That’s only in Kali-yuga, yes, Prabhupada?

720310RC.VRN
Room Conversation with John Griesser
(later initiated as Yadubara Dāsa)

March 10, 1972, Vṛndāvana

Yamunā: Oh, that’s chicken? Oh.
Prabhupāda: No, what is…
Yamunā: Peacock?
Prabhupāda: Peacock, yes. Yak, yak, like that. That sound he makes.
Guru dāsa: And kīrtana.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Guru dāsa: We can hear kīrtana.
Prabhupāda: Kīrtana and bell in the temple, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong, dong. This sound we will hear early in… (sound of rooster crowing in background)
Prabhupāda: In Hawaii, this disturbance is there. Always, ca-caw, caw. (laughter)
Devotee: There’s not so much at Advaita Bhavan.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee: There’s not chickens at Advaita Bhavan.
Prabhupāda: No, in neighborhood. In Hawaii, they are very much fond of. Some of them eat dogs also.
Devotee: Yes, the Filipinos eat dogs.
Prabhupāda: Filipino.
Yadubara: Chinese also sometimes.
Prabhupāda: Dog-eaters.
Yadubara: Sometimes monkeys also.
Prabhupāda: Monkey?
Yadubara: Um hm. Monkey brain. It’s very rare, but it’s done.
Prabhupāda: Chinese?
Yadubara: Chinese.
Prabhupāda: Chinese, they eat everything. (laughter) They eat rats also. Rats, snakes. They are caṇḍālas.
Yadubara: They say Chinese are very practical and that they will make use of anything.

Prabhupāda: They eat man also. Yes. There was a case in Calcutta, they were eating man. They will call a hawker, “Come in, I shall purchase.” And as soon as he enters, he never comes back. There were two hawkers. So one entered the house and other was waiting. But when he saw that he is not coming, he went to the police, that “My friend, he went but he is not coming.” The police inquired and made a search, whole house, there were so many human bones, they’re eating. Man-eater. Man-eater, in Africa there are many.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They’re called cannibals.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They’re called cannibals.
Prabhupāda: That is also. And they eat white man very… They like white.
Yadubara: In the pot.
Prabhupāda: They will mislead some white man and… In India also there is this class. In Assam side. They eat man. Man means they regularly sacrifice before the Goddess Durgā and eat. (indistinct), Rāvaṇa’s brother. The Red Indians, they also eat in America. Do they not?
Yamunā: They used to. There are no left anymore.
Prabhupāda: “Used to” means who knows what they are doing now.
Yamunā: The white men came and killed them.
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, but they kill for eating. That is…, fighting or for taking possession, killing, that is everywhere. that is not extraordinary. But killing for eating a man, that is extraordinary. (chuckles)
Devotee: That’s only in Kali-yuga, yes, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee: Only in…
Prabhupāda: No, no, all the yugas. More or less. (aside:) So when we shall have to go?
Devotee: I’ll just see if the car is here. [break]
Prabhupāda: …take away Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma. The Japanese, they also eat everything? No.
Devotee: Not now.
Prabhupāda: Some of them?
Devotee: In times of war, I think all people…
Prabhupāda: That is another thing, but generally.
Devotee: No, they don’t. In China, the island of Taiwan, the original inhabitants, they were known as man-eaters.
Prabhupāda: Man-eaters?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So this Calcutta story is not a story, it is fact. Hm?
Guru dāsa: I was asking Yamunā about the tape.
Prabhupāda: Tape?
Guru dāsa: About this tape recording.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is not the question of “the Chinese are eating, I am not eating.” It is a question that how many number of different types of body I got. It is not that I am talking of Chinaman eating man or dog. I may be in this form, next life. So, therefore, the problem is how to stop this transmigration of the soul. That is the problem. Not that because the Chinese man eats something else other than I eat, that does not mean that I am very much… [break] Therefore, we have to prepare ourself what kind of body we are going to have next. That is human civilization. But they do not believe in the transmigration of the soul. They do not believe in God. They do not believe in anything. Simply just like animals. This life—eating, sleeping, mating—do it to your best capacity. That is Kali-yuga. They have no knowledge, neither they are interested to know. Mandāḥ. And even they become little interested of spiritual…, a hodgepodge, no clear idea. Mandāḥ sumanda matayo [SB 1.1.10]. And unfortunate, harassed in every field of life. And hy upadrutāḥ. And over and above everything, they are always disturbed by external enemies. This is the position of Kali-yuga. And this life shortened, duration of life. So how they can advance by following the regular Vedic process? It is not possible. Harer nāma harer nāma harer nāma [Ādi 17.21]. No car?
Śyāmasundara: Not yet come.
Prabhupāda: When?
Śyāmasundara: He will ring as soon as it comes. He telephoned it is on its way. It should be here any moment.
Prabhupāda: They are so slow. They do not understand the spiritual value of life, and simply they are satisfied with something hodgepodge, that’s all. The entire population of the present-day world. Just like the hippies. There are so many hippies. They want something spiritual, but no clear… Something hodgepodge, that’s all.
Yadubara: Has this happened before, the material wealth that we have now? Has it happened in past ages?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Yadubara: Technological advancement, scientific?
Prabhupāda: All scientific. As this is winter season, so there will be a summer season. Anyone can say that after two months there will be summer season. Similarly, these ages are also, what is called, changing. So now it is Kali-yuga. After this Kali-yuga, there will be Satya-yuga. Cycle. So everything is happening. When there is winter season, everyone feels cold. So there is no question of asking. The particular type of age and its reaction of the quality of the nature, it will be there. So as there are many Kali-yugas, so it is to be understood that many times these things happened, and many times again will happen. Seasonal flowers, fruits. In the past, there were many times all those flowers and fruits, and in the future also they will appear. What is the difficulty to understand? But if in all these changing circumstances, if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then your position becomes transcendental. You are no more subjected to all this changing process. So that opportunity is in the human life. It doesn’t matter whether he is in the Kali-yuga or Satya-yuga. Because he has got this human form of life, he must be Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then his problem is solved. So you have to preach like this, that we are giving the best human welfare activities to utilize this human form of life.

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Comments

  1. Pamho agtacbsp,kali yuga is indeed the most strange and horrible age and the kali chela citizens of this age are even more horrible then kali devi.and the previous kali yuga were worse then this one because SRI CAITANYA MAHAPRABHU was not there we are lucky to be with SCM in this first kali yuga of the divine appearance of SCM .but the worse will come when the time of the golden age is over I mean there will start the real cannibalism because there is no yajna no water no food …..we hope to finish our spiritual business before the world become degraded like that. papamochani ekadasi ki jai agtacbsp ys haribol

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