WARNINGS TO THE SANSKRIT EDITORS BY SRILA PRABHUPADA
NOTE: Srila Prabhupada warning his disciples NOT to fool with the sanskrit language thinking now “I am a great pandit” and then changing the Acaryas own words to suit their own agenda of (mis)understanding.
Srila Prabhupada: Sanskrit grammar is very difficult. It requires twelve years to learn simply Sanskrit grammar. So, that is not possible. So whatever is there, you understand that. Sanskrit grammar is very, very difficult. At least twelve years it requires. And if you understand Sanskrit grammar, then you can read all the Vedic literature without any translation. Simply by studying. Therefore the Sanskrit scholars are first of all taught grammar. And when one is expert in reading grammar properly, then all Vedic literature becomes very simplified.
Srila Prabhupada: “I am also practically finding that if any of our students artificially try to become scholars by associating with unwanted persons they become victimized, for a little learning is dangerous, especially for the Westerners. I am practically seeing that as soon as they begin to learn a little sanskrit immediately they feel that they have become more than their guru and then the policy is kill guru and be killed himself.” (Vrindaban 18 September, 1976)
“So better remain a foolish person perpetually to be directed by Guru Mahārāja. That is perfection. And as soon as he learns the Guru Mahārāja is dead, “Now I am so advanced that I can kill my guru and I become guru.” Then he’s finished.”
“The nonsense, they are correcting my translations. Rascal. […] The rascal editors, they are doing havoc […] So on the whole, these dangerous things are going on.” (Srila Prabhupada, Conversation, 22/6/77)
“Sometimes people ask our students whether you have learned Sanskrit. But Kṛṣṇa consciousness understanding does not depend on Sanskrit scholarship. That is the teaching of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu.“
“The Vedic mantras are received not by learning Sanskrit, but by hearing from the authorized person. Therefore it is called śruti. It is in Sanskrit because there was no other language. Sanskrit was the only language. So now they’re being translated into English. So it doesn’t matter whether it is in Sanskrit or English, one has to learn it by hearing from the proper person. That is wanted. It is… The Vedic mantras are called śruti, not Sanskriti. (laughter). It is called śruti. Śruti means the first business is hearing. Tad-vijñānārthaṁ sa gurum evābhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). What is the purpose of going to guru? Means to, guru is the authorized person from hear…, from him hear. So it doesn’t require that one has to learn Sanskrit. We have got so many disciples. It is not that they first of all learned Sanskrit. They heard. It may be in Sanskrit language or in English language. It doesn’t matter. Let him hear the real fact. That is wanted. Although the Vedic mantras are in Sanskrit, the process to understand is to hear. To hear it may be any language, to hear and understand, then he becomes perfect. It is not the Sanskrit language. It is the hearing which is important.” (June 28, 1976, Vrndavana
Jan 21 1970 letter Jayapataka
This is Sankara’s last instruction to his followers, and the purport is that the mayavadi philosophers are very much accustomed to draw favorable meanings from unwanted interpretations by grammatical jugglery. In Sanskrit the grammatical jugglery is a great puzzle, there are many words which can be changed into different meanings by grammatical root derivations and affixing and prefixing pratyayas. So Sankara advised that do not try to exact favorable conclusions by beating the Sastras, but be submissive to Lord Govinda and worship Him. Otherwise, this grammatical jugglery of words will not help you at the time of death. At that time only if you can someway or other remember the Lotus Feet of Govinda, Krishna, that will save you, O’ the fool number-one. Don’t waste your time in misinterpreting the sastras.
I hope this will find you in good health.
Your ever well-wisher,
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Adi 8.15 : PURPORT :
Śrīla Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvati Ṭhākura comments in this connection that people in general, in their narrow-minded conception of life, create many different types of humanitarian activities, but the humanitarian activities inaugurated by Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu are different. For logicians who want to accept only that which is proven through logic and argument, it is a fact that without logic and reason there can be no question of accepting the Absolute Truth. Unfortunately, when such logicians take to this path without the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, they remain on the platform of logic and argument and do not advance in spiritual life. However, if one is intelligent enough to apply his arguments and logic to the subtle understanding of the fundamental spiritual substance, he will be able to know that a poor fund of knowledge established on the basis of material logic cannot help one understand the Absolute Truth, which is beyond the reach of imperfect senses. The Mahābhārata therefore says: acintyāḥ khalu ye bhāvā na tāṁs tarkeṇa yojayet. (Mahābhārata, Bhīṣma-parva 5.22) How can that which is beyond the imagination or sensory speculation of mundane creatures be approached simply by logic? Logic and argument are very poor in spiritual strength and always imperfect when applied to spiritual understanding. By putting forward mundane logic one frequently comes to the wrong conclusion regarding the Absolute Truth, and as a result of such a conclusion one may fall down to accept a body like that of a jackal.
Cc. Adi-lila : Adi 8: The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru : Adi 8.32 : PURPORT : rupa-raghunatha-pade haibe akuti kabe hama bujhaba se yugala-piriti : One must be a submissive student of the six Gosvāmīs, from Śrīla Rūpa Gosvāmī to Raghunātha dāsa Gosvāmī. Not following their instructions but imagining how to worship Gaurasundara and Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa is a great offense, as a result of which one clears a path to hell. If one neglects the instructions of the six Gosvāmīs and yet becomes a so-called devotee of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa, he merely criticizes the real devotees of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. As a result of speculation, he considers Gaurasundara to be an ordinary devotee and therefore cannot make progress in serving the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.
Seattle, September 25, 1968 : 680925LE.SEA :
Tad viddhi praṇipātena. If you want to understand the spiritual science, then you have to approach to a person where you can completely surrender yourself. Because everyone is proud: “Oh, who can teach me? Why shall I go to a spiritual master? I know everything.” That is the general mentality. Therefore Bhagavad-gītā gives us direction that you should go to a person where you can fully surrender. So you have to find out a bona fide spiritual master where you can surrender your pride. Then tad viddhi praṇipātena. Praṇiptena means surrender. Paripraśnena. If you find out such, if you are fortunate enough to find out some person where you can surrender, then you can put questions before him. That Sanātana Gosvāmī is putting, that “What is my position? I think that I am very learned man, I am born of very aristocratic family and so on, so on, but actually, I do not know what I am. What is my position?” This is paripraśna, inquiry. Surrender, inquiry, and sevayā. That answer should be received in service mood
Adi 15.5 purport-
Śrīla Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura says that the Lord was given lessons by a teacher named Viṣṇu and another teacher named Sudarśana. Later on, when He was a little grown up, He was under the care of Gaṅgādāsa Paṇḍita, who taught Him grammar of a higher standard. Anyone serious about studying the Sanskrit language should first learn grammar. It is said that simply to finish studying Sanskrit grammar takes at least twelve years, but once one learns the grammatical rules and regulations very nicely, all other scriptures or subject matters in Sanskrit are extremely easy to understand, for Sanskrit grammar is the gateway to education.
April 17 1970
In KRSNA chapter #87, on page 4, the last line, it is said, “known as budbuvasa, which is manifested by Govinda.” I do not know what is this editing. The correct word is Bhurbhuvasvah as it is in the Gayatri mantra and everybody knows it. This “budbuvasa” is an extraordinary word, neither it is Sanskrit nor English, so how it has avoided the vigilance of so many editors? So if none of the editors knew this word, why was it pushed? There should be no such negligences like this, nothing uncertain should be pushed. Now what other discrepancies there may be like this? Or what is the use of such editing? Everything must be done very carefully and attentively.
Sept 23 1976
My dear Rupanuga,
Please accept my blessings. I am in due receipt of your letter dated 13rd September, 1976 and have noted the contents. Regarding the editorial policy of BTG, if the editorial board is not expert enough they should be changed. Dr. O.B.L. Kapoor also had put a similar complaint. Yes, scientific articles must be published when sent by our men. I cannot see every article, but some of you should examine why nice articles are rejected. See if the board can be changed. If experienced editors are not there it will be unpopular magazine. These things are to be seen to immediately by the GBC. The board should be judged immediately and be changed if required.
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
June 22 1977-Rascal editors conversations
Prabhupāda: No? What is that? Sādhu? What is that? Munayaḥ?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Says, “sādhu—this is relevant.”
Prabhupāda: Relevant?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That’s what it’s translated as, “this is relevant.” May be a mistake.
Devotee (1): It’s a mistake.
Prabhupāda: Munayaḥ?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: “Munayaḥ—of the sages; sādhu—this is relevant…”
Prabhupāda: The nonsense, they are… They are correcting my trans… Rascal. Who has done this? Munayaḥ is addressing all these munis.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Sādhu means they are very pure. What can be done if it goes there and these rascals becomes Sanskrit scholar and do everything nonsense? One Sanskrit scholar strayed, that rascal… He take… What is his…? Śacī-suta? Śacī-sandana?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya-śacīnandana?
Prabhupāda: And they are maintaining them. Different meaning.
Prabhupāda: Now here is “O sages,” and the word meaning is “of the munis.” Just see. Such a rascal Sanskrit scholar. Here it is addressed, sambodhana, and they touch(?) it—”munayaḥ—of the munis.” It is very risky to give to them for editorial direction. Little learning is dangerous. However proper Sanskrit scholar, little learning, dangerous. Immediately they become very big scholars, high salaried, and write all nonsense. Who they are?
Prabhupāda: No, they cannot be reliable. They can do more harm. Just see here
Prabhupāda: So how they can be reliable, so-called, this way…? (background whispering) Hm?
Yaśodā-nandana: In the Gurukula we were teaching Īśopaniṣad class to the children. So we took… [break] …Prabhupāda and the words which the recent edition of the Press is wrong. Many changes were brought. They were trying to make better English, but sometimes, to make better English, I think they were making philosophical mistakes also. There is no so much need of making so much better English. Your English is sufficient. It is very clear, very simple. We have caught over 125 changes. They’re changing so many things. We are wondering if this is necessary. I will show you today. I have kept the book.
Prabhupāda: I know that these rascals are doing. What can be done? How they can be relied on?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It’s not the responsibility of the BBT trustee, to see these things don’t change without Prabhupāda’s sanction?
Prabhupāda: And Rāmeśvara is indulging this. The great rascal is that Jagannātha? He’s there in Los Angeles.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jagannātha dāsa?
Prabhupāda: Maybe.
Indian devotee (2): Jagannātha-suta.
Prabhupāda: Jagannātha-suta.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No…
Prabhupāda: And the one rascal is gone.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nitāi.
Prabhupāda: It is starting. What can I do? These cannot… These rascals cannot be educated. Dangerous. Little learning, dangerous. So how to correct? The leader of these dangerous-Rādhā-vallabha.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rādhā-vallabha?
Prabhupāda: Hm. He’s a dangerous, who maintains these rascal with this work. He’ll always have questions and alteration. That is his business. That is American business. They take that always. What can I do? Ultimate, it goes for editorial. They make changes, such changes.
Prabhupāda: So you… What you are going… It is very serious situation. You write one letter that “Why you have made so many changes?” And whom to write? Who will care? All rascals are there. Write to Satsvarūpa that “This is the position. They are doing anything and everything at their whim.” The next printing should be again to the original way.
Conclusions — The above letters and conversations have been put in this article to show how serious is Prabhupadas words and how and why the Acarya’s bhasyas should NEVER be changed-EVER. They should remain like etched in granite stone.
First of all it takes 12 years to become proficient at just the grammar aspect of sanskrit. Who in iskcon at that time knew anything about sanskrit? So some studied a little, became a little adept at handling this foreign language, at least enough to be able to read it (somewhat) and then were told by Srila Prabhupada to start the work.
When the complaints started coming to Prabhupada from scholars, personal friends of his, professors, who bought the book sets, and devotees alike, he began to see the bad picture emerging about how his books were being mangled by neophytes.
And now some 45 years later, what have these upstarts done to his original books? They continued to completely change as much as they can, as often as they can and became so arrogant that nobody today can tell any of them anything.
So the best thing at this point in time is to find the originally printed books (as he ordered) and just read those and walk away from Iskcon produced changed books.
Even from the ‘material’ perspective, it is illegal to Edit/Change a writer’s works without their permission or after they have passed away. The gbc got around this in their court case to illegally secure the BBT Copyrights to all of Srila Prabhupada’s literature and ‘transfer’ them to their own registered BBT-I Corporation, of which they were self-appointed Directors, not Trustees!
This was done by claiming in their court legal documents, that Prabhupada was only a “worker for hire”, ‘employed’ by the Iskcon/BBT. Read it yourself what ISKCON said .. http://hansadutta.com/DOWNLOADS/BBTIvHK-interr.pdf
RE: Jayadvaita’s illegal editing (changes)..
“ISKCON and BBTI applied to the court to declare that Srila Prabhupada’s BBT never existed or in the alternative that it was legally invalid and that the trustees appointed by Srila Prabhupada were never trustees. They argued that the BBT never held the copyrights because Srila Prabhupada never owned them in the first place – ISKCON owned the copyrights because the books Srila Prabhupada produced were “works for hire”; in other words, calling Srila Prabhupada a hired worker of ISKCON.
In sworn court documents, each and every GBC member and temple president was named as witness to this testimony – and you were at the time more than this; you were calling yourself a “BBT Trustee”, representing BBTI, so you cannot say that you had no knowledge of this unspeakable offence to Srila Prabhupada. What have you done to Srila Prabhupada and to his books and to his BBT? ISKCON and BBTI tried to stop the heartbeat of Srila Prabhupada, and you were personally party to this. Moreover, in undertaking to revise his books, making so many unauthorized changes, you have undermined the integrity and authority of his books.”
“An author may also not have rights when working under contract that they would otherwise have, such as when creating a ‘work for hire’ (e.g., hired to write a city tour guide by a municipal government that totally owns the copyright to the finished work)”…..So this is the status they effectively reduced Srila Prabhupada down to, maybe hired to write a ‘city tour guide’.
RE: ‘WORK FOR HIRE’
In the copyright law of the United States, a work made for hire (work for hire or WFH) is a work subject to copyright that is created by an employee as part of their job, or some limited types of works for which all parties agree in writing to the WFH designation.
Work for hire is a statutorily defined term (17 U.S.C. § 101), so a work for hire is not created merely because parties to an agreement state that the work is a work for hire. It is an exception to the general rule that the person who actually creates a work is the legally recognized author of that work.
According to copyright law in the United States and certain other copyright jurisdictions, if a work is “made for hire”, the employer—not the employee—is considered the legal author. In some countries, this is known as corporate authorship. The entity serving as an employer may be a corporation or other legal entity, an organization, or an individual.
Yfs, Balaram das.
Pamho agtacbsp, the evil play in the own house in this material world so we are not surprised to see the evil took over iskcon bbt founder acharya HDG ACBSP,we can’t trust to bbt anymore because became polluted by evil but we still trust to SRILA PRABHUPDA as the only leader of the HARE KRISHNA movement, before was in saguna and now is nirguna but only HIM could lead them,that means there are not other pure leader as SRILA PRABHUPADA yet ,therefore they can create more trouble only I mean more they move in the wrong truck and more they get trapped in maya net ,anyway hope f-iskcon turn back to our guru maharaj by getting more troubles after all this is the world of fools donkey pig dog ……agtacbsp ys haribol
So, where are the daily or weekly on line or off line Gita classes? I would like to attend. That is the best counter offensive to bogus books.
Where are the teachers? Better to emphasize what is legal than to emphasize what is not.,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN_5p-JKJCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUitBjDJBmk
Pamho agtacbsp, SRI KRSNA BHAGAVAT is KRSNA tv bhagavan svayam, bhagavan can be any great personality but BHAGAVAT is used for KRSNA only used to say SRILA PRABHUPADA,anyway these are real criminals because they don’t care to all the suffering stored for such criminals who changed the spiritual message given by a pure devotee as HDG ACBSP,Someone must stop this crazy people before they destroy all the pure spiritual work of our guru maharaj, this people should not be allowed to do this to bhaktivedanta book trust ,this is the material world where everything change constantly we just do a good smile to the bad material sort by keeping chanting hare Krishna. Agtacbsp ys haribol