the wrong side. However, he wanted to see Krishna come after him in Krishna’s military fighting mood, and he begged Krishna to kill him in this fighting mood. So this is also a lila. Bhishma is fighting with Krishna to see the Lord’s military lila and again, we conditioned souls cannot imitate. Then again, Bhishma was defeated because, he was on the wrong side. It means, suppose we want to fight Krishna just to see His militant activity against us, we will not win that fight, and neither will ISKCON — if it fights the Lord.
4) Vidura. Vidura was in the Kaurava house due to a curse. At the same time, he was acting as a spy to help feed information to the Pandavas, which saved the Pandavas from various plots. Again, this is ALL lila. And in the end, Vidura did speak up and protest. Vidura was always advising the Kauravas to make peace with the Pandavas, he was not really encouraging them to attack at any stage.
5) Akrura. Akrura was acting as a liaison between Krishna and Kamsa. Again, this is lila. There had to be some way for coordinating the lila of Krishna entering Mathura, and Akrura had that task. He was serving Kamsa in order to enact a lila, and that means he was serving Krishna properly. Again, we neophytes cannot try to imitate these pastimes.
Besides that, it is not “Krishna’s lila” to support a deviant acharya’s group. We cannot really find any examples of great devotees supporting an illicit sex with men, women and children guru’s program. That lila never seems to happen with any great devotees, because it is evidently not lila, it is illusion.
6) Putana. She wanted to poison Krishna, but she ended up being killed by Krishna and going back to Vaikuntha. Therefore, we do not know for sure how her previous births and actions lead her to that stage. She was obviously a special case lila scenario, which we cannot duplicate or imitate. Rather, the example of Putana is, we should not tolerate child abusers.
In the end, us neophytes are ordered to follow the instructions of the acharyas — and not to try and imitate great souls who appear to have some form of compromise with the demons. Our position is very neophyte, we cannot artificially think we are another Lord Siva, Narada Muni, Bhishma, Vidura, Akrura, Putana etc.
These souls are engaged direct in Krishna’s lila, and so they have a license to appear as encouraging the demons. Even Krishna Himself sometimes encourages the demons, “Oh yes, you failed to kill Me this time, so try again and maybe you will kill me on the next attempt.” All of this is lila, and it is not something we neophytes should attempt, or even dream to attempt.
At the same time, the GBC’s program has been — to promote the worship of illicit sex with men, women and children as God’s gurus / acharyas / parampara members / successors; and to ban, beat, molest, sue and kill the Lord’s Vaishnavas. There is no way Krishna and Srila Prabhupada would have wanted any of their followers to assist that process.
Apart from that, when it comes to the protection of women and children, it is the duty of all adult human beings to do that. It is not something that has to be done only in certain examples by very advanced souls. ISKCON has failed to protect its women and children, which is the duty of all members of human society as stated in the Vedas and as is practiced by all bona fide religions.
When little children are being starved, beaten, abused, molested — and there is an “anal reconstructive surgery epidemic” (and then resultant suicides of victims) then all normal, sane and moral humans know they have a duty to protest and rectify that situation. This is not rocket science. This is not something only known to devotees of Krishna, all regular normal human beings know they have a duty to protest that process — or they will not be counted as basic level human beings.
All the more need to protest when the victims are the personal property of a spiritual institution being conducted in the name of Krishna. We need to not only protect the children, but we need to protect Krishna’s name from being associated with an odious molester messiah’s regime. We have a double duty — to protect the society’s children, and a duty to protect the name of Krishna from being associated with mistreating children. Then again, we have a duty to protect all children everywhere from abuse and exploiting, just as a normal function of being a basic moral human being.
Even when the Titanic was sinking, women and children got onto the lifeboats first, because protecting women and children has been the policy for all human society since time immemorial. It is not some highly abstract and advanced concept, it is the foundation of even the mundane society. ys pd
It seems like there is no escape from the karma of neglecting to protect our guru’s mission from being overtaken by a molester messiah’s project.
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From Ronald Singh:
Pankajanghri admitted to molestation of a women in Mayapur and was reprimanded by the GBC for the incident. This I personally saw the paper posted in the Ashram bulletin board and temple bulletin board, as well as the person PJ molested told me personally. It was a huge incident in Mayapur, if she had went to the authorities, the whole TOVP would have probably been stopped. Why would anybody glorify people who committed such abominable activities?
Pankajangri Departs / Mahasringha very ill
Jananivasa and Pankajanghri / Dr. Frankenstein’s Helpmates?
Pamho agtacbsp,dvadasi ki jay, although we are all eternal,we are all in the list to leave this body,mrtyu Maharaj don’t save nobody,then everyone get different destination according to his own guna and karma,many Varna Sankara and asura are dying with this dangerous virus , India surpass 21 million death got the worse until now and they still burning a lot of bodies,so chanting the holy names of Sri Krishna is require at the moment since at any step there’s danger padam padam yad vipadam agtacbsp ys haribol
As long as there is no apparent accountability for crimes against humanity then the world has no hope left. It is quite apparent that justice is not being seen. At the same time as long as there is no dialogue regarding the obvious lack of world Hari Nam then one may come to the conclusion that the original Hare Krsna movement has ended, If not then where is the evidence that the original instructions from Srila Prabhupada are increasingly being implemented world wide? All of Srila Prabhupada’s temples are closed indefinitely. Their management go along with the lockdowns like in a giant prison and no one dares to speak out. Those criminals within the Hare Krsna movement continue to thrive and not held accountable. The worst is yet to come. Don’t be fooled by the constant back and forth rhetoric. we are all on our own, Fight or die.
The United States of America is now a Communist Nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnVmVl6UODE&list=PL4iyYu76IW5MuGy3l2DlcOtmE8RqqKQOM&index=8
The biggest demons are persons such as Bill Gates (Illuminati Compass Star Rose/Rose Stellar Ventorum). So it is a case of the pot calling the kettle ”black” as PADA was/is and continues to be a big supporter of Gates, GMO food (which causes sterility and early death), Gates’ own brand of GMO ”plastic meat” and bogus rascals and theives such as the ‘Mad Bandit’ (Bangalore) who are enthusiastic promoters of Gates; GMO “food” and Vaccination programs.
The highest concentration of deaths in India are the places with the highest mRNA jab rate, so this is the real killer. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. The more ”affluent” and ”educated” Indians are pushing into the lines of those on the killing floor brainwashed by Modi’s Technocracy and media fake news which is a puppet of Big Pharma.
The ‘Mad Pundit’ (Bangalore all-Indian Iskcon group) is definitely an enthusiastic promoter of Gates Vaccination programs, GMO “food at all of his food factories bringing in millions of dollars.
The ‘Mad Pundit’ and his brother-in-law became very wealthy with their government connections (who control them).
Read what the Bandit writes in a recent article:
“While our health care workers and the government are doing their best to contain the crisis, our bounden duty is to join hands with them”.
Read the full article printed in Bangalore “Times Of India” here;
https://www.iskconbangalore.org/blog/become-a-role-model-for-friends-and-family/
MPD never mentions Srila Prabhupada because he is here to promote himself and get the Indian donors beLIEving in him as a holy Godman for more power and fame that he thrives on.
ISKCON & government agent MPD will never promote the truth on what’s really going on, Indian government agents infiltrated ISKCON a long time ago to control the temples and he is one of their best agents.
“Being cheated by those who mislead people in the name of hari-katha has become a sort of religion in this age” (Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura)