SRILA PRABHUPADA KINDLY EXPLAINS-WHO IS THE BONA FIDE GURU
Nov 11 1975 Bombay
Devotee (3): The vision of the eyes is imperfect. We have to see by intelligence, from the authority…
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not intelligence; that is fact. Intelligence you should have that “However I can perceive by the senses, the senses being imperfect, all our perceptions are imperfect.” That is intelligence.
Devotee (3): :Then one may ask, “Well, how do I recognize that this is the bona fide authority?”
Prabhupāda: :Who authorized? Another rascal, that’s all. He’s a rascal. Another rascal… Just like sva-vid-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [SB 2.3.19]. A lion is being praised by the rabbit in the jungle. The rabbit is also animal; lion is also. So what is the use of lion being praised by a rabbit? If a lion is praised by a rabbit, does it mean lion is more than animal? So similarly, these so-called scientists, big men, they are being praised by small rascals. That does not mean on account of praising, he has become more than animal. He remains animal.
Devotee (3): :We see Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but they see Him as a common man like themselves also.
Prabhupāda: :Therefore they are mūḍhas. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ. Only the mūḍhas can deride. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritaḥ [Bg. 9.11]. It is stated already.
Devotee (3): :Then how is it that some people do finally come to accept Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They come in the paramparā system, through guru. Tad-vijānārtham sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Therefore you have to go to guru to understand. You cannot understand personally. That is not possible. Therefore our system is to see through the guru and śāstra, not by these naked eyes. That is misleading.
Devotee (3): Then the key would be to recognize and appreciate the importance of the guru.
Prabhupāda: Parampara. Guru is also not authority by himself. He is authority by his guru, paramparā. If he is coming in the paramparā system, then he is guru. Otherwise he’s not guru. Just like what we are doing? We are simply repeating the Kṛṣṇa’s word. That’s all. Therefore guru. And as soon as I make addition or alteration, I am goru (ass)
May 28 1968
In the absolute world there is no distinction as me, or he, and I. Krishna and His representative is the same. Just like Krishna can be present simultaneously in millions of places. Similarly, the Spiritual Master also can be present wherever the disciple wants. A Spiritual Master is the principle, not the body. Just like a television can be seen in thousands of places by the principle of relay monitoring.
SB 4.18.5–A foolish person who manufactures his own ways and means through mental speculation and does not recognize the authority of the sages who lay down unimpeachable directions is simply unsuccessful again and again in his attempts.
PURPORT — At the present moment it has become fashionable to disobey the unimpeachable directions given by the ācāryas and liberated souls of the past. Presently people are so fallen that they cannot distinguish between a liberated soul and a conditioned soul. A conditioned soul is hampered by four defects: he is sure to commit mistakes, he is sure to become illusioned, he has a tendency to cheat others, and his senses are imperfect. Consequently we have to take direction from liberated persons. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement directly receives instructions from the Supreme Personality of Godhead via persons who are strictly following His instructions. Although a follower may not be a liberated person, if he follows the supreme, liberated Personality of Godhead, his actions are naturally liberated from the contamination of the material nature. Lord Caitanya therefore says: “By My order you may become a spiritual master.” One can immediately become a spiritual master by having full faith in the transcendental words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and by following His instructions. Materialistic men are not interested in taking directions from a liberated person, but they are very much interested in their own concocted ideas, which make them repeatedly fail in their attempts. Because the entire world (and this includes iskcon) is now following the imperfect directions of conditioned souls, humanity is completely bewildered.
—
Srila Prabhupāda explains importance of guru param para — otherwise “all our perceptions are imperfect”
Nov 11 1975 Bombay
Devotee (3): [break] You were speaking about the blind person who is thinking that he can see. He is in illusion. How can we best convince him that he is not able to see?
Prabhupāda: You have to convince him that “Your eyes are imperfect.” Then you can tell, “Just close your eyes. Can you see the eyelid? It closes, but you cannot see. Why? You have got eyes. When there is some particle in the eye, so close and find out where is the particle. Why making this way, this way, this way? So what is the value of your eyes? This is the proof. You cannot see even your eyelids. So why do… Why you are so much proud of seeing?” Is it not?
Devotee (3): Yes.
Prabhupāda: This is conviction. He can say that “I cannot see on account of distant place, the planet,” but you see the nearest. So you cannot see distant place things and you cannot see nearest. Then what is the value of your eyes? That means you can see only under certain condition. So condition is offered by somebody else. Therefore you are conditioned. Your seeing is conditioned, because it is not absolute. So how do you believe your eyes? Hm?
Devotee (3): The vision of the eyes is imperfect. We have to see by intelligence, from the authority…
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is not intelligence; that is fact. Intelligence you should have that “However I can perceive by the senses, the senses being imperfect, all our perceptions are imperfect.” That is intelligence.
Devotee (3): :Then one may ask, “Well, how do I recognize that this is the bona fide authority?”
Prabhupāda: :Who authorized? Another rascal, that’s all. He’s a rascal. Another rascal… Just like sva-vid-varāhoṣṭra-kharaiḥ saṁstutaḥ puruṣaḥ paśuḥ [SB 2.3.19]. A lion is being praised by the rabbit in the jungle. The rabbit is also animal; lion is also. So what is the use of lion being praised by a rabbit? If a lion is praised by a rabbit, does it mean lion is more than animal? So similarly, these so-called scientists, big men, they are being praised by small rascals. That does not mean on account of praising, he has become more than animal. He remains animal.
Devotee (3): :We see Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but they see Him as a common man like themselves also.
Prabhupāda: :Therefore they are mūḍhas. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ. Only the mūḍhas can deride. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritaḥ [Bg. 9.11]. It is stated already.
Devotee (3): :Then how is it that some people do finally come to accept Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Yes. They come in the paramparā system, through guru. Tad-vijñānārtham sa gurum evābhigacchet [MU 1.2.12]. Therefore you have to go to guru to understand. You cannot understand personally. That is not possible. Therefore our system is to see through the guru and śāstra, not by these naked eyes. That is misleading.
Devotee (3): Then the key would be to recognize and appreciate the importance of the guru.
Prabhupāda: Parampara. Guru is also not authority by himself. He is authority by his guru, paramparā. If he is coming in the paramparā system, then he is guru. Otherwise he’s not guru. Just like what we are doing? We are simply repeating the Kṛṣṇa’s word. That’s all. Therefore guru. And as soon as I make addition or alteration, I am goru
Devotee: Goru means?
Prabhupāda: Goru means cow, animal. Go-kharaḥ. Sa eva go-kharaḥ [SB 10.84.13]. The go-kharaḥ, these animals have been, I mean, exemplified because these two animals work for others very heavily. The bull also loads heavily, and the ass also loads very heavily for others, not for his own benefit. The bull is working day and night and being whipped… (end) (bombay/november/11/1975)
Some Conclusions — Today it has become fashionable and commonplace to disobey or disbelieve in the bona fide gurus instructions. And even if someone repeats verbatim his instructions, still they wont believe you or will argue with you. This is yet only one symptom of this degraded age of quarrel and hypocrisy.
SB 4.18.5—A foolish person who manufactures his own ways and means through mental speculation and does not recognize the authority of the sages who lay down unimpeachable directions is simply unsuccessful again and again in his attempts.
PURPORT-At the present moment it has become fashionable to disobey the unimpeachable directions given by the ācāryas and liberated souls of the past. Presently people are so fallen that they cannot distinguish between a liberated soul and a conditioned soul. A conditioned soul is hampered by four defects: he is sure to commit mistakes, he is sure to become illusioned, he has a tendency to cheat others, and his senses are imperfect. Consequently we have to take direction from liberated persons. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement directly receives instructions from the Supreme Personality of Godhead via persons who are strictly following His instructions. Although a follower may not be a liberated person, if he follows the supreme, liberated Personality of Godhead, his actions are naturally liberated from the contamination of the material nature. Lord Caitanya therefore says: “By My order you may become a spiritual master.” One can immediately become a spiritual master by having full faith in the transcendental words of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and by following His instructions. Materialistic men are not interested in taking directions from a liberated person, but they are very much interested in their own concocted ideas, which make them repeatedly fail in their attempts. Because the entire world is now following the imperfect directions of conditioned souls, humanity is completely bewildered.
ISK’CONS PERVERTED HOMOSEX MURDER CONDITIONED SOUL GURUS
SO MANY HAVE PROCLAIMED THEMSELVES ACHARYAS OR VAISNAVACHARYA … BUT THEY DO NOT MATCH AT ALL THE CRITERIAS OF ONE BEING AN UTTAMA ADHIKARI AND RESIDENT OF THE SPIRITUAL SKY / PLANETS / VAIKUNTHA OR GOLOKA-VRINDAAVANA…!!!!!!
Nectar Of Instruction, Text 5 purport
“In this verse Srila Rupa Gosvami advises the devotee to be intelligent enough to distinguish between the kanishtha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The devotee should also know his own position and should not try to imitate a devotee situated on a higher platform … ONE SHOULD NOT BECOME A SPIRITUAL MASTER UNLESS HE HAS ATTAINED THE PLATFORM OF UTTAMA ADHIKARI.
“A neophyte Vaishnava or a Vaishnava situated on the intermediate platform can also accept disciples, but such disciples must be on the same platform, and it should be understood that they CANNOT advance very well toward the ultimate goal of life under his insufficient guidance….
“THEREFORE A DISCIPLE SHOULD BE CAREFUL TO ACCEPT AN UTTAMA-ADHIKARI AS A SPIRITUAL MASTER“.
It’s very important to note that Srila Prabhupada has concluded his last sentence in the above Nectar of Instruction purport with the word “THEREFORE.” Srila Prabhupada gives His definition of the word “therefore.”
In a Srimad Bhagavatam class in Los Angeles on August 25th, 1972:
” …Therefore. The word is “therefore.” “Therefore” means after concluding something, then we say “therefore.” When we talk, when we argue, when we come to the conclusion, then we say “therefore.” Or when our argument is strong, then we say “therefore.” So this “therefore” means that one is firmly convinced.”
“So we have to follow the acarya. Then, when we are completely, cent per cent follower of acarya, then you can also act as acarya. This is the process. DONT BECOME PREMATURE ACARYA. First of all follow the orders of acarya, and you become mature. Then it is better to become acarya.” “So there will be no scarcity of acarya, and people will understand Krishna consciousness very easily. So make that organization. Don’t be falsely puffed up. Follow the acarya’s instruction and try to make yourself perfect, MATURE. Then it will be very easy to fight out maya.”
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta, Adi-lila 1.13 — Mayapur, April 6, 1975
“The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class.” (Madhya 24.330)
“WHEN ONE HAS ATTAINED THE TOPMOST POSITION OF MAHA BHAGAVATA he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF GURU.” (Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 24.331)
“That is a fact. A SPIRITUAL MASTER MUST BE LIBERATED…” (Srila Prabhupada letter to Mukunda, June 10, 1969)
“Therefore, the conclusion is that a spiritual master who is one hundred percent Krsna conscious is the bona fide spiritual master, for he can solve the problems of life.” (Bhagavad-gita 2.8)
“The pure devotee is always free from the clutches of Maya and her influence.” (Srimad Bhagavatam 5.3.14)
“There is no possibility that a first class devotee will fall down.” (Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya, 22.71)
“Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, ONE CANNOT be a Spiritual Master. That is the first proposition. A layman cannot be a Spiritual Master, and if he becomes so then he will simply create disturbance […] So to summarize the whole thing, it is to be understood that a bona fide Spiritual Master is a resident of Krishna Loka.” (Srila Prabhupada Letter, June 10, 1969)
Note: by usurping (PURE Brahmana Vaisnava) Srila Prabhupada’s Diksa Guru position, by defying Srila Prabhuupada’s July 9th 1977 Ritvik ORDER the Anti Ritvik DEMONS are going to accept the bodies of serpents, insects in stool:
KB 64 The Story of King Nrga
At this time, Lord Krsna was present among His relatives who were members of the ksatriya class. To teach them through the exemplary character of King Nrga, He said: “Even though a ksatriya king may be as powerful as fire, it is not possible for him to usurp the property of a brahmana and utilize it for his own purpose. If this is so, how can ordinary kings, who falsely think of themselves the most powerful beings within the material world, usurp a brahmana’s property? I do not think that taking poison is as dangerous as taking a brahmana’s property. For ordinary poison there is treatment–one can be relieved from its effects; BUT IF ONE DRINKS THE POISON OF TAKING A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, THERE IS NO REMEDY FOR THE MISTAKE. The perfect example was King Nrga. He was very powerful and very pious, but due to the small mistake of unknowingly usurping a brahmana’s cow, he was condemned to the abominable life of a lizard. Ordinary poison affects only those who drink it, and ordinary fire can be extinguished simply by pouring water on it; but the arani fire ignited by the spiritual potency of a brahmana can burn to ashes the whole family of a person who provokes such a brahmana.” (Formerly, the brahmanas used to ignite the fire of sacrifice not with matches or any other external fire but with their powerful mantras, called arani.) “IF SOMEONE EVEN TOUCHES A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, HE IS RUINED FOR THREE GENERATIONS. HOWEVER, IF A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY IS FORCIBLY TAKEN AWAY, THE TAKER’S FAMILY FOR TEN GENERATIONS BEFORE HIM AND FOR TEN GENERATIONS AFTER HIM WILL BE SUBJECT TO RUINATION. On the other hand, if someone becomes a Vaisnava or devotee of the Lord, ten generations of his family before his birth and ten generations after will become liberated.”
Lord Krsna continued: “IF SOME FOOLISH KING WHO IS PUFFED UP BY HIS WEALTH, PRESTIGE AND POWER WANTS TO USURP A BRAHMANA’S PROPERTY, IT SHOULD BE UNDERSTOOD THAT SUCH A KING IS CLEARING HIS PATH TO HELL; HE DOES NOT KNOW HOW MUCH HE HAS TO SUFFER FOR SUCH UNWISE ACTION. IF SOMEONE TAKES AWAY THE PROPERTY OF A VERY LIBERAL BRAHMANA WHO IS ENCUMBERED BY A LARGE DEPENDENT FAMILY, THEN SUCH A USURPER IS PUT INTO THE HELL KNOWN AS KUMBHIPAKA; NOT ONLY IS HE PUT INTO THIS HELL, BUT HIS FAMILY MEMBERS ALSO HAVE TO ACCEPT SUCH A MISERABLE CONDITION OF LIFE. A PERSON WHO TAKES AWAY PROPERTY WHICH HAS EITHER BEEN AWARDED TO A BRAHMANA OR GIVEN AWAY BY HIM IS CONDEMNED TO LIVE FOR AT LEAST 60,000 YEARS AS MISERABLY AS AN INSECT IN STOOL. THEREFORE I INSTRUCT YOU, ALL MY BOYS AND RELATIVES PRESENT HERE, DO NOT, EVEN BY MISTAKE, TAKE THE POSSESSION OF A BRAHMANA AND THEREBY POLLUTE YOUR WHOLE FAMILY. IF SOMEONE EVEN WISHES TO POSSESS SUCH PROPERTY, LET ALONE ATTEMPTS TO TAKE IT AWAY BY FORCE, THE DURATION OF HIS LIFE WILL BE REDUCED. HE WILL BE DEFEATED BY HIS ENEMIES, AND AFTER BEING BEREFT OF HIS ROYAL POSITION, WHEN HE GIVES UP HIS BODY HE WILL BECOME A SERPENT. A serpant gives trouble to all other living entities. My dear boys and relatives, I therefore advise you that even if a brahmana becomes angry with you and calls you by ill names or cuts you, still you should not retaliate. On the contrary, you should smile, tolerate him and offer your respects to the brahmana. You know very well that even I Myself offer My obeisances to the brahmanas with great respect three times daily. You should therefore follow My instruction and example. I shall not forgive anyone who does not follow them, and I shall punish him. You should learn from the example of King Nrga that even if someone unknowingly usurps the property of a brahmana, he is put into a miserable condition of life.”
Thus Lord Krsna, who is always engaged in purifying the conditioned living entities, gave instruction not only to His family members and the inhabitants of Dvaraka, but to all the members of human society.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Note: Anti Ritvik demons destination:
DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
SB 6.7.14 Indra Offends His Spiritual Master, Brhaspati.
A stone boat would be unable to float and would sink in the water with its passengers. SIMILARLY, THOSE WHO MISLEAD PEOPLE GO TO HELL, AND THEIR FOLLOWERS GO WITH THEM.
72-12-14. Letter: Tusta Krsna
As for your next question, can only a few pure devotees deliver others, anyone, if he is a pure devotee he can deliver others, he can become spiritual master. But unless he on that platform he should not attempt it. THEN BOTH OF THEM WILL TO GO TO HELL, LIKE BLIND MEN LEADING THE BLIND.
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service–which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead–one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. THEY IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA–“ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA”–and Krsna’s statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, “This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession.” INSTEAD, TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO-CALLED ACARYAS, BUT THEY DO NOT EVEN FOLLOW THE PRINCIPLES OF THE ACARYAS.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. BECAUSE THERE IS NO RELIGIOUS GOVERNMENT, THEY ESCAPE PUNISHMENT BY THE LAW OF THE STATE. THEY CANNOT, HOWEVER, ESCAPE THE LAW OF THE SUPREME, WHO HAS CLEARLY DECLARED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA THAT ENVIOUS DEMONS IN THE GARB OF RELIGIOUS PROPAGANDISTS SHALL BE THROWN INTO THE DARKEST REGIONS OF HELL (BG. 16.19-20). SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
760526mw.hon Conversations
Prabhupada: Whatever it may be. Supposing it is good. BUT HE DOES NOT THINK “HOW I SHALL LIVE IN THIS WAY AND NEXT TIME I MAY BE CATS AND DOGS AND COCKROACHES. WHAT I’M DOING FOR THEM?” THEREFORE THEY WILL EVADE: “NO, NO. THERE IS NO NEXT LIFE.” BECAUSE IT IS HORRIBLE FOR THEM.
Devotee (2): Most of the karmis think that if you believe in the law of karma, it applies to you, but if you do not believe…
Prabhupada: Hmm?
Devotee (2): Most of them think that if you believe in the law of karma, it applies to you.
Prabhupada: WHEN IT IS LAW, YOU BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE, RASCAL, IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE, IF IT IS A LAW. YOU BELIEVE, I DON’T BELIEVE, IF I COMMIT THEFT I’LL NOT BE PUNISHED. SO WHAT IS YOUR BELIEF? AS SOON AS YOU COMMIT THEFT, YOU’LL BE PUNISHED. YOU BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE. THAT IS LAW. WHAT IS THE VALUE OF YOUR BELIEF? RASCAL MAY BELIEVE THAT “I’M NOT GOING TO BE OLD MAN. I SHALL REMAIN YOUNG MAN.” BELIEVE OR NOT BELIEVE, MUST BECOME OLD MAN. WHAT IS THE VALUE OF YOUR BELIEF? Trust no future. You believe or not believe, there is future. What is value of your belief? Where do you…. You have complete control? Here the law is “Keep to the right.” You don’t believe. Now “Why shall I keep to the right? I shall go to the left.” Immediately you’ll be punished. You have to believe. I’ll do wrong way, see the result. Immediately there’s ticket. So what is the value of your belief? The law is law. Ignorance is no excuse for law. You have committed something wrong, and in the court you’re going to be punished. If you say the clerk, “Sir, I did not know that by committing this act how I shall be, I will have to be punished.” That is not excuse. Your ignorance they do not believe; you must go. That is the law. It is called foolishness. “They believe,” “I think,” “It may be.” This is science. This is their proposition: “It may be,” “I think,” “I believe.” What is the value of this? And everywhere you’ll find all these philosophers, scientists,and they’ll talk like this, nonsense: “I believe,” “It may be.” Believe in the words of Krsna. But he believes himself. You see? Krsna says it is this. That he doesn’t believe. But he has become more than Krsna, he’ll believe something is correct. This is his foolishness. Mudha. You believe in the words of Krsna, who is worshiped by everyone. Hm? But you won’t. You believe in your conviction, “I believe.” So what you are? First consider in comparison to Krsna.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lectures & Classes 740604SB.GEN
Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.13.15
—
Geneva, June 4, 1974
Nitai: “As long as Vidura played the part of a sudra, being cursed by Manduka Muni, Aryama officiated at the post of Yamaraja to punish those who committed sinful acts.”
Prabhupada:
abibhrad aryama dandam
yathavad agha-karisu
yavad dadhara sudratvam
sapad varsa-satam yamah
So Vidura is Yamaraja, the superintendent of death. After our death, we are brought before the justice Yamaraja, what kind of next birth I may have. So Yamaraja is not sudra. He is devotee of Lord Krsna, although he has the duty to punish the criminals. Just like a magistrate is always punishing the criminals. That is his business, but he is not criminal. He is giving judgment to the criminals. Similarly, Yamaraja is the appointed magistrate, superintendent. After death, one has to go before him and take the judgment of his next life. This is the process.
So Vidura was cursed by Manduka Muni, Manduka Muni. He was a great sage, but sometimes in his asrama, some thieves were caught, so police arrested both the Manduka Muni and the thieves, and later on Manduka Muni was chastised to be punished by sula. There was a system of punishment. I do not whether (it is) still existing. The sula means one lance, lancer. Lancer, it is called?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupada: It was to be pierced through the rectum and it will go through the head and the man will die. The pierce was standing, and he was to sit down. What is this punishment? Is there any mention?
Pusta-krsna: I never heard of anything.
Guru-gauranga: Arabians have this. It is called pala(?).
Prabhupada: Sula punishment. So when he was condemned to the sula punishment, then the king heard that “Manduka Muni, the great sage, he is punished like that?” Immediately he stopped. “What is this nonsense that Manduka Muni has been punished? He is a great sage.” So the king stopped the punishment and immediately came to see what has happened. Then he was immediately released. But he was very sorry, that “Why the judge Yamaraja punished him like that?” So he asked Yamaraja, “Why you have punished me like this?” “Now, in your childhood you pierced the rectum of an ant with a…,” what is called?
Devotees: Pin, straw.
Prabhupada: No, not straw. Prick, pricking?
Devotee: Pin.
Prabhupada: Kanta, kanta. We say kanta, that pricks. What is called?
Devotees: Thorn.
Prabhupada: Ah, thorn, yes. So therefore he was punished. NOW JUST SEE. IN HIS CHILDHOOD HE WAS PLAYING WITH AN ANT, PIERCING THE RECTUM WITH A THORN. THAT IS ALSO TAKEN ACCOUNT, “ALL RIGHT. YOU WILL BE PUNISHED.” JUST SEE HOW FINER LAWS ARE THERE IN NATURE. SO THE MANDUKA MUNI DID THAT. THEREFORE IT WAS RECORDED HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED LIKE THAT.
THIS IS OUR POSITION. ANYTHING… IF YOU ARE WALKING ON THE STREET, IF YOU KILL AN ANT BY WALKING, YOU WILL BE PUNISHED. THIS IS NATURE’S LAW. WE ARE IN SUCH A DANGEROUS POSITION. IN EVERY MOVEMENT THERE IS PUNISHMENT. NOW, IF YOU BELIEVE THE SASTRAS, THAT IS DIFFERENT THING. IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE, THEN DO ANYTHING YOU LIKE. BUT FROM SASTRA WE CAN UNDERSTAND THE LAWS OF NATURE, OR GOD, IS VERY, VERY STRICT, VERY, VERY STRICT.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Note: these above Srila Prabhupada quotes are proof that the Anti Ritvik demons can NOT escape punishment.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Room Conversation
—
December 12, 1970, Indore
https://prabhupadabooks.com/conversations/1970/dec/indore/december/12/1970
THE PAYMENT MEANS HE IS SERVING THE MONEY, HE IS NOT SERVING THE CAUSE
Guest (4): I should like to ask one question, sir.
Prabhupāda: All right, you can ask. But kindly publish rightly. Don’t…
Guest (4): Yes, yes.
Guest (5): (unintelligible)
Prabhupāda: [break] Still you want to inquire from her?
Guest (4): From the entire business.
Prabhupāda: So you can inquire from me. In my presence, you can inquire from me.
Because, after all, they are my students, they may not be able to reply thoroughly. So if you have got any inquiries you can ask from me.
Guest (4): Yes. Yes. Mahārāja, I am a teacher of Sanskrit and English in one of the higher secondary schools here and I am very much interested…
Prabhupāda: So you join us. Simply lip sympathy will not do. Just like these boys and girls, they have joined wholeheartedly. So I do not find any Indians.
Guest (4): I am ready to join but for my family liabilities. Is there is some…?
Prabhupāda: So you can join. You are family man, so it is not that we have no family men. We have got many family men. Now, they are all family. These girls, they have got a husband. And some of them, they are living separately. Just like one of my students, Professor Howard Wheeler. He is married man. He is living separately. Not separately. He is also conducting our, one establishment, New Vrindaban. So it is not that one has to live with us. He can live separately also, but his whole life is dedicated to Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted.
Guest (4): I would like to live with you and tour with you.
Prabhupāda: So why not come and live and tour with me? Who forbids you? But it is not possible to pay anything for your family expenditure. That is difficulty. We cannot pay anything but you can live with your family. That responsibility you can take. But I cannot pay you. That’s not possible. Because we are maintaining by collecting alms. In that case it is not possible to pay something. There is… [break] It is selling all over Europe. (Hindi)
Guest (4): Mahārāja, could you employ me in some…?
Prabhupāda: Yes, employ, I can employ in any way. But there is no payment.
Guest (4): I am M.A. in English, M.A. in Hindi. I am trying to devote myself to this work…
Prabhupāda: So please come.
Guest (4): But for my family liabilities…
Prabhupāda: What amount you want for your family, minimum?
Guest (4): Five hundred a month.
Prabhupāda: That is not possible. Yes, you require five hundred. I know that. That is not much. To maintain a family nowadays five hundred rupees is not much but where is the money? How can I pay you?
Guest (4): I would be a very good asset to your publications work.
Prabhupāda: That I know. You are qualified, educated boy. You can do it. But one thing I can do, that you can live with your family just like they are living. That I can arrange. And whatever food we can provide you have to accept. We can… We can arrange for the education of your children also, everything. But we cannot pay anything. That is not possible. We can take charge of the husband and wife. We can take charge of your children. But it is not possible to pay. And besides that, when there is question of payment the service is not good because THE PAYMENT MEANS HE IS SERVING THE MONEY. HE IS NOT SERVING THE CAUSE. (tape of kīrtana plays for a second)…
*****
“OBEDIENCE IS THE FIRST PRINCIPLE.” SO IF KRSNA’S REPRESENTATIVE IS DISOBEYED-“GET OUT IMMEDIATELY.” KRSNA IS VERY STRICT…
Prabhupāda: So that is our movement. Wherever we go, we find out sincere persons, immediately attract. Yes. But if he’s not sincere, we cannot attract. If he’s sincere, immediately attract. That is the value of this movement. All my students, they were attracted only because they were sincere. Anyone sincere in seeking after the Absolute Truth will be attracted.
Guest (6): I am not getting …(unclear)
Prabhupāda: Ekāgra. Ekāgra. Yogaṁ yu�jan mad-āśrayaḥ, therefore it is said. “One has to perform this bhakti-yoga under My representative.” Mad-āśrayaḥ.
Guest (6): I am very grateful to you.
Prabhupāda: And there is Narottama dāsa Ṭhākura-Prārthanā. Āśraya laiyā bhaje, kṛṣṇa nāhi tare tyāge: “One who takes āśraya, shelter of a devotee, Kṛṣṇa does not give him up. Kṛṣṇa accepts him.” Yasya prasādād bhagavat-prasādaḥ… **. Because if that person who is giving shelter, if he’s pleased, Kṛṣṇa is immediately… If he recommends a fool, “Oh, Kṛṣṇa, here is a devotee,” Kṛṣṇa will accept immediately. It doesn’t matter whether he’s a fool or rascal. Because he is recommended by representative, he will be accepted. Yasya pra… This is the meaning of yasyaprasādad bhagavat-pra… Without his recommendation there is no entry in Kṛṣṇa’s kingdom. Yasya-prasādad nagatiḥ kuto ‘pi. If he displeases Kṛṣṇa’s representative he has no entrance to the Kṛṣṇa’s kingdom, however learned he may be or whatever he may be. Immediately rejected. In a business office, suppose a secretary is there. A CLERK DOES NOT ACCEPT THE ORDER OF THE SECRETARY. IMMEDIATELY HE SHOULD BE DISMISSED. In my personal experience, when I was young manager in a big chemical concern, one correspondent clerk, he disobeyed me. I reported to the head boss. He immediately came and he said, “Get out immediately from the office.” And he wanted to plead in so many ways. Said, “No, I don’t want. If you don’t go out, then I shall call my doorman. He will forcibly get you out. Get out.” I was sorry because this man is dismissed immediately, but he took. Disobedient… “Obedience is first discipline.” SO IF KRSNA’S REPRESENTATIVE IS DISOBEYED- ” GET OUT IMMEDIATELY.” KRSNA IS VERY STRICT…
*****
Note: these FOOLISH CONDITIONED SOUL Anti Ritvik DEMONS can NOT communicate with Lord Krsna yet want to REPLACE Srila Prabhupada with themselves as Diksa Guru. Srila Prabhupada always CONSULTED with Krsna. Srila Prabhupada could SEE and COMMUNICATE with Lord Krsna. NOT FIGURATIVELY:
Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY.
760714iv.ny
Bali-mardana: In other words, when you decide that someone is to be in charge of a particular temple does Krsna tell you that this person should be in charge.
Interviewer: Or do you by judging him say this person is qualified.
Prabhupada: YES, BECAUSE A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND HE GIVES ORDER.
Interviewer: IT’S A MORE DIRECT COMMUNICATION.
Prabhupada: YES. AND HE GIVES ORDER.
Ramesvara: Because intelligence, our philosophy is that intelligence comes from Krsna. So if I have some…
Interviewer: And your philosophy is that your daily necessities come from Krsna as well.
Ramesvara: Yes, try to understand. Suppose my intelligence sees that this person is qualified, that means Krsna has told me.
Prabhupada: NO, NOT NECESSARILY, KRSNA WILL TELL DIRECTLY. A DEVOTEE ALWAYS CONSULTS KRSNA AND KRSNA TELLS HIM, “DO LIKE THIS.” NOT FIGURATIVELY.
Interviewer: Does that apply then to other kinds of decisions and other kinds of activities as well?
Prabhupada: EVERYTHING. BECAUSE A DEVOTEE DOES NOT DO ANYTHING WITHOUT CONSULTING KRSNA.
Note: HIS DIVINE GRACE Srila Prabhupada speaks as Krsna speaks.
Antya 5.71
One is forbidden to accept the guru, or spiritual master, as an ordinary human being (gurusu nara-matih). When Ramananda Raya spoke to Pradyumna Misra, Pradyumna Misra could understand that Ramananda Raya was not an ordinary human being. A SPIRITUALLY ADVANCED PERSON WHO ACTS WITH AUTHORITY, AS THE SPIRITUAL MASTER, SPEAKS AS THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD DICTATES FROM WITHIN. THUS IT IS NOT HE THAT IS PERSONALLY SPEAKING. WHEN A PURE DEVOTEE OR SPIRITUAL MASTER SPEAKS, WHAT HE SAYS SHOULD BE ACCEPTED AS HAVING BEEN DIRECTLY SPOKEN BY THE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD IN THE PARAMPARA SYSTEM.
Note: difference is Srila Prabhupada speaks what Krsna speaks and so-called gurus have to jog the brain to give answers.
Adi 8.39 The Author Receives the Orders of Krsna and Guru
It is not possible for a common man to write books on bhakti, for his writings will not be effective. He may be a very great scholar and expert in presenting literature in flowery language, but this is not at all helpful in understanding transcendental literature. EVEN IF TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURE IS WRITTEN IN FAULTY LANGUAGE, IT IS ACCEPTABLE IF IT IS WRITTEN BY A DEVOTEE, WHEREAS SO-CALLED TRANSCENDENTAL LITERATURE WRITTEN BY A MUNDANE SCHOLAR, EVEN IF IT IS A VERY HIGHLY POLISHED LITERARY PRESENTATION, CANNOT BE ACCEPTED. THE SECRET IN A DEVOTEE’S WRITING IS THAT WHEN HE WRITES ABOUT THE PASTIMES OF THE LORD, THE LORD HELPS HIM; HE DOES NOT WRITE HIMSELF. AS STATED IN THE BHAGAVAD-GITA (10.10), DADAMI BUDDHI-YOGAM TAM YENA MAM UPAYANTI TE. SINCE A DEVOTEE WRITES IN SERVICE TO THE LORD, THE LORD FROM WITHIN GIVES HIM SO MUCH INTELLIGENCE THAT HE SITS DOWN NEAR THE LORD AND GOES ON WRITING BOOKS. KRSNADASA KAVIRAJA GOSVAMI CONFIRMS THAT WHAT VRNDAVANA DASA THAKURA WROTE WAS ACTUALLY SPOKEN BY LORD CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU, AND HE SIMPLY REPEATED IT. The same holds true for Sri Caitanya-caritamrta. Krsnadasa Kaviraja Gosvami wrote Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in his old age, in an invalid condition, but it is such a sublime scripture that Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Gosvami Maharaja used to say, “The time will come when the people of the world will learn Bengali to read Sri Caitanya-caritamrta.” We are trying to present Sri Caitanya-caritamrta in English and do not know how successful it will be, but if one reads the original Caitanya-caritamrta in Bengali he will relish increasing ecstasy in devotional service.
https://www.prabhupadanugas.eu/news/?p=41793#more-41793
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
NoD 8 Offenses to Be Avoided
The offenses against the chanting of the holy name are as follows: (3) To disobey the orders of the spiritual master.
Madhya 24.330 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Atmarama Verse
MAHA-BHAGAVATA-srestho
brahmano vai gurur nrnam
sarvesam eva lokanam
asau pujyo yatha harih
maha-kula-prasuto ‘pi
sarva-yajnesu DIKSITAH
sahasra-sakhadhyayi ca
na guruh syad avaisnavah
((The guru MUST be situated on the topmost platform of devotional service. There are three classes of devotees, and the guru MUST be accepted from the topmost class. The first-class devotee is the spiritual master for all kinds of people. ….When one has attained the topmost position of MAHA-BHAGAVATA, he is to be accepted as a guru and worshiped exactly like Hari, the Personality of Godhead. ONLY SUCH A PERSON IS ELIGIBLE TO OCCUPY THE POST OF A GURU.))
Note: The word DIKSITAH refers to Diksa and ONLY Maha Bhagavata is the one mentioned WHO give this BY DEFINITION.
75-08-04. Letter: Madhudvisa:
The GBC should all be the instructor gurus. I AM IN THE INITIATOR GURU, and you should be the instructor guru by teaching what I am teaching and doing what I am doing. This is not a title, but you must actually come to this platform. This I want.
“I AM THE SPIRITUAL MASTER OF THIS INSTITUTION, AND ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE SOCIETY, THEY’RE SUPPOSED TO BE MY DISCIPLES. They follow the rules and regulations which I ask them to follow, AND THEY ARE INITIATED BY ME SPIRITUALLY.”(Srila Prabhupada Radio Interview, 12/3/1968)
“Guru-mukha-padma-vakya, cittete koriya aikya, ara na koriho mane asa. Don’t think of any nonsense. Simply execute what your guru has said. That is success.”
(28th January, 1977, Room Conversation)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Note: FISKCON guru parampara:
FISKCON has had PSYCHOPATH gurus, rapist gurus, murderer gurus, POISON giving gurus, PAEDOPHILE gurus, homo-sex gurus, drug gurus, alcoholic gurus, thug gurus, manipulative con man gurus, embezzler gurus, book changer gurus, mad man gurus, womaniser gurus,sex-yasi gurus, sin-yasi gurus, GBC conditioned soul factory produced rubber-stamped gurus and now – FISKCON’S (FDG) PROSTITUTE “GURUS”.
Pamho agtacbsp, i agreed with HG mahesh raja nature law is very very strict therefore they can’t escape to the punishment i mean they think is a joke to be a false guru and disciple but by doing so they are making a lot of problems by making the journey of the citizens more rotten, i can see some of them get transformed in snakes as happened to king nrga because of the nasty robbery they keeping doing to our guru maharaj which is counting the offences of all these shameless donkey of f-skcon therefore they can’t escape even if they forget about the karma to pay but the karma do not forget them.play life wrongly by making it more rotten is very karmic,unfortunately this is the material world and more one forget krsna and more one has to suffer because the material world is meant to forget krsna through rotten journey because everything go wrong……agtacbsp ys haribol
Now what difference do these revelations make to humanity on the whole?
Non devotees will never understand this. If these so-called gurus are not bona fide then who do, the people go to for shelter? Srila Prabhupada of course. I must ask here “Who are the representatives of Srila Prabhupada that they can learn from and connect to? Name them, show them and their web sites so that those that are lost can take shelter and connect with Srila Prabhupada?
If not, then these disclosures are simply an exercise in false ego. I know this and I understand that. Knowing and understanding are not worth anything if that knowledge is not shared with humanity. Again, a simple exercise in false ego. This great web site is wonderful for one reason. It keeps out those who are suffering and allows those that are not to remain apart.
Pamho agtacbsp, it takes many lives to become a guru or a mukta purusa a liberated soul as HDG ACBSP and after that to see everything to get stolen by uncivilized citizens is not a nice surprise to see for nobody,normally in this age of kali devi a fool is taking for a learned man and the learned man is taking for fool, when i was living in the temple full time the f-iskcon devotees used to tell me why you don’t take initiation? They was taking me for a fool but the time is the best witness i mean they was all crying after hearing the fallen down of their kanguru in the temple room,f-iskcon so called devotees is taking advantage of the hypocrisy of kali yuga because they look clever externally but internally they are fools,we prabhupadanugas control the senses just by respecting the MAHA PRASADA OF SRILA PRABHUPADA but their karma is getting so bad because they eat just sins, SRILA PRABHUPADA give us the best way to get rid of the misery of birth and death but they got a very bad karma therefore they can’t get the prasada of SSGG, keeping going in the wrong track for more the four decade but we don’t think they can keeping going like that for longer i mean now is the time to take over f-iskcon by making justice by making SRILA PRABHUPADA the GOVERNOR of planet earth in this way ananda maya bhsyat is there with the right person for everyone. Agtacbsp ys haribol